is it nessary to mix anything in pro mix befor you use it.

cleverpiggy said:

The General Organics complete line was disappointing. You are missing the Black Forest (humic supplement). I hate the fact that they portray it is an organic product when in reality it is simply the same as all the other chemical products. If you like the chemicals go with Dyna Grow and Bloom lineup way cheaper and better results. If it were me I favor the true living organic (TLO) approach. here is a great recipe.

1 3.8 cf bag of Pro Mix BX or HP
1 cf of compost (earth worm castings, thermo compost)
.5 cf of perlite, coco shells, pumice or rice hulls
6 cups of Espoma brand bio tone starter plus
3 cups alfalfa meal
3 cups kelp meal
3 cups crab meal (Neptune harvest)
2 cups of a 50/50 mix of Neem cake and Karanja cake (neemsource.com) This stuff is amazing but expensive.
Minerals as follows 1 cups of soft rock phosphate (or brown rock), 1 cup of crushed oyster shells, 1 cup gypsum 3/4 cup of sul po mag, 1 cup of azomite
Mix it thoroughly on a large tarp or cement mixer.

Let it "cook" or rest for 1 month before using. This is a water only True living organic soil. It will still need the occasional AACT tea and a dose of humic and fulvic acid to feed the microbial life but other than that it's a no brainer medium. No more worries and it will most likely be the best grow you have ever produced. It is a little more work/labor to do organics but nothing great ever comes easy.

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supchaka said:

I believe pro mix is the equivalent of happy frog? I mix mine 50% with perlite and I also add 1tbsp of bone and blood meal for every 1 gal of pot size. I too don't fert in veg at all and usually not till a few weeks in flower.

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Dg416 said:

What kind of nutreints do you use during flowering for this mix, and how often/long do you feed into the cycle. I'm thinking of useing this recipe and would like to know before I start vegging.

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Lordhooha said:

Holy thread revival batman!what I do is get promix bx, roots organic greenfields, and roots organic original take a big ass tarp dump all three in the middle and use the tarp to mix it up. This will last you thur veg depending on how long you veg and how big of pots your using. After that every three weeks I sprinkle roots nitro bat guano on top if in veg still or right before I flip to flower. After that use whatever grow nutrients your gonna use.

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cleverpiggy said:

The General Organics complete line was disappointing. You are missing the Black Forest (humic supplement). I hate the fact that they portray it is an organic product when in reality it is simply the same as all the other chemical products. If you like the chemicals go with Dyna Grow and Bloom lineup way cheaper and better results. If it were me I favor the true living organic (TLO) approach. here is a great recipe.

1 3.8 cf bag of Pro Mix BX or HP
1 cf of compost (earth worm castings, thermo compost)
.5 cf of perlite, coco shells, pumice or rice hulls
6 cups of Espoma brand bio tone starter plus
3 cups alfalfa meal
3 cups kelp meal
3 cups crab meal (Neptune harvest)
2 cups of a 50/50 mix of Neem cake and Karanja cake (neemsource.com) This stuff is amazing but expensive.
Minerals as follows 1 cups of soft rock phosphate (or brown rock), 1 cup of crushed oyster shells, 1 cup gypsum 3/4 cup of sul po mag, 1 cup of azomite
Mix it thoroughly on a large tarp or cement mixer.

Let it "cook" or rest for 1 month before using. This is a water only True living organic soil. It will still need the occasional AACT tea and a dose of humic and fulvic acid to feed the microbial life but other than that it's a no brainer medium. No more worries and it will most likely be the best grow you have ever produced. It is a little more work/labor to do organics but nothing great ever comes easy.

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mikejhh said:

I'm using Pro-mix HP. I add extra perlite, dolomite lime and Worm Castings.

However you can use it just fine without adding anything to it ofc.

