"I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation" -Ben Carson

god1 · Sep 23, 2015

Rob Roy said:
Understanding a problem is good. However to solve a problem, requires striking the root causes rather than addressing the symptoms.

Root cause; Human behavior is a Gaussian distribution; you will eventually have to deal with the irresponsible "fuck ups" that walk among us.

Rob Roy said:
Would you admit that the present system has elements of "might makes right" baked into it and those elements are the underlying glue that maintains the present (political) systems ?

Absolutely. Is the system perfect, no; can it be improved, yes. The question should be, "why do we need it"? Answer, see "Root cause".

Bugeye · Sep 23, 2015

OddBall1st said:
So you are confused ? Your science offers only theory. The Bible was peer reviewed and has lasted thousands of years. If you want me to believe it was written by a bunch of liars,...you are gonna need more than,..."you say so".

I`ve got witness records that were peer reviewed and stand the ultimate test of time, you got ...."they say so"...."it could be",...maybe if".....

1,...you will live,...1,...you will die,....1,.... you will finally know,.......1+1+1= truth. Just prove that right there to be false Mr. Science.

Is it not true that the first witness records of the Gospel were written some 100 years plus after the death of Christ? Didn't we have like 9 different witness accounts of the Gentle Giant being shot from the day he was shot? See the problem with a witness account?

Uncle Ben · Sep 23, 2015

god1 said:
Root cause; Human behavior is a Gaussian distribution; you will eventually have to deal with the irresponsible "fuck ups" that walk among us.

Funny, but that's the platform, the phrase "Let's Make America Great Again" that Trump is running on.

WeedFreak78 · Sep 23, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
Funny, but that's the platform, the phrase "Let's Make America Great Again" that Trump is running on.

Was America ever really "great" and how is it being defined? Propaganda has mostly convinced people that everything done by this country has been on the up and up and totally legit, when anyone with a little common sense knows it hasn't been. I don't want to be known as a "great nation" if it means impoverishing half the world, stealing their resources and treating them as lesser people so i can have cheap goods and maintain an "American" way of life.

ttystikk · Sep 23, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
You and your liberal friends talk shit. That's the problem.

There no doubt you do, including this post otherwise completely empty of substance.

Conservatism only works for the 1%, those who can afford to buy the policies they want.

It's time to try something different; radically, dramatically different. Bernie is less of a 'socialist' than the current republican party are FASCIST.

Uncle Ben · Sep 23, 2015

ttystikk · Sep 23, 2015

squarepush3r said:
I don't believe in climate change. As I said, this is taken out of context, if you want to find out what he meant watch the 2 minutes before this "gotchya" quote.

Then you shouldn't believe that men landed on the moon, either. Both are firmly supported by these things called 'facts'. Facts don't change because some television personality says they're 'immoral'.

Uncle Ben · Sep 23, 2015

WeedFreak78 said:
....when anyone with a little common sense knows it hasn't been. I don't want to be known as a "great nation" if it means impoverishing half the world, stealing their resources and treating them as lesser people so i can have cheap goods and maintain an "American" way of life.

Enough of this Imperalism bullshit. How are we stealing resources, impoverishing the world? That's just plain stupid. Hell, in case you've been hiding under a rock lately, most of our goods come from China....as the sonsabitches hack us to death. We buy middle east oil, trade with Mexico....it's a free market. And if it wasn't for capitalism and free enterprise, socialist nutjobs like Bernie Sanders wouldn't be able to function - take from the hard working 'haves" to give to his worthless "have nots" who voted him in.

Uncle Ben · Sep 23, 2015

ttystikk said:
Then you shouldn't believe that men landed on the moon, either. Both are firmly supported by these things called 'facts'. Facts don't change because some television personality says they're 'immoral'.

Climate models are not "facts" numbduts.

ttystikk · Sep 23, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
Climate models are not "facts" numbduts.

Well the data they're built on sure are a big pile of facts, and the computer models are very clear that nothing else fits that great big pile of facts but climate change. But hey, you go on supporting the Koch brothers. Do you get dividends from Duke Energy? Do you get a kickback from Volkswagen, seeing how they cheated on the emissions of ELEVEN MILLION CARS? I bet you'd hand them a free pass for that, wouldn't you?

Here's a good one; how about you tell me- and the rest of us here- how eleven thousand coal fired power plants and a BILLION cars worldwide somehow do NOT affect the climate? Where's your proof? Wishing really hard doesn't make it so.

