Israel Has the Right and Obligation to Defend Its Border with Deadly Force
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SneekyNinja
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It's because the people from the South are #A52A2A and the people from the North are #000000
Bugeye
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Neither, I'm not a bible guy myself. Israel is there for the taking. But it has already been defended successfully by the jews and they now have some big guns so it will likely take a mushroom cloud to get them out of there.
I'm your British fruit picking imigrant seeking assylum.
"It took ur jerbs!"
Fruit-picking robot designed to replace seasonal migrant workers
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...essex-university-eastern-europe-a8511321.html
Solutions are always nice in theory..humanity still makes the choice and is uncomfortable with change; preferring blame to justify not utilizing solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_gun
why when only a mushroom dick got them there?
Bugeye
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Possession is 9/10 of the law. They are on the land, they have done well, they are well armed and trained to fight down to the last man and woman. They are not leaving. So which group is going to evict them?
SneekyNinja
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The problem isn't the electronics.Solutions are always nice in theory..humanity still makes the choice and is uncomfortable with change; preferring blame to justify not utilizing solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_gun
The problem is the fact the recoil tends to destroy the aforementioned technology quite easily.
Guns are simple mechanical objects subject to high forces.
They're not easy to mix effectively, putting a red dot on top of a rifle or something is different because it's not an integral mechanical part.
Buddha2525
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Solutions are always nice in theory..humanity still makes the choice and is uncomfortable with change; preferring blame to justify not utilizing solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_gun
Within about twenty years outsourcing along with technology, AI, and robotics will replace most jobs that don't require a nurturing factor. At that point the majority won't need to worry anymore about immigration, but about their own emigration.
yes and no..you still need someone to sell the SaaS and yet others administrate it. we're still going to need humans at least for the rest of my life.
Buddha2525
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Atlas is a joint project between DARPA and google. It can currently do back flips and run.
It doesn't creep you out that our weapons research department is teaming up with the largest data mining company to develop the Bionic Man?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/milestones-in-atlas-robot-history/
yes it does..i was talking with @SneekyNinja about AI..scary he said they can only go as far as the programmer, but there are things i've read that say the opposite.
i think musk has it right when he says it will be our downfall.
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Buddha2525
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That's not completely true. Through recombinant dynamic code, an ai can make new algorithms and rules. Then by using extinction methods and reinforcement that networking theory has been using for decades, can reproduce redundancy and plasticity similar to how the brain works.
Fogdog
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Buddha2525
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I never read Asimov. I took a university AI course.
Fogdog
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Lying liars lie.
SneekyNinja
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Please don't misquote me.
I said there is a difference between narrow AI (like we have now) and a general AI or digital superintelligence, which isn't here yet.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Israel didn't exist until 1948...when it was formed by the united nations. they "formed" it out of Palestinian property. the Jews had an ancestral home there...the Palestinians stayed, and built, and lived...then they were evicted by people whose only claim on their home was "we used to live here, get out"........i think i would be upset, too. i think i would be doing more than throwing fucking rocks....i'd burn the whole fucking city to the ground every time they stacked two bricks on top of each other.
i do not hate jews, no problem with them what so ever....Israelis.....not so much.....
i do not hate jews, no problem with them what so ever....Israelis.....not so much.....
scumrot derelict
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Hey retard. How do you feel about Trump threatening to use military force against migrant women and children who are stuck in a crowd of asylum seeking refugees tossing rocks at the border guard?https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/israel-has-right-obligation-defend-border-with-deadly-force/
By David French
Israeli border police officers take positions during a Palestinian protest of the U.S. embassy move to Jerusalem, May 15, 2018. (Mohamad Torokman/Reuters)
Would you let people who want to kill you into your home?
One of the enduring mysteries of modern political discourse is the way in which smart people — who are not remotely anti-Semitic — impose curious, unworkable double standards on the nation of Israel. Let’s take, for example, the response of many on the left to the so-called Great Return March, an effort by thousands of Gazans to storm the Israeli border.
