Fogdog
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What? And waste the opportunity to harvest stem cells?
Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?
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that's two different subjects..you seem triggered.
You say "even" like it's something super clear. I'd say that's a very philosophical question and it's extremely unclear, but I'll certainly listen to your take if you wanted to present it.
CatHedral
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Specific link please
Otherwise you’re just another “do your research” troll.
CatHedral
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We may have to Wade the last hundred yards
Wattzzup
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By religious do you mean slave owners?
Maybe “God” told them to own slaves? Doesn’t the thought of owning slaves, therefore mean your religion is bullshit? Also nice to see you finally put your sock account to good use after 6 years.
hanimmal
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That is the part you are missing maybe. There is nothing that has been 'sprung'.
That is why I would point out that nobody is murdering babies.
CunningCanuk
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James Madison was a God?
CunningCanuk
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They also owned slaves. I guess you’re okay with that too.
injinji
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A couple of thoughts.
In my view the highlands gorilla is the best mother of all the primates. She will raise one child to sexual maturity before she gets pregnant again. (even though all the higher primates have a 28 day menstrual cycle and has an opportunity each moon cycle to get pregnant) They never favor one child over another. Even the highlands gorilla will kill her offspring if her life is in danger. And if the highlands gorilla will do it, there is no way we can get humans to stop. No matter what the laws are.
Speaking of God writing things, years ago I was trying to explain to Cousin Wayne that the ten commandments and bible was written by men. He was quick to tell me he had seen the movie The Ten Commandments, that he knew what had happened. That he didn't need my input. I never mentioned it again. Wayne had a lot of problems, but self doubt wasn't one of them.
In my view the highlands gorilla is the best mother of all the primates. She will raise one child to sexual maturity before she gets pregnant again. (even though all the higher primates have a 28 day menstrual cycle and has an opportunity each moon cycle to get pregnant) They never favor one child over another. Even the highlands gorilla will kill her offspring if her life is in danger. And if the highlands gorilla will do it, there is no way we can get humans to stop. No matter what the laws are.
Speaking of God writing things, years ago I was trying to explain to Cousin Wayne that the ten commandments and bible was written by men. He was quick to tell me he had seen the movie The Ten Commandments, that he knew what had happened. That he didn't need my input. I never mentioned it again. Wayne had a lot of problems, but self doubt wasn't one of them.
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Texas governor signs more abortion restrictions into law
Senate Bill 4 — which the Texas Legislature approved during the special session that ended on Sept. 2 — bans the use of abortion-inducing drugs in the state seven weeks into a pregnancy, according to The Dallas Morning News.
The bill also allows people who “intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly” breach the law to be criminally charged, according to The Dallas Morning News. The penalty for such an action would be a state jail felony, which comes with fines of up to $10,000 and between 180 days and two years in prison. The law takes effect in December.
A doctor in Texas who admitted to performing an abortion that was in violation of the fetal heartbeat bill was sued on Monday, marking the first legal action that will test the constitutionality of the restrictive, controversial measure.
Alan Braid, a San Antonio physician, said he performed the abortion five days after the law went into effect because he believed he had “a duty of care to this patient.”
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Senate Bill 4 — which the Texas Legislature approved during the special session that ended on Sept. 2 — bans the use of abortion-inducing drugs in the state seven weeks into a pregnancy, according to The Dallas Morning News.
The bill also allows people who “intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly” breach the law to be criminally charged, according to The Dallas Morning News. The penalty for such an action would be a state jail felony, which comes with fines of up to $10,000 and between 180 days and two years in prison. The law takes effect in December.
A doctor in Texas who admitted to performing an abortion that was in violation of the fetal heartbeat bill was sued on Monday, marking the first legal action that will test the constitutionality of the restrictive, controversial measure.
Alan Braid, a San Antonio physician, said he performed the abortion five days after the law went into effect because he believed he had “a duty of care to this patient.”
Texas governor signs more abortion restrictions into law
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) last week signed a new abortion bill into law, further restricting access to the procedure in the state.Senate Bill 4 — which the Texas Legislature approved during the sp…
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injinji
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Texas governor signs more abortion restrictions into law
Senate Bill 4 — which the Texas Legislature approved during the special session that ended on Sept. 2 — bans the use of abortion-inducing drugs in the state seven weeks into a pregnancy, according to The Dallas Morning News.
The bill also allows people who “intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly” breach the law to be criminally charged, according to The Dallas Morning News. The penalty for such an action would be a state jail felony, which comes with fines of up to $10,000 and between 180 days and two years in prison. The law takes effect in December.
