squarepush3r
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5x5 is hardly cultivation
Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.
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nathenking
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exactly.... plus the YES crowd will say, we will change it later... why not do it right the first time....
klmmicro
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So, I guess we should just leave everything exactly as it is and not do anything that might enable change...should we approach all issues like this? Basically, if things cannot be made perfect RIGHT NOW...then there is no reason to even try.
Wheres my Chippy?
Member
Okay, how come I'm legally allowed to brew as much beer/alcohol as I like on my property for personal use? How come I can grow as many tobacco plants as I want for personal use? Why are there no clauses in these bills about personal cultivation/brewing being restricted? Why is there a restriction on how much weed I am allowed to grow for personal use? Or will we just change this in the courts, instead of questioning the actual bill itself? THIS is the reason why I see this protecting big business. Because they are RESTRICTING personal cultivation, yet commercial cultivation (which you need put to up serious cash upfront in this bill) isn't as restricted, making it so it isn't even worth growing anymore from how expensive it is, and instead buying from them....
mr2shim
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Wrong wrong, completely wrong.
Article 5. Lawful Activities
11300. Personal Regulation and Controls.
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(1) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(2) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than 25 square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(3) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to paragraph (2), for personal consumption.
Where does it say 5x5? Quite naturally 5x5 = 25 sq ft, but that's not what it says in the proposition.
1'x25' = 25 sq ft
2.5'x10' = 25
3'x8.33'= 25(24.99)
4'x6.25'= 25
5'x5'= 25
6"x50' = 25
nathenking
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dude, your splitting hairs.... this bill is so shotily written the most pot smokers see this and are voting no.... seriously man, take the bob pic down bro.... you know not what he stood for.... do you think he would want his religious sacrament to be commercialized bro... yeah right... IRIE, (oh wait, do you know what IRIE even means) not sure if you do... inform me please...
mr2shim
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Every time I read something you post, I feel as if I've gotten dumber. Thanks for looking past everything I said and going completely off the handle. It really shows your intent. As far as my avatar. I can have whoever the fuck I want, so either put me on ignore list or deal with it. I've been listening to Bob Marley all my life.
Wheres my Chippy?
Member
What the hell am I gonna grow in a 1'x25' area?! And a 6"x50' area?! You must have some really scrawny thin plants if they can fit into a 1' or 6" wide area. And what kind of rooms can you even find that are 1'x25'? You can't be serious... Come on man, stay with me now....
mr2shim
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I'm with you, but when it says 25sq ft, that doesn't automatically equal 5x5. That's like saying all alcohol= sky blue vodka. All I'm saying is if you are going to argue against something at least state the facts.
mccumcumber
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Fun fact, their is only a certain amount of alcohol you can brew legally without getting a license. However, since alcohol is legal... no one cares nor do cops go raiding party houses for beer. Think weed will be different? The sheer stupidity of the big business argument makes me reluctant to even respond to it... but people seem to think that it is worth debating. You don't want big business bud... well since all of you have already boasted of growing your own bud, don't buy it. Let others buy who want to. Since greed isn't motivating you, why do you care? Let people be stupid and smoke artificial/chemical bud. But stating that all big business bud will be chemical bud is stupid too. Lets take cigarettes for example. Marlboro and Camel... fake and shitty. American spirits, real tobacco... still shitty. Bugler/Drumm/Bali Shagg... etc. Real tobacco, really good, hardly even more expensive than regular cigarettes. Hey would you look at that. For paying a tiny bit more, in bugler's case, less, you get tobacco that is real, and pretty tasty.
I understand that growing is a way of life for people and this bill could affect them negatively, but lets get real. You can always take out loans to start a business, use your house as collateral (that's what most entrepreneurs have to do), and make your own bud company. It's not going to lose money, if you have a good product. You could be the friendly corner store that sells chronic. Call yourself "family smokes" to let everyone know that you're a great guy, and greed isn't your driving motivation. Sure, prices of outdoor weed will go down (peanuts cost more money to grow than weed, and yet they cost 1/100 of the price at least), but you will be growing way more, and you will have a large amount of customers every day. Indoor weed will be expensive so long as electricity is expensive, but there will probably be ways around huge electric bills in the future (LED lights?).
Bob Marley would be for everyone legally allowed to smoke weed. He wasn't a greedy prick, and he didn't use irie and brudda in stupid ways on forums. Bob Marley also would not pretend to know someone and use it against other people that were fans of said figure. In fact, if he was a fan of the same musician, he'd probably be stoked on the fact that he had something in common with some random dude. That's great that you're a huge dealer, I thought I was cool when I dealt with pounds of bud, but then I graduated highschool and realized dealing is a shitty way to make money.
I understand that growing is a way of life for people and this bill could affect them negatively, but lets get real. You can always take out loans to start a business, use your house as collateral (that's what most entrepreneurs have to do), and make your own bud company. It's not going to lose money, if you have a good product. You could be the friendly corner store that sells chronic. Call yourself "family smokes" to let everyone know that you're a great guy, and greed isn't your driving motivation. Sure, prices of outdoor weed will go down (peanuts cost more money to grow than weed, and yet they cost 1/100 of the price at least), but you will be growing way more, and you will have a large amount of customers every day. Indoor weed will be expensive so long as electricity is expensive, but there will probably be ways around huge electric bills in the future (LED lights?).