After all, the international legal standards are clear. A nation has the right to protect the integrity of its border, and that right is supplemented by an inherent right of self-defense in the face of a hostile foreign power. Hamas — which rules Gaza — rejects Israel’s right to exist and remains in a state of perpetual, declared war with Israel. Any reasonable person contemplating the consequences of a border-wall breach knows that chaos and bloodshed may result.
Moreover, every reasonably informed person knows that Hamas has a long history of using human shields, including women and children, to drum up international sympathy and deceive gullible foreign critics into believing that Israel is using lethal force against peaceful protestors who merely seek a peaceful resolution to an intractable conflict. Yet still yesterday we saw tweets and articles not just from the single-minded anti-Israel Left but also from far more thoughtful observers:
Let’s answer these tweets with a question. What would you have Israel do when thousands of people march on the border, some armed, some not? What would you have Israel do when you know that terrorists are certainly mixed in that crowd, people who’d gladly shoot or stab Israeli civilians if they were ever to gain access to Israeli towns?
You can’t let the wall come down. You can’t let thousands (or perhaps tens of thousands) of people flood into Israeli communities.
Oh, and you’re not allowed to presume that the Israeli military has superhuman ability to do what no military force has ever been able to do: effectively and reliably control hostile armed mobs with exclusively nonlethal means. In other words, tear gas won’t get the job done.
Israel could moderate its approach to Gaza tomorrow, and Hamas would seize as many assets as it could to construct terror tunnels and rebuild its military infrastructure.
One of the enduring problems in international dialogue about Gaza is that the Palestinian resistance is, quite simply, more vicious and violent — with ultimate eliminationist goals — than well-meaning leftists want or believe it to be. Take, for example, objections to the American embassy in Jerusalem. The real root of much of the Palestinian rage isn’t that the location of the embassy disrupts a (largely illusory) “peace process,” but rather that American action is yet another step toward solidifying permanent Israeli control over most of Jerusalem.
Hamas, to its very core, believes that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. None. To its very core, it believes that all of Palestine must be under Islamic control. It has absolutely no moral qualms about intentionally inflicting as many civilian casualties as possible in the pursuit of its absolutist goals. Israel could moderate its approach to Gaza tomorrow, and Hamas would seize as many assets as it could to construct terror tunnels and rebuild its military infrastructure. That’s the sad reality of life in Gaza.
And that sad reality presents Israel with few good options. That’s what evil does. It rarely presents the forces of reason with easy or simple solutions.
It’s also worth noting that there is a dispositional difference between left and right. American liberals are more likely to look at mass protests — even violent mass protests — and lionize the dissenters. That’s when you see phrases in news stories such as “mostly peaceful,” or you’ll read descriptions of the disparity in power between the rioters and the Israeli military — Palestinians’ kites and Molotov Cocktails versus Israelis’ Apaches and tanks. All too many liberals are blinded by the Palestinians’ underdog status and refuse to squarely consider that actual ideas and attitudes of the Palestinian rioters.
American conservatives hear phrases like “mostly peaceful” and scoff. That’s not Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. marching on the wall.
At the same time, American conservatives should no more excuse every IDF action or tactic than they should excuse every American action or tactic. Israel is a nation that is more dedicated to preventing civilian casualties than even the United States is, but it is not infallible. It needs an ally that can offer constructive criticism.
Yet while Israel is hardly perfect, its response to the Great Return March is necessary and prudent. Under no circumstances can it allow Hamas to breach its border fence. Nor can it hold its foreign policy (including the location of foreign embassies) hostage to threats of Palestinian terror or Palestinian riots. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and it will be the capital of Israel in any peace settlement. The only way Jerusalem will not be the Israeli capital is that Israel ceases to exist.
Formal American recognition of that reality isn’t wrong, and it isn’t reckless. It’s a cold dose of reality to a Palestinian cause that’s been steeped in eliminationist fantasies for generations. Rather than riot, it’s the Palestinian responsibility (including the Gazan responsibility) to understand that it cannot and will not destroy the Jewish state.
Do you believe firing on unarmed people is something that we should be backing?
squarepush3r
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muh women and children!