A doctor in Texas who admitted to performing an abortion that was in violation of the fetal heartbeat bill was sued on Monday, marking the first legal action that will test the constitutionality of the restrictive, controversial measure.
Alan Braid, a San Antonio physician, said he performed the abortion five days after the law went into effect because he believed he had “a duty of care to this patient.”
Texas governor signs more abortion restrictions into law
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) last week signed a new abortion bill into law, further restricting access to the procedure in the state.Senate Bill 4 — which the Texas Legislature approved during the sp…
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Got to get that white population up.
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Judge questions private enforcement of Texas abortion law
A federal judge questioned Texas' recently-enacted law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy as the state clashed with the federal government in court Friday over the Justice Department's effort to block the measure.
U.S. District Court Judge Robert Pitman gave few signs during a Friday hearing about how he might rule, but at one point questioned the Texas legislature's novel approach of relying on private enforcement of the ban, which the Justice Department has called a "scheme to nullify the Constitution of the United States."
"I guess my obvious question to you is if the state is so confident in the constitutionality of the limitations on women's access to abortion, then why did you go to such great lengths to create this very unusual private cause of action rather than just simply doing it directly?" said Pitman, who was appointed by former President Obama.
Because of the way the bill was designed, state officials do not enforce the ban on abortions after six weeks; that role is left to private parties who bring civil suits in state court.
The law, which went into effect a month ago, allows people to sue not just abortion providers but also anyone who aids people in getting an abortion. That could include those who transport patients to prohibited procedures. Successful plaintiffs can be awarded up to $10,000 in cases against illegal abortions, a regime that critics have likened to bounties for impeding a constitutional right to an abortion.
That regime of private enforcement has thrown up procedural obstacles to the administration's legal challenge.
Brian Netter, the deputy assistant attorney general leading the DOJ's Federal Programs Bench, argued on Friday that the law's design was a naked attempt at skirting judicial review and called it an "open threat to the rule of law."
"Texas has made clear it does not want to follow the Supreme Court's precedents on abortion," Netter said.
Texas is arguing that the Justice Department cannot bring the lawsuit in part because there are no state entities who could be subject to a court order blocking the ban.
"There is no public official who enforces the Texas Heartbeat Act," Will Thompson, a lawyer with the Texas attorney general's office, said during the hearing.
Thompson argued that the administration was resorting to "hyperbole and inflammatory rhetoric" to try and cast doubt on the legitimacy of the law.
The Justice Department argues that a federal judge could block the state court system from enforcing the law, known as SB 8.
"If you look at each individual component of SB 8, they are all a piece of the puzzle, and the puzzle is designed unambiguously to create an array, to create a system and a picture where women trying to obtain an abortion – prior to viability, after six weeks, something that is clearly protected under the Supreme Court's binding precedents – they simply can't accomplish that goal because of the state action that erected those barriers," Netter said.
The state law is facing several legal challenges. Abortion providers had tried to get the ban blocked before it went into effect in a case that went before the Supreme Court.
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A federal judge questioned Texas' recently-enacted law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy as the state clashed with the federal government in court Friday over the Justice Department's effort to block the measure.
U.S. District Court Judge Robert Pitman gave few signs during a Friday hearing about how he might rule, but at one point questioned the Texas legislature's novel approach of relying on private enforcement of the ban, which the Justice Department has called a "scheme to nullify the Constitution of the United States."
"I guess my obvious question to you is if the state is so confident in the constitutionality of the limitations on women's access to abortion, then why did you go to such great lengths to create this very unusual private cause of action rather than just simply doing it directly?" said Pitman, who was appointed by former President Obama.
Because of the way the bill was designed, state officials do not enforce the ban on abortions after six weeks; that role is left to private parties who bring civil suits in state court.
The law, which went into effect a month ago, allows people to sue not just abortion providers but also anyone who aids people in getting an abortion. That could include those who transport patients to prohibited procedures. Successful plaintiffs can be awarded up to $10,000 in cases against illegal abortions, a regime that critics have likened to bounties for impeding a constitutional right to an abortion.
That regime of private enforcement has thrown up procedural obstacles to the administration's legal challenge.
Brian Netter, the deputy assistant attorney general leading the DOJ's Federal Programs Bench, argued on Friday that the law's design was a naked attempt at skirting judicial review and called it an "open threat to the rule of law."
"Texas has made clear it does not want to follow the Supreme Court's precedents on abortion," Netter said.
Texas is arguing that the Justice Department cannot bring the lawsuit in part because there are no state entities who could be subject to a court order blocking the ban.
