Jackson shop raided last night?

I don't have a horse in this race; but I thought I would share my paranoia: This dispensary bill in Lansing looks like it, or similar, will be reality soon and I think it's possible local pols will work to get charges against current operators so they are not eligible for State issued licenses to operate. Unless the new law grandfathered in immunity for current and former operators any old drug related charge would disqualify one from running a provisioning center or whatever the fuck they are calling them in the bill. ... Also with the MSC ruling on P2P being illegal there is no legal method for a dispensary to distribute to patients no matter whether they allow communities to have dispensaries or not. As it stands under the ruling, without more changes the MMMA itself, a provision center can only transfer between the 5 patients and one caregiver connected together through the registry; so it's a pointless exercise unless they create a new class of patient outside the MMMA registry.

Last night at mr. able's meeting he read the new bill and explained it very well and it has a grandfathering in it that anyone who acting in accordance with the new law would be allowed to be included. it didn't specify with or without charges prior to its instatement. I did not ask that specific question though. I think the only thing I heard that would limit operators was violent felonies. it was specific to operating under the new bill prior to its instatement. I think that includes all current owners being granfathered in. As explained it seemed a good bill, the things that were not good were easily worked around like the 2.5 ounces every 10 days for a patient....go to a different one within the 10 days if you need more again before the 10 days is up. I heard ABle's name before and I have seen him on pro cannabis shows but didn't make the connection until today that he is one in the same. I was kind of star struck LOL, been a fan for a while and it was awesome to hear him speak. Even if some local bar drunks were inturupting and being kind of douches.

OH! one more thing I got from the meeting AG Shuette CAN come in and individually prosecute people from all counties. I was hopeful but doubtful we could sit on our hands in jackson but we can't and like woodsman said-it was state police our locals didn't do anything to our citizens it came from up high-like when the feds come piss on our parade for medical. the irony is lost on most that the state who defies the feds is pulling the same shit from state to local now, our local would prefer to do nothing. matt said the AG sent letters 3 times insturcting all 83 counties or whatever to prosecute and almost all ended up in the trash. now he is sending his winged monkey's to do it since locals don't want to. Also very important EVERYONE: if you're pulled over with an amount not in excess of your limit and you have a card you don't have to answer any questions about how you got it. Cops lie. If it's your personal pot and it's under your limit you're safe-don't rat anyone out inadvertantly or otherwise. The story woodsman told is true and if the person would have said-I have my pot, I am legal to have it and kept it at that....who knows but they didn't have to tell them where they got it and the state police could only do what they still can do now-his meds were not where they sould have been;put it in the trunk! patients have to protect themselves and the caregivers and people they use to get meds. its on us too.

Thanks for the update Cory, did Able mention anything about p2p at the meeting?

He did, p2p is now illegal and I do not think the bill addresses it at all. At least not the bill that I was there for. I only got 1.5 hours and don't kn ow how long it ran, he might have went over some other planned bill that does I can't say. it was a meeting for and by dispenary owners I believe it was open to all but focused on the kaya raid and how to move forward and have legit businesses moving forward thru legislation and the bills to be introduced. Kevin Cotter a rep from mt. pleasent is the guy to email or call to show your support for the bill, and I already forget the number it was refered to as the provision bill I think-but this guy is the one doing the intro and aparently the contact point. Able did say that it may help or hurt to flood him with cals and email support to quickly intro it; kind of depends on the guy you know. some like to hear a hundred calls some would respond with "damn guys I said I'd do it" and sort of sour on the idea if pestered. you know what I'm sayin' I want to say it 1471 but have no clue til I go back thru the video (i recorded most of what I saw on on my phone). prolly easy to look up tho.

Gotta love elected officials that do whatever
the fuck they want even though average
citizens don't want money being wasted on
marijuana issues. Hell, even a lot of local
LEO's don't want to waste time with marijuana
(medical or not). Hopefully there will be a
strong opposing candidate for the next AG
election but I'm not holding my breath.

treetopmmmp

I know I am doing all I can to bad mouth the current AG and show what he has done to local leo and prosecutors in strong arming them into doing what they know their community does not want.

C&T, thanks for going to the meeting!!!


side note, i keep hearing about transporting meds in your trunk. well i have a quad cab pickup, and i refuse to transport my meds in the bed due to safety reasons. and NO where in my cab is a secure out of reach area. maby behind the rear seat? with all these new laws, im glad my cg delivers. but when i start to grow, and take on a patient or 2, id like to be safe when transporting meds.

