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Amos Otis said:

No kidding! Please share all of them.

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the following messiah-like "saviors" were crucified on a cross or tree before ascending into heaven.

• Chrishna of India (Krishna), 1200 B.C.
• Alcestos (Alcestis) of Euripides, 600 B. C.
• Atys (Attis) of Phrygia, 1170 B. C.
• Bali of Orissa, 725 B. C.
• Budha Sakia of India, 600 B. C.
• Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B. C.
• Hesus or Eros (Esus), 834 B. C.
• Iao of Nepaul, 622 B. C.
• Indra of Thibet, 725 B. C.
• Mithra (Mitra) of Persia, 600 B. C.
• Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C.
• Quexalcote of Mexico, 587 B. C.
• Quirinus of Rome, 506 B. C.
• Thammuz (Tammuz) of Syria, 1160 B. C.
• Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B. C.
• Wittoba (Vithoba) of the Bilingonese, 552 B. C.

the Egyptian) gods.. Osiris, Ball

..Buddhist Bodhidharma

..Chinese Chan master Puhua..

and on and on..

HeartIandhank said:

the following messiah-like "saviors" were crucified on a cross or tree before ascending into heaven.

• Chrishna of India (Krishna), 1200 B.C.
• Alcestos (Alcestis) of Euripides, 600 B. C.
• Atys (Attis) of Phrygia, 1170 B. C.
• Bali of Orissa, 725 B. C.
• Budha Sakia of India, 600 B. C.
• Crite of Chaldea, 1200 B. C.
• Hesus or Eros (Esus), 834 B. C.
• Iao of Nepaul, 622 B. C.
• Indra of Thibet, 725 B. C.
• Mithra (Mitra) of Persia, 600 B. C.
• Prometheus or Æschylus of Caucasus, 547 B.C.
• Quexalcote of Mexico, 587 B. C.
• Quirinus of Rome, 506 B. C.
• Thammuz (Tammuz) of Syria, 1160 B. C.
• Thulis of Egypt, 1700 B. C.
• Wittoba (Vithoba) of the Bilingonese, 552 B. C.

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Thanks. That's quite a list of people that ....I've never heard of. Well...I have heard hari krishna chanted some decades ago.

I suppose the religious movements inspired by these 'saviors' didn't amount to much? Besides the hari krishnas?

The most intriguing name of the list as far as a curiosity is the guy in Mexico. I've forgotten a lot from history classes, but he must have been an Aztec? Coronado and the other Spanish cats hadn't gotten there yet, I don't think......

HeartIandhank said:

the following messiah-like "saviors" were crucified on a cross or tree before ascending into heaven.

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I looked up a couple of these cats on your list, and ultimately found the list, compiled from a single source "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, by Kersey Graves, and published in 1875.

"Kersey Graves held the belief that religion corrupted truth, and he evolved into a writer claiming religious belief false and that Jesus was fiction. He wrote The Biography of Satan (1865), The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors (1875), and Bible of Bibles(1881). His second book was his most famous and is still quoted by atheists and proponents of the Christ myth theory today despite its criticism and dismissal by biblical scholars.[4]

Atheist activist Madalyn Murray O'Hair was also an admirer of Graves' work.[6]" - Wikipedia

Well, if you are going to argue on the credibility of a book written a long time ago.. ..

How about these 10 then?

Buddha entered temple at age 12, fasted in solitude for 40/42 days then wandered to fig tree in conclusion (specific,huh?)

Krishna born without sexual union, savior, sent from heaven to earth as a man, #2 in a trinity, etc.

Odysseus plagued by unfaithful companions, carpenter, tells stories of his suffering fate
Romulus born of a virgin, mother claims divine impregnation

Dionysus son of a virgin, born in a manger.

Heracles son of Zeus, the whole trinity thing.. essentially, he is his own grandfather
Glycon weaker example here, but, son of Apollo.. healed the sick, miracles..
Zoroaster/Zarathustra born from a virgin, grail, baptism.. etc..

Attis of Phrygia (born on Dec 25th of a virgin, Nana.. slain for the salvation of mankind..

Horus (only begotten son of Osiris, born from a virgin... sound familiar?

HeartIandhank said:

Well, if you are going to argue on the credibility of a book written a long time ago.. ..

How about these 10 then?

Buddha entered temple at age 12, fasted in solitude for 40/42 days then wandered to fig tree in conclusion (specific,huh?)

Krishna born without sexual union, savior, sent from heaven to earth as a man, #2 in a trinity, etc.