Bob Marley would be for everyone legally allowed to smoke weed. He wasn't a greedy prick, and he didn't use irie and brudda in stupid ways on forums. Bob Marley also would not pretend to know someone and use it against other people that were fans of said figure. In fact, if he was a fan of the same musician, he'd probably be stoked on the fact that he had something in common with some random dude. That's great that you're a huge dealer, I thought I was cool when I dealt with pounds of bud, but then I graduated highschool and realized dealing is a shitty way to make money.
nathenking
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ok. mr mccumcumber... bob was such a capitalist wasnt he... do you even know anything about rastafari religion??? probably not man... your crazy to think they would support big business in their religous sacrement.... this shit still isnt gonna pass so get over it.... latest polls show this man... get over it... your a arm chair activist...
Wheres my Chippy?
Member
None of the Vote YES crowd has answered my question about if they think that the Hemp & Health bill is better than Prop 19? And if so, why not wait for that one to come around and try to make sure that it gets in?
Also, mccumcumber, I don't want ANYBODY smoking toxic bud, I actually care about other peoples health as well....
Also, mccumcumber, I don't want ANYBODY smoking toxic bud, I actually care about other peoples health as well....
potroast
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It would be a better bill, IF it was on the ballot. Guess what? It's not.
So how many growers will go to jail and have their lives ruined, while we wait for the next Prop? Are you going to help them? What if it happens to you? Will you look back and say gollee, I wish I voted for that last prop?
I voted yes.
So how many growers will go to jail and have their lives ruined, while we wait for the next Prop? Are you going to help them? What if it happens to you? Will you look back and say gollee, I wish I voted for that last prop?
I voted yes.
nathenking
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not many if they get off there lazy asses and get a med card.... there is no excuse in cali to get arrest for growing when gettting a med card is so damn easy....It would be a better bill, IF it was on the ballot. Guess what? It's not.
So how many growers will go to jail and have their lives ruined, while we wait for the next Prop? Are you going to help them? What if it happens to you? Will you look back and say gollee, I wish I voted for that last prop?
I voted yes.
mr2shim
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better watch out, nathenking might start trolling you and calling you a fake as pot smoker and take down you avatar for wanting to vote yes on prop 19.It would be a better bill, IF it was on the ballot. Guess what? It's not.
So how many growers will go to jail and have their lives ruined, while we wait for the next Prop? Are you going to help them? What if it happens to you? Will you look back and say gollee, I wish I voted for that last prop?
I voted yes.
So you admit to and condone abusing the system. That's great to hear! Everybody abusing MMJ is going to really help this country and stop the war on drugs and push for federal legalization. Me, fake? Wow, that comment alone contradicts everything you babble on about. and the Internet Troll of the Year award goes to!
Dan Kone
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That's crap.
If you can't pull a minimum of pound out of a 5x5 area every 2.5 months then you should find a new hobby. A pound is a lot of bud. You could easily pull twice that with the right strains/set up. That should easily cover recreational use.
mr2shim
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https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html
He grows in 1 waterfarm in a 29"X19"X50" space. MUCH less than 25sq ft and pulls over a half a pound on one plant.
Less than 4sq ft for .5-.75lb
Good luck arguing against those facts. not to mention his grow setup is very cheap.
Dan Kone
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There is absolutely no guarantee that another legalization bill will make it on the ballot. Who's going to pay for the signature collecting, campaigning, etc? Do you have any idea how expensive that is?
Even if it makes it on the ballot, the chances of an even more liberal ballot measure passing are very slim. The only reason prop 19 has a shot at passing is because of the non-smokers who will support it for economic reasons. Take out all the perceived potential economic benefits to the state and there is no chance in hell of it passing.
We can pass prop 19. Get everyone in Cali used to the idea of legal bud. Get rid of some of the false stereotypes about cannabis. Then we can pass more liberal legislation.
Saying "I'll just wait till next time and vote for legalization then" is a HUGE blunder. It's not likely there will be a next time if it fails.
mr2shim
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Completely true. Why is it so hard for people to understand how important this is? They think it's so easy to get bills on the ballot that another, better one will pop up next year. It will probably take years for something like this to come about. The only reason it has is because of the financial situation like you stated. It really sickens me to read people are going to blow this off and vote no for personal gains.
Dan Kone
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It's really not hard to pull a pound out of 16sq ft (4x4 tray). I did it on my first hydro grow with 6 days of veg time. Didn't even really know what I was doing. That would be ~25 ounces (1.5lbs) if it were 25sq ft instead of 16sq ft. That would come out to over 10 grams per day. If that still isn't enough you could grow higher yielding strains. The idea that 25sq ft isn't enough for personal recreational use is absurd.
People are just mad because 25sq ft isn't enough to grow for personal use + covering the rent. I'm not unsympathetic to that. I don't think there is anything wrong growing a trey to pay your bills. But to act like that's not enough space to do a decent personal grow is just lol