Here's where your credibility goes completely down the drain.

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

WeedFreak78 said:
Peer reviewed by who? Lasted thousands of years?..maybe,but it was perverted all along the way, there is undeniable proof of that. Even the Vatican admits it was rewritten, but they use the "it was god's will" excuse to justify it. Anything governed by man will be corrupted.

It's pretty simple really..I live by the golden rule. Do unto others..served me well so far..and I'm not worried about some magic man in the sky slapping my pee pee in the afterlife if i do something "wrong".

Reviewed by other authors. It was not recorded by an individual. Nowhere in that book says the chapter before it is false or mythical. No-0ne of the days denied anything or the book would not survive.

Anything governed by man will be corrupt,...look at that, the Bible is governed by faith of God, Science is governed by man,...you said it yourself.

As for rewritten,... it has to be, or not all can read it. Show me two versions that conflict.

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

ttystikk said:
Well the data they're built on sure are a big pile of facts, and the computer models are very clear that nothing else fits that great big pile of facts but climate change. But hey, you go on supporting the Koch brothers. Do you get dividends from Duke Energy? Do you get a kickback from Volkswagen, seeing how they cheated on the emissions of ELEVEN MILLION CARS? I bet you'd hand them a free pass for that, wouldn't you?

Here's a good one; how about you tell me- and the rest of us here- how eleven thousand coal fired power plants and a BILLION cars worldwide somehow do NOT affect the climate? Where's your proof? Wishing really hard doesn't make it so.

Here's where your credibility goes completely down the drain.

Placing thermo-sensors near heated buildings to obtain climate readings,.....does not make the correct readings, but does make factual readings,.....what a fact that is....

Climate change has occurred many times, before man even ruled the Earth. Because man has sped up the processes or changed the behavior of the weather,...means nothing to Nature, and everything to man.

So what !i

Nature will thin the herd and prevail,.......again.

And you don`t like that....................

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

Bugeye said:
Is it not true that the first witness records of the Gospel were written some 100 years plus after the death of Christ? Didn't we have like 9 different witness accounts of the Gentle Giant being shot from the day he was shot? See the problem with a witness account?

That`s why you can safely say the Bible is peer reviewed and will stand the test of time.

Science can be altered and misunderstood, false data can be turned to fact. At one time science thought the world was flat and the sun and moon traveled around it. Science has many variables. See the problem with science ??

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

There are no variables in the Bible that I remember.

Bugeye · Sep 23, 2015

OddBall1st said:
That`s why you can safely say the Bible is peer reviewed and will stand the test of time.

Science can be altered and misunderstood, false data can be turned to fact. At one time science thought the world was flat and the sun and moon traveled around it. Science has many variables. See the problem with science ??

No, I don't see a problem with a field of study that is always testing itself and revising theories based on new evidence. Real science is meant to be challenged. There is a shitload of scripture that did not get included in the bible because the bearded men did not find it consistent with what they wanted to be in there. What you call peer review I call covering their asses.

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

Bugeye said:
No, I don't see a problem with a field of study that is always testing itself and revising theories based on new evidence. Real science is meant to be challenged. There is a shitload of scripture that did not get included in the bible because the bearded men did not find it consistent with what they wanted to be in there. What you call peer review I call covering their asses.

Actual Faith is created to be a challenge. Faith does not cost you anything. Faith can be done at will by anyone.

Where are facts in relation to revising theory`s ? You cannot revise a fact,.....can you ?

Bugeye · Sep 23, 2015

OddBall1st said:
Actual Faith is created to be a challenge. Faith does not cost you anything. Faith can be done at will by anyone.

Where are facts in relation to revising theory`s ? You cannot revise a fact,.....can you ?

Well...Pluto was once considered a planet (a fact), then it wasn't (a fact), and now it might be again. So if a fact does not hold up to scrutiny, it can and does get revised.

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

About those two versions of the bible that conflict,....Any whereabouts on that yet ?

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

Bugeye said:
Well...Pluto was once considered a planet (a fact), then it wasn't (a fact), and now it might be again. So if a fact does not hold up to scrutiny, it can and does get revised.

Now try and revise Faith.

OddBall1st · Sep 23, 2015

You would need to be there to change the witness records of accounts. Science has not figured out how to do that yet,....because that very book say you wont. And we haven`t. So we will not. Those are facts, non revisable.

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