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chronicals77 said:

I know this is old but something caught my attention. This cannot be a true organic mix because all pro mix has antifungals and chemical watering agents. Pro mix be, ect are not organic mixes. Also all general hydro products are organic derived from natural minerals. It cannot be classified as organic because of the cleaning/purifying and processing often minerals into a ph stable liquid form. It is not chemical in the sense that miracle gro is chemical. I got nothing but hydro and use nothing but GH products. They are fantastic products but have to be used as stated by the manufacturer and yes if a company says to flush there is good reason for it. Flushing removes salt build up with hardened on roots and reduces the rate at which the plants absorb nutrients. "Organic" growing is actually worse because there are a lot and I mean a lot of contaminates in organic ferts such as tons of mold spores. Also if your going to add all those amendment to your soul you may as well start with raw ingredients and make your own mix because professional mixes such as promix bx is scientifically structured for specific results. It is meant to perform in a certain way and by adding all that stuff to the soil you are completely restructuring the performance. Water absorption rates, moisture and drying rates, ect....You are destroying the intended performance of the soil mix. Get peat, get perlite, vermiculite, ect and establish your own mix. If you buy organic components and do that then you can call it natural organic live soil mix. Also once broken down to a usable state minerals are minerals to plants. Don't believe me? I've studied the past 7 years with some of the world's most famous horticulturalist. They would not appreciate me posting their names here as they are not affiliated with cannabis on a public level and some not at all. I don't doubt you are getting some decent results but I veg 5 weeks and pull 2lbs per plant indoors.

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cleverpiggy said:

Beth, When you use straight Pro Mix BX by its self and add the fertilizer or "nutrients" to the water this is essentially "soil-less" growing or hydroponics so to speak. This is because the Promix is essentially an inert (no nutrient value) medium similar to straight perlite. When you add amendments to the Promix like compost (worm castings, cow manure, mushroom, lobster, chicken, yard), meals (bone, blood, feather, kelp, alfalfa, crab etc.) gaunos (bat, sea bird), minerals (azomite, soft rock phosphates, sul po mag, oyster shells, lime greensand) you are now growing in a soil mix. If all the amendments are properly adjusted you can water with plain old tap water and not add anything to the H2O as far as macro nutrients (NPK) go. So to recap straight Promix Bx is soil-less and Promix Bx with all the proper amendments is soil growing (examples: Roots Organic, Fox Farm OF, Coast of Main, Vital Earth etc). This is a broad definition of both types of growing media and each has many different approaches and nutrient recipes. I would also not recommend adding lime to the BX, it is already in there. I will offer one more piece of advice and with it I will be opening up a huge debate but here we go. If you plan on using bottled nutrients don't be fooled by these product lines that offer 4-10 different bottles of crap for your grow cycle. There are many great economically superior products that are over looked because they aren't flashy and over marketed. But as everyone will agree (LOL) organic TLO soil growing is superior in every aspect of fruit production. My $.02 worth.

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barry smith said:

yup you are correct on all points especially the point about use of expensive additives and nuts . seriously i ve been growing for 50 yrears believe me make it simple you get just as good results, i ve tried a lot of combinations in all those years and now i use PRO mix bx and TPS 1 eazy and pretty cheap.and excellent results .

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DarkWeb said:

Just think of how young you where when this thread started

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DarkWeb said:

Just think of how young you where when this thread started

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cleverpiggy said:

The General Organics complete line was disappointing. You are missing the Black Forest (humic supplement). I hate the fact that they portray it is an organic product when in reality it is simply the same as all the other chemical products. If you like the chemicals go with Dyna Grow and Bloom lineup way cheaper and better results. If it were me I favor the true living organic (TLO) approach. here is a great recipe.

1 3.8 cf bag of Pro Mix BX or HP
1 cf of compost (earth worm castings, thermo compost)
.5 cf of perlite, coco shells, pumice or rice hulls
6 cups of Espoma brand bio tone starter plus
3 cups alfalfa meal
3 cups kelp meal
3 cups crab meal (Neptune harvest)
2 cups of a 50/50 mix of Neem cake and Karanja cake (neemsource.com) This stuff is amazing but expensive.
Minerals as follows 1 cups of soft rock phosphate (or brown rock), 1 cup of crushed oyster shells, 1 cup gypsum 3/4 cup of sul po mag, 1 cup of azomite
Mix it thoroughly on a large tarp or cement mixer.

Let it "cook" or rest for 1 month before using. This is a water only True living organic soil. It will still need the occasional AACT tea and a dose of humic and fulvic acid to feed the microbial life but other than that it's a no brainer medium. No more worries and it will most likely be the best grow you have ever produced. It is a little more work/labor to do organics but nothing great ever comes easy.

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Canadian87 said:

Hi there, I realize this thread is ancient. But I decided to make up a double batch of your recommended TLO mix. I was under the impression it’s a super soil to be placed at the bottom 1/3 to 1/2 of the container. Is that the case or is this mix for planting directly in? Thanks in advance!

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Canadian87 said:

Bump

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