"There is no public official who enforces the Texas Heartbeat Act," Will Thompson, a lawyer with the Texas attorney general's office, said during the hearing.
Thompson argued that the administration was resorting to "hyperbole and inflammatory rhetoric" to try and cast doubt on the legitimacy of the law.
The Justice Department argues that a federal judge could block the state court system from enforcing the law, known as SB 8.
"If you look at each individual component of SB 8, they are all a piece of the puzzle, and the puzzle is designed unambiguously to create an array, to create a system and a picture where women trying to obtain an abortion – prior to viability, after six weeks, something that is clearly protected under the Supreme Court's binding precedents – they simply can't accomplish that goal because of the state action that erected those barriers," Netter said.
The state law is facing several legal challenges. Abortion providers had tried to get the ban blocked before it went into effect in a case that went before the Supreme Court.
Judge questions private enforcement of Texas abortion law
A federal judge questioned Texas’s recently enacted law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy as the state clashed with the federal government in court Friday over the Justice D…
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Thousands take to the streets in Washington, Texas to protest restrictive abortion laws
Thousands rallied in Washington, D.C.; Austin, Texas; and cities around the nation Saturday morning to protest against recent legislative efforts to restrict access to abortion, which has become the biggest threat to Roe v. Wade in decades.
The march in Washington, which concluded at the Supreme Court, comes before the high court convenes on Monday.
The court is slated to hear the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case on a Mississippi abortion ban, which blocks the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
“No matter where you live, no matter where you are, this fight is at your doorstep,” said Planned Parenthood CEO Alexis McGill Johnson, speaking at the D.C. march.
Protesters in the nation’s capital were vocal about their stance, with many carrying signs and wearing costumes honoring the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
“We just think that we can’t expect change or people to not feel like it’s OK to infringe on our rights if we don’t show and show them that it’s not okay,” said Dawn Corporan, who traveled to the D.C. march from Suffolk, Va.
While the march in D.C. was smaller than the march after former President Trump’s inauguration in 2017, thousands still lined the streets to demonstrate, traveling from near and far.
“We’ve got to support, man,” said Susan Baxter, who traveled from Silicon Valley and represented doctor- led and female-founded birth control company Pandia Health. “That’s one of the reasons why the company was started, so that women have a choice.”
More than 600 sister marches simultaneously took place across the country, a testament to the reach of the Women’s March.
At the Texas State Capitol in Austin, which has become the epicenter of the abortion rights debate, organizers announced an estimated 35,000 protesters had showed up to cheer a three-hour speaker lineup that included former Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards and former Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis (D).
Many slammed Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who signed legislation into law this summer that makes abortion illegal approximately six weeks after conception, a time before many people even know they are pregnant.
It also allows private citizens to sue abortion providers and other individuals who “aid and abet” a person’s abortion.
“Gov. Greg Abbott and Republicans in the legislature put their own political ambitions ahead of the people of this state and Greg Abbott traded away the health and wellbeing of our state for crass partisan politics,” Richards told the crowd.
Davis, who famously spoke for almost 12 hours on the Texas Senate floor in 2013 to prevent passage of a previous bill aimed at restricting abortion access, vowed to not give up the fight.
“We are powerful, we are indefatigable, and for our daughters, our granddaughters, our trans and nonbinary friends, we are not stopping,” Davis said.
Abbott has defended the law, saying that the ban allows victims of rape up to six weeks to get an abortion and pledged to “eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas.”
Women of all ages spoke at the Austin march, including doctors who discussed difficult recent conversations they had been forced to have with pregnant people since the Texas law went into effect on Sept. 1.
“She cried in my office and said, ‘I can’t eat, I can’t sleep … why will no one help me,’ ” Vanessa Yium, an OB-GYN based in Austin, recounted of a conversation with a patient looking to have an abortion past six weeks due to the fetus having a terminal abnormality. “All I could say is, Texas does not care about you.”
Small groups of anti-abortion protesters were present at both the Washington, D.C., and Austin events, but in both cities, they were drowned out by pro-abortion rights protesters standing in front of them.
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Thousands rallied in Washington, D.C.; Austin, Texas; and cities around the nation Saturday morning to protest against recent legislative efforts to restrict access to abortion, which has become the biggest threat to Roe v. Wade in decades.
The march in Washington, which concluded at the Supreme Court, comes before the high court convenes on Monday.
The court is slated to hear the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case on a Mississippi abortion ban, which blocks the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
“No matter where you live, no matter where you are, this fight is at your doorstep,” said Planned Parenthood CEO Alexis McGill Johnson, speaking at the D.C. march.
