Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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The fact that a bunch of men are arguing about abortion on a weed website is equal parts hilarious and sad.

Like, this shit doesn't even pertain to you, not even if it was your baby inside her. It is and should always be 100% HER choice to go full-term or to terminate, for whatever reason.

That whole fallacy of "wUt iF ShE lOsEs HeR mInD & sTaBs HeR OwN bElLy" is just you watching too much Tucker Carlson.

Most of you should STFU and stop embarrassing yourselves. ALL OF US who are men need to STFU about this topic, period.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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PopAndSonGrows said:
That whole fallacy of "wUt iF ShE lOsEs HeR mInD & sTaBs HeR OwN bElLy" is just you watching too much Tucker Carlson.
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I don't have a televison and was responding to a query about a rare instance where it may be appropriate to intervene in a self abortion.

I imagine you would let the temporarily insane woman stab herself ?
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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Rob Roy said:
Good prediction. Didn't take you long to be wrong.

I never said it isn't "my body my choice". It would be my preference, but not my right, that people don't have abortions. It's my preference that people don't eat themselves into severe obesity, but not my right to stop them from doing so.

I think you may be assuming that I think my preferences should be some kind of law, but I don't think they should. You see, when we get with other people and try to make our preferences laws, there are usually unintended consequences, like the violation of another person's rights.



Nothing happened to my attitude, I remain consistent.

Although as an aside, the covid "vaccines" aren't vaccines, they are poisonous snake oil sold to a dumbed down population. I remain "pro choice" on them. If you want to poison yourself, that's your choice. I prefer that women don't kill the unborn though, since the poor little ones are somewhat defenseless.

It's ironic all those white liberal women demonstrating for the right to terminate all those unborn black babies. Hillary and her hero Margaret Sanger (the eugenics freak) would be proud!
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Literally none of that made any sense.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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Rob Roy said:
I don't have a televison and was responding to a query about a rare instance where it may be appropriate to intervene in a self abortion.

I imagine you would let the temporarily insane woman stab herself ?
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That's the very essence of "cherry picking" your arguments.

So, you think noone should have abortions because one crazy chick stabbed her prego tummy. And you don't think it should be law, you just "prefer" noone have access to abortions.

I like where you totally ignored the point i made about none of this pertaining to you, but yeah cool story otherwise.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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PopAndSonGrows said:
Literally none of that made any sense.
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While I disagree with your observation, since it's wrong and baseless, you have every right to continue to make inane comments.

It's my preference that you don't make inane and baseless comments, but only you can decide.

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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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PopAndSonGrows said:
That's the very essence of "cherry picking" your arguments.

So, you think noone should have abortions because one crazy chick stabbed her prego tummy. And you don't think it should be law, you just "prefer" noone have access to abortions.

I like where you totally ignored the point i made about none of this pertaining to you, but yeah cool story otherwise.
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VincenzioVonHook

VincenzioVonHook

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i just don't understand why people just can't take responsibility and just use a condom or birth control if they don't want a child. Unprotected sex leads to children. It's not rocket science.

Education and responsibility is paramount in these situations, and responsibility for ones actions is frowned upon these days. I've never had unprotected sex with a random person or a partner (which has led to a lot of screaming and running out the door lol). If I don't have a condom, I'm not willing to take the risk as I'm not comfortable with my ability to bring a child into the world., Simple. I'm not an animal for christs sake, I have the ability to make an informed decision.

There should always be a fall back with laws like this. Some type of means test or assessment before an abortion instead of trying to pass a law in spite of the other political sides viewpoint. The left thinks they should have the right to abort whenever they want, so the right try and claim abortion should never happen full stop. How about we meet in the middle, work together and come up with a situation that will work in both regards?

The polarization and choices made out of political spite is not going top benefit anyone. It's hard being centrist on a lot of views, as they are usually contextual issues not black and white issues. The amount of times i've heard "the left wants abortions to be available at any time, so lets ban them full stop" or "the right wants to means test abortions, so we should make them legal full stop" is just sad. it seems the decisions are based on spite more than the actual women that do or don't want an abortion..With the current issue of extreme polarization, being relatively central sucks some times. Depending on who or when I talk to someone and one what subject, I'm either a "right wing terrorist" or a "crazy leftist groomer". Its crap.
 
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zeddd

zeddd

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VincenzioVonHook said:
i just don't understand why people just can't take responsibility and just use a condom or birth control if they don't want a child. Unprotected sex leads to children. It's not rocket science.

Education and responsibility is paramount in these situations, and responsibility for ones actions is frowned upon these days. I've never had unprotected sex with a random person or a partner (which has led to a lot of screaming and running out the door lol). If I don't have a condom, I'm not willing to take the risk as I'm not comfortable with my ability to bring a child into the world., Simple. I'm not an animal for christs sake, I have the ability to make an informed decision.