DemonTrich said:

C&T, thanks for going to the meeting!!!


side note, i keep hearing about transporting meds in your trunk. well i have a quad cab pickup, and i refuse to transport my meds in the bed due to safety reasons. and NO where in my cab is a secure out of reach area. maby behind the rear seat? with all these new laws, im glad my cg delivers. but when i start to grow, and take on a patient or 2, id like to be safe when transporting meds.

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I'd use a lock box of some sort. It makes
the meds not "readily" accessible.

treetopmmmp

thanks, ive got a spare fire-proof safe ill bring with me from now on.

The law is vague regarding "case" that meds must travel in, although it is clearly without wording about locks thus "case" is a loose definition that could include most anything (not legal advice!). It does say in trunk, but also mentions vehicles without and that in those situations, the "case" must be out of access to those in the interior of the vehicle.
Another few things that were mentioned: Usable Marijuana, means dry. Label your meds accordingly. Dry leaf is usable and regardless of common belief, will count against your limit. The new proposed bill, would changes a few things about medibles. The amount of medication inside must be labeled, but then does not count against your limit. Go figure... Also, provisioning centers have "agents" as employees. Those "agents" do not need to be a card holder what so ever.. Testing facilities will be a part of this. Local municipalities can opt to control "safety" by requiring testing, and for what. The test facilities can be run by non card holders.
(close business for the little guy, open the door for anyone with money, allow locals to call the shots) got it?
Let there be no question about my stance. I am a patient, and all sorts of fucked up. (Sorry I don't often swear). But the war on drugs is the real crime against humanity here that needs a fix. I do support legalization over this bill.

If it matters: It was also said that according to Jorge Cervantes, 15% moisture is ideal smoking material, and the definition of dry is "without moisture". Who judges "dry" is anyones guess. Maybe the judge, maybe the jury. In my situations, an officer would have to tamper with evidence to remove the label that says WET / UNUSABLE, and the humidity guage proving it.

At least the kids on methadone with their lock boxes will start to look halfway normal from now on.

im 6'1" with a long reach. i can grab anything, anytime, anywhere inside the cab of my truck. under the rear seat, behind the rear seat, ect. lol

^^ inevitable questions will arise on that one. Case law may clarify it, just make sure its not your case doing so.

im guess the 3 step rule for handguns may be ok. gun locked in glove box (step1), unlock glove box (step 2), mag out of gu, needing to load gun (step 3). those used to be the laws in Florida for driving with a gun (w/o permit back in the day). so a locked safe in the back seat w/meds should suffice.

yup..out here, i pass 3 liquor stores to drop my kid off at school. One shop is about 3/4 mile from the school, and its a PROBLEM????? WTF! So cigs and alcohol and frickin spice! Thats all good or do people just turn the blind eye, because they drink and smoke???? I think its ridiculous also. The same requirements should be held upon the liqour stores also.
I agree that we should not be near schools, maybe a mile or so. And yeah these tightwads need to smoke a fatty every now and then....

Mr. Able went over this scenario and he suggested that to be bullet-proof you put it somewhere where you would have to get out of the vehicle to access it. That sounds like behind the seat to me. He also stated that LOCKED is not part of this-it states a case, locked is not part of it. so, in a case behind the seat where you would have to get out of the seat and lean the the seat forward to get to it should be legal by his interpretation. locked is optional.

If this new law passes, this is how it looks to me...
In Michigan, an ill person (ie Patient) can only legally access 2.5 ounces from one location within 10 days time regardless of condition or mistakes that could have compromised the substance. (ie, if you drop it in a puddle your screwed for 10 days according to the law). Though, in CO an adult can access daily... Sounds like I have longer to live in CO...Which was the point in moving back to MI from AK.
Matt made light of that section of the bill, stating that you could simply go to another provision center (granted there is another one). That however, in my opinion, was not the intent of that regulation. Considering the detail and record keeping that these establishments must keep to operate legally, that means there will be accessible information showing your purchases, dates, and times and could leave you open for prosecution as far as I am aware.

I could easily see them having a linked
database so you couldn't just go to another
provision center

treetopmmmp

get a truck bed tool box problem solved it is right according to your law everthing else i have heard is left to interperate the law wich means arrest and trail before you get a chance to explain.