Protesters in the nation’s capital were vocal about their stance, with many carrying signs and wearing costumes honoring the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
“We just think that we can’t expect change or people to not feel like it’s OK to infringe on our rights if we don’t show and show them that it’s not okay,” said Dawn Corporan, who traveled to the D.C. march from Suffolk, Va.
While the march in D.C. was smaller than the march after former President Trump’s inauguration in 2017, thousands still lined the streets to demonstrate, traveling from near and far.
“We’ve got to support, man,” said Susan Baxter, who traveled from Silicon Valley and represented doctor- led and female-founded birth control company Pandia Health. “That’s one of the reasons why the company was started, so that women have a choice.”
More than 600 sister marches simultaneously took place across the country, a testament to the reach of the Women’s March.
At the Texas State Capitol in Austin, which has become the epicenter of the abortion rights debate, organizers announced an estimated 35,000 protesters had showed up to cheer a three-hour speaker lineup that included former Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards and former Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis (D).
Many slammed Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who signed legislation into law this summer that makes abortion illegal approximately six weeks after conception, a time before many people even know they are pregnant.
It also allows private citizens to sue abortion providers and other individuals who “aid and abet” a person’s abortion.
“Gov. Greg Abbott and Republicans in the legislature put their own political ambitions ahead of the people of this state and Greg Abbott traded away the health and wellbeing of our state for crass partisan politics,” Richards told the crowd.
Davis, who famously spoke for almost 12 hours on the Texas Senate floor in 2013 to prevent passage of a previous bill aimed at restricting abortion access, vowed to not give up the fight.
“We are powerful, we are indefatigable, and for our daughters, our granddaughters, our trans and nonbinary friends, we are not stopping,” Davis said.
Abbott has defended the law, saying that the ban allows victims of rape up to six weeks to get an abortion and pledged to “eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas.”
Women of all ages spoke at the Austin march, including doctors who discussed difficult recent conversations they had been forced to have with pregnant people since the Texas law went into effect on Sept. 1.
“She cried in my office and said, ‘I can’t eat, I can’t sleep … why will no one help me,’ ” Vanessa Yium, an OB-GYN based in Austin, recounted of a conversation with a patient looking to have an abortion past six weeks due to the fetus having a terminal abnormality. “All I could say is, Texas does not care about you.”
Small groups of anti-abortion protesters were present at both the Washington, D.C., and Austin events, but in both cities, they were drowned out by pro-abortion rights protesters standing in front of them.
Thousands take to the streets in Washington, Texas to protest restrictive abortion laws
Thousands rallied in Washington, D.C.; Austin, Texas; and cities around the nation Saturday morning to protest against recent legislative efforts to restrict access to abortion, which has become th…
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Abortions Resume in Some Texas Clinics After Judge Halts Law
Abortions quickly resumed in some Texas clinics Thursday after a federal judge halted enactment of the state's tough new abortion law, but doctors across the state did not not rush to resume normal operations with the court battle far from over.
The order by U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman late Wednesday was meant to give Texas clinics cover to resume seeing most patients for the first time since early September, when the law known as Senate Bill 8 went into effect, banning abortions once cardiac activity is detected, usually around six weeks.
But the relief felt by Texas abortion providers was tempered by the possibility of an appeals court reinstating the law in the coming days. Some Texas physicians, meanwhile, were still declining to perform abortions, fearful they might be held liable despite the judge's order.
Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office quickly served notice of the state's intent to appeal but had yet to do so Thursday.
“The sanctity of human life is, and will always be, a top priority for me," Paxton tweeted.
Pitman's order amounted to the first legal blow to Senate Bill 8, which had withstood a wave of earlier challenges. In the weeks since the restrictions took effect, Texas abortion providers said the impact had been “exactly what we feared.”
In a 113-page opinion, Pitman took Texas to task, saying Republican lawmakers had “contrived an unprecedented and transparent statutory scheme” by leaving enforcement in the hands of private citizens, who can collect damages if they bring successful lawsuits against abortion providers who violate the restrictions.
“From the moment S.B. 8 went into effect, women have been unlawfully prevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by the Constitution,” wrote Pitman, who was appointed to the bench by former President Barack Obama.
“That other courts may find a way to avoid this conclusion is theirs to decide; this Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right."
Ahead of the new Supreme Court term, Planned Parenthood on Friday released a report saying that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, 26 states are primed to ban abortion. This year alone, nearly 600 abortion restrictions have been introduced in statehouses nationwide, with more than 90 becoming law, according to Planned Parenthood.
Texas officials argued in court filings that even if the law were put on hold temporarily, providers could still face the threat of litigation over violations that might occur before a permanent ruling.