There should always be a fall back with laws like this. Some type of means test or assessment before an abortion instead of trying to pass a law in spite of the other political sides viewpoint. The left thinks they should have the right to abort whenever they want, so the right try and claim abortion should never happen full stop. How about we meet in the middle, work together and come up with a situation that will work in both regards?

The polarization and choices made out of political spite is not going top benefit anyone. It's hard being centrist on a lot of views, as they are usually contextual issues not black and white issues. The amount of times i've heard "the left wants abortions to be available at any time, so lets ban them full stop" or "the right wants to means test abortions, so we should make them legal full stop" is just sad. it seems the decisions are based on spite more than the actual women that do or don't want an abortion..With the current issue of extreme polarization, being relatively central sucks some times. Depending on who or when I talk to someone and one what subject, I'm either a "right wing terrorist" or a "crazy leftist groomer". Its crap.
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And yours is the voice of reason in the middle ground
 
HGCC

HGCC

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VincenzioVonHook said:
i just don't understand why people just can't take responsibility and just use a condom or birth control if they don't want a child. Unprotected sex leads to children. It's not rocket science.

Education and responsibility is paramount in these situations, and responsibility for ones actions is frowned upon these days. I've never had unprotected sex with a random person. If I don't have a condom, I'm not willing to take the risk., Simple. Im not an animal for christs sake, I have the ability to make an informed decision.

There should always be a fall back with laws like this. Some type of means test or assessment before an abortion instead of trying to pass a law in spite of the other political sides viewpoint. The left thinks they should have the right to abort whenever they want, so the right try and claim abortion should never happen full stop. How about we meet in the middle, work together and come up with a situation that will work in both regards?

The polarization and choices made out of political spite is not going top benefit anyone. It's hard being centrist on a lot of views, as they are usually contextual issues not black and white issues. The amount of times i've heard "the left wants abortions to be available at any time, so lets ban them full stop" or "the right wants to means test abortions, so we should make them legal full stop" is just sad. it seems the decisions are based on spite more than the actual women that do or don't want an abortion..With the current issue of extreme polarization, being relatively central sucks some times. Depending on who or when I talk to someone and one what subject, I'm either a "right wing terrorist" or a "crazy leftist groomer". Its crap.
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I think you might be missing how dumb people are though. That's a broad statement, in this specific instance I would point out that certain states that lean conservative often have a lot of religious influence in all aspects and not everyone is receiving the same level of sex education. I'm middle aged, but man there were a lot of kids in high-school that did not really have a solid understanding of how things actually worked...maybe they are better informed now. Not all kids have parents that can or will explain it. I don't think it's fair to expect them to be able make decisions around the issues. Per the Google, only 18 states have a requirement to teach that there are contraceptive measures you can take. A number of states teach abstinence only.

There has been a bit of talk as in the zealousness to push this through they did things like not make a provision for rape/incest, then rather shittily brushed aside peoples concerns. The big example there is from Ohio where the conservative described that situation as an opportunity for the person who got raped. Keep in mind unwed mothers are also looked down upon. I think you can see how that's a pretty shitty situation.

I have no clue what the means testing is you mentioned? Got a link?
 
VincenzioVonHook

VincenzioVonHook

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HGCC said:
I think you might be missing how dumb people are though. That's a broad statement, in this specific instance I would point out that certain states that lean conservative often have a lot of religious influence in all aspects and not everyone is receiving the same level of sex education. I'm middle aged, but man there were a lot of kids in high-school that did not really have a solid understanding of how things actually worked...maybe they are better informed now. Not all kids have parents that can or will explain it. I don't think it's fair to expect them to be able make decisions around the issues. Per the Google, only 18 states have a requirement to teach that there are contraceptive measures you can take. A number of states teach abstinence only.

There has been a bit of talk as in the zealousness to push this through they did things like not make a provision for rape/incest, then rather shittily brushed aside peoples concerns. The big example there is from Ohio where the conservative described that situation as an opportunity for the person who got raped. Keep in mind unwed mothers are also looked down upon. I think you can see how that's a pretty shitty situation.

I have no clue what the means testing is you mentioned? Got a link?
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by means testing I just meant a consultation to assess the reason and validity of the abortion instead of blanket "always or never" mentalities that are being pushed to the forefront. Just a summary to see if bringing the child into the world could cause extensive hardship or trauma for either party. For example, a child of rape would be an immediate pass.

Absolutely insane that anyone could assume that a child as a consequence of rape could be an opportunity. That is just bizarre. Head spinning on that one.

most of my views on this situation came from an upbringing where i was taught about these issues at a young age, so I have a silver spoon in that regard.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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It is, but that's what is on one side of the debate. When I look at an issue, I think its important to look at both arguments being made, I might not fully agree with one of them, but if the counter point is a hard fuck no, then it becomes pretty clear where I should sit. The push is to ban all cases of abortion, that's been the religious rights goal for a long time and they hold enough sway in the republican party that it is now their official view. Weird bed fellows and such.

Yes of course a 3rd hybrid option would be ideal (hegelian dialectic lol), but the reality of the world is just the two choices.
 
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