Odysseus plagued by unfaithful companions, carpenter, tells stories of his suffering fate
Romulus born of a virgin, mother claims divine impregnation

Dionysus son of a virgin, born in a manger.

Heracles son of Zeus, the whole trinity thing.. essentially, he is his own grandfather
Glycon weaker example here, but, son of Apollo.. healed the sick, miracles..
Zoroaster/Zarathustra born from a virgin, grail, baptism.. etc..

Attis of Phrygia (born on Dec 25th of a virgin, Nana.. slain for the salvation of mankind..

Horus (only begotten son of Osiris, born from a virgin... sound familiar?

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dude, seriously think about it.. how the hell can anyone be born to a virgin? in order to have a baby, one must have sex.. do you know of a single person, outside of these lists, who ever had a baby without having sex first/? doesn't this send up huge red flags about anything else they claim? if not, why not?

racerboy71 said:

dude, seriously think about it.. how the hell can anyone be born to a virgin? in order to have a baby, one must have sex.. do you know of a single person, outside of these lists, who ever had a baby without having sex first/? doesn't this send up huge red flags about anything else they claim? if not, why not?

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you would think that the association of so many miracles/impossibilities would be enough to make people realize the whole Big Daddy, Junior and The Spook thing is silly.. but it is not enough.

It is the whole faith thing.. they are taught to not think about it.. don't question it.. just believe.

It is the ultimate sin.. the only unforgivable sin..

HeartIandhank said:

you would think that the association of so many miracles/impossibilities would be enough to make people realize the whole Big Daddy, Junior and The Spook thing is silly.. but it is not enough.

It is the whole faith thing.. they are taught to not think about it.. don't question it.. just believe.

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why not question it? if something makes absolutely no sense to me, idc what it is, i question it..
and how come religious people have no problem not questioning the things in the bible, but when it comes to stuff like evolution, all of a sudden they start questioning things?

racerboy71 said:

why not question it? if something makes absolutely no sense to me, idc what it is, i question it..
and how come religious people have no problem not questioning the things in the bible, but when it comes to stuff like evolution, all of a sudden they start questioning things?

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I can understand it.. It is hard..

I grew up in a church.. I believed in God just like I believed in Santa Clause until a certain age..

Even when you have all of these reasons not to believe it is really hard to cross the line when you grew up being told that it is all true.. it is difficult to explain..

It leaves a bit of its filth on you as well... leaves you with feelings of guilt that are disguised as other things. if that makes sense..

BTW.. Recerboy, I finally got into some Bodhi..

Sunshine Daydream (6)
Silver Mountain ( 8 .. )
White Lotus (5)
Goji OG (2)
...all females..

Also have 2 Silver Mountain males I plan to make some seed stock from..

I don't know what the hell took me so long to get into some packs of Bodhi..?

I'm thinking among those 21 females I should find 1 or 2 killer mothers to keep around for a while..

I'm back on RIU a little more now.. I think I learned how to not let the trolls get to me, you know? Glad to be back.. feels like home..

HeartIandhank said:

Well, if you are going to argue on the credibility of a book written a long time ago.. ..

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But see, hank...I'm not arguing. I don't see respectful discussion, even of different povs, as having to be an argument.

Agree...disagree...make your points....as long as it's all done w/o the obligatory denigrations that some automatically insert, where's the friction? Pass the joint....on with the 'conversation' friends.

Man you are going to have fun with that Bodhi gear!

The thing is, religion seems to trump basic logic for some, including those who I love. In no where else in someone's practical life would anyone believe in magic and fairytale.

racerboy71 said:

why not question it? if something makes absolutely no sense to me, idc what it is, i question it..
and how come religious people have no problem not questioning the things in the bible, but when it comes to stuff like evolution, all of a sudden they start questioning things?

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Re: evolution - my understanding is that there were a bunch of molecules and gasses drifting around the universe, and at some point the precise ingredients collided in a precise way to precisely begin the spark of ' life' - all the cells and organs of every living thing being the eventual result. Is that correct?

With all due respect...... One of my best friends for many years was a jeweler / watch repairer. He subscribed to atheism and evolution. I was in his shop one day when he had a nice timepiece halfway apart, and I asked him: 'if you put all the pieces of this watch in a small box, how many times would you have to shake the box before all the parts collided in the precise way that made them become a timepiece?'

I never got an answer to that, much less a demonstration.

