LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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its a big fat 611nm spike typicial of most commerical (cheap) tri-band phosphors. From the SPD alone it looks like the average 6500k with a little less green than average which would lend the pink/purplish hue rather than the more properly blended white output from a bulb with equal spikes in RGB. I kinda think it was a message when the two Fiji Purps I ordered both arrived broken in two... I think someone was telling me not to waste the slots in my fixture on em, I kinda got soured by KZ's shadiness in refusing to release their data, I think we know why! Thomaz Pohl of KZ, sir you can cram your $30 bulbs up your cram hole!

Thanks again to Blueb for getting this chart done

My florasuns and roseates are finally on the way :)
Im still getting dicked with by hellolights about my redsuns, every time I call em they say that they've tracked their shipment from UVL and their pallet is arriving the next day so it should ship to me the day after... for almost two weeks now :-/
 
Right, he didn't want everyone to know that he is selling a p.o.s. bulb for premium prices! That's the little secret! some people
 
I thought the flora sun was are replacement for the red sun. So if not then we have to keep buying red suns untill we get some that stay alive. I realy need some red in my light.
Is this the only way to get the t5 in red??
 
C.Indica said:
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I didn't mention any "Red Life" anything,
I said RedSun's.

I'm hesitant on those FloroSun's, as they simply look like 5000k bulbs..
If anything maybe a 6400k tube, or a supplementary 40w 5000k bulb on the side,
I'm just not convinced on those FloroSun's..
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Red Sun and Red Life are the same. Very confusing
 
BlueB Can you post or PM a pic of your FloraSuns? ZooMed asked for one. I sent mine, clearly showing they look mostly white, def no pink hue. If you could take a photo of them in pink, it might help. So far they ain't buying it.

''Here's the photo I sent them. The label is clearly visible on the FloraSuns. First bulb at top is FS then Red Life then CW then FS

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I found some red suns on ebay and bought 2 more... not really happy with them myself, as they tend to die, but what ever... it's all we have for nearer red tones right now.

I know the larger LED units advise a good distance from the plants, but I know I've seen some T5 bulb replacing LED strips as well. Since the LEDs are distributed thinly, are those rated for closer to the plant so you could keep the fixture close so the fluoros still do something? Anyone know of anything like this that hits the right red spectrums?
 
Undercover Cop said:
its a big fat 611nm spike typicial of most commerical (cheap) tri-band phosphors. From the SPD alone it looks like the average 6500k with a little less green than average which would lend the pink/purplish hue rather than the more properly blended white output from a bulb with equal spikes in RGB. I kinda think it was a message when the two Fiji Purps I ordered both arrived broken in two... I think someone was telling me not to waste the slots in my fixture on em, I kinda got soured by KZ's shadiness in refusing to release their data, I think we know why! Thomaz Pohl of KZ, sir you can cram your $30 bulbs up your cram hole!

Thanks again to Blueb for getting this chart done
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Much thanks to both of you! Mr Pohl can kiss my ass!
 
Just got an email, they're backordered on the red suns through this ebay vendor too. False advertising drives me nuts. I told him to refund for now...
 
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Im still waiting on my florasuns, but from the pics Im seeing they definately look pinkish. Remember the Red Sun is almost pure 630nm red, where the FS is still RGB so it will be more whitish by definition, I think they're rated at 5500k like commercial tubes, they just have a wider swatch of red which covers 610-660 where commercial tubes have a peak at