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Abortions quickly resumed in some Texas clinics Thursday after a federal judge halted enactment of the state's tough new abortion law, but doctors across the state did not not rush to resume normal operations with the court battle far from over.
The order by U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman late Wednesday was meant to give Texas clinics cover to resume seeing most patients for the first time since early September, when the law known as Senate Bill 8 went into effect, banning abortions once cardiac activity is detected, usually around six weeks.
But the relief felt by Texas abortion providers was tempered by the possibility of an appeals court reinstating the law in the coming days. Some Texas physicians, meanwhile, were still declining to perform abortions, fearful they might be held liable despite the judge's order.
Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office quickly served notice of the state's intent to appeal but had yet to do so Thursday.
“The sanctity of human life is, and will always be, a top priority for me," Paxton tweeted.
Pitman's order amounted to the first legal blow to Senate Bill 8, which had withstood a wave of earlier challenges. In the weeks since the restrictions took effect, Texas abortion providers said the impact had been “exactly what we feared.”
In a 113-page opinion, Pitman took Texas to task, saying Republican lawmakers had “contrived an unprecedented and transparent statutory scheme” by leaving enforcement in the hands of private citizens, who can collect damages if they bring successful lawsuits against abortion providers who violate the restrictions.
“From the moment S.B. 8 went into effect, women have been unlawfully prevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by the Constitution,” wrote Pitman, who was appointed to the bench by former President Barack Obama.
“That other courts may find a way to avoid this conclusion is theirs to decide; this Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right."
Ahead of the new Supreme Court term, Planned Parenthood on Friday released a report saying that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, 26 states are primed to ban abortion. This year alone, nearly 600 abortion restrictions have been introduced in statehouses nationwide, with more than 90 becoming law, according to Planned Parenthood.
Texas officials argued in court filings that even if the law were put on hold temporarily, providers could still face the threat of litigation over violations that might occur before a permanent ruling.
Abortions Resume in Some Texas Clinics After Judge Halts Law
Abortions quickly resumed in some Texas clinics Thursday after a federal judge halted enactment of the state's tough new abortion law, but doctors across the state did not not rush to resume normal operations with the court battle far from over.The order by U.S. District...
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Who said the court system is slow?
Appeals court temporarily reinstates Texas abortion law
A U.S. court of appeals temporarily reinstated Texas's six-week abortion law, issuing an administrative stay of a preliminary injunction granted to the Biden administration earlier this week by a federal judge that blocked the controversial law's implementation.
"It is ordered that Appellant’s emergency motion to stay the preliminary injunction pending appeal is temporarily held in abeyance pending further order by this motions panel," the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Friday.
The U.S. court of appeals directed the Department of Justice to respond to the emergency motion by 5 p.m. next Tuesday.
The stay, granted by the conservative panel Friday night, is a win for anti-abortion advocates and lawmakers in the state after Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) filed a motion to the three-judge panel to stay U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman's order.
“Today I have filed a motion to stay the District Court’s lawless order in the 5th Circuit. I’ll continue to fight against the Biden Administration’s overreach,” Paxton confirmed on Twitter earlier Friday evening.
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Appeals court temporarily reinstates Texas abortion law
A U.S. court of appeals temporarily reinstated Texas's six-week abortion law, issuing an administrative stay of a preliminary injunction granted to the Biden administration earlier this week by a federal judge that blocked the controversial law's implementation.
"It is ordered that Appellant’s emergency motion to stay the preliminary injunction pending appeal is temporarily held in abeyance pending further order by this motions panel," the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Friday.
The U.S. court of appeals directed the Department of Justice to respond to the emergency motion by 5 p.m. next Tuesday.
The stay, granted by the conservative panel Friday night, is a win for anti-abortion advocates and lawmakers in the state after Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) filed a motion to the three-judge panel to stay U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman's order.
“Today I have filed a motion to stay the District Court’s lawless order in the 5th Circuit. I’ll continue to fight against the Biden Administration’s overreach,” Paxton confirmed on Twitter earlier Friday evening.
Appeals court temporarily reinstates Texas abortion law
A U.S. court of appeals temporarily reinstated Texas’s six-week abortion law, issuing an administrative stay of a preliminary injunction granted to the Biden administration earlier this …
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Don't Bogart
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I'm with Cunning. This is not an alarmist thread.
Other states are now following suit. Developing laws in like manor.
This law is not just aimed at Texans. The law empowers anyone in AND out of Texas to file suit against anyone who provides aid for the procedure.
There is a possibility that the law could be used to sue doctors outside of Texas who perform abortions on women from Texas. Law professors feel this won't work but the mess it will create.