Amos Otis said:

Re: evolution - my understanding is that there were a bunch of molecules and gasses drifting around the universe, and at some point the precise ingredients collided in a precise way to precisely begin the spark of ' life' - all the cells and organs of every living thing being the eventual result. Is that correct?

With all due respect...... One of my best friends for many years was a jeweler / watch repairer. He subscribed to atheism and evolution. I was in his shop one day when he had a nice timepiece halfway apart, and I asked him: 'if you put all the pieces of this watch in a small box, how many times would you have to shake the box before all the parts collided in the precise way that made them become a timepiece?'

I never got an answer to that, much less a demonstration.

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Ah man, the tired watchmakers argument for religion. It's as if they can't fathom what 14 billion years is to humans existence of a mere two hundred thousand....

Amos Otis said:

Re: evolution - my understanding is that there were a bunch of molecules and gasses drifting around the universe, and at some point the precise ingredients collided in a precise way to precisely begin the spark of ' life' - all the cells and organs of every living thing being the eventual result. Is that correct?

With all due respect...... One of my best friends for many years was a jeweler / watch repairer. He subscribed to atheism and evolution. I was in his shop one day when he had a nice timepiece halfway apart, and I asked him: 'if you put all the pieces of this watch in a small box, how many times would you have to shake the box before all the parts collided in the precise way that made them become a timepiece?'

I never got an answer to that, much less a demonstration.

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think you're confusing the big bang with evolution..

racerboy71 said:

think you're confusing the big bang with evolution..

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The watchmakers argument tends not to understand the history of the universe. It's more like a cute analogy to seem clever or thought-provoking

Amos Otis said:

No kidding! Please share all of them.



Please list all of these crooked strains.

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From my own experience… Jack The Ripper hermie from hell… Deep Purple 1/5 non mutant female that threw nanners. Plushberry so many hermies, Ace so many hermies.. I've not paid any attention to TGA gear for well over a year so I know I'm forgetting so much garbage but I don't know anyone popping TGA for over a year so I can't speak on all the new garbage, but I wouldn't let a friend grow any that is for sure, especially when there are so many good breeders out that wouldn't let shit strains out.

TonightYou said:

Ah man, the tired watchmakers argument for religion. It's as if they can't fathom what 14 billion years is to humans existence of a mere two hundred thousand....

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Yet, you didn't counter the point, did you?

racerboy71 said:

think you're confusing the big bang with evolution..

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Does not one beget the other?

TonightYou said:

The watchmakers argument tends not to understand the history of the universe. It's more like a cute analogy to seem clever or thought-provoking

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Oh, hey man....I sure don't want to feign 'clever' - I'm ready for enlightenment. Please.....dish on this 'history of the universe' that differs from 'big bang' begets evolution'.

Thanks in advance.

Grojak said:

From my own experience… Jack The Ripper hermie from hell… Deep Purple 1/5 non mutant female that threw nanners. Plushberry so many hermies, Ace so many hermies.. I've not paid any attention to TGA gear for well over a year so I know I'm forgetting so much garbage but I don't know anyone popping TGA for over a year so I can't speak on all the new garbage, but I wouldn't let a friend grow any that is for sure, especially when there are so many good breeders out that wouldn't let shit strains out.

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Thanks for the reply. It completely differs from my own experience of 8 strains / no hermies / fine smoke. Lo siento for your own experiences.

racerboy71 said:

dude, seriously think about it.. how the hell can anyone be born to a virgin? in order to have a baby, one must have sex.. do you know of a single person, outside of these lists, who ever had a baby without having sex first/? doesn't this send up huge red flags about anything else they claim? if not, why not?

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Well they did make a show about a pregnant virgin.. Maybe some dude had just finished jerking off while mary was sleeping and he decided to finger the sleeping whore and she amazingly got pregnant.

I'll quote David Hume on the watchmaker fallacy

"It is only when two species of objects are found to be constantly conjoined, that we can infer the one from the other . . . If experience and observation and analogy be, indeed, the only guides which we can reasonably follow in inference of this nature; both the effect and cause must bear a similarity and resemblance to other effects and causes . . . which we have found, in many instances, to be conjoined with another . . . [The proponents of the argument] always suppose the universe, an effect quite singular and unparalleled, to be the proof of a Deity, a cause no less singular and unparalleled."

With regards to the universe, I'll use Republicans new line "I'm not a scientist"....

I'm actually not, perhaps a social scientist to a degree but there is an awesome book by Dr. Hawkins who explains a lot about what we believe we know and questions we still are seeking. That's the beauty of science, trying to further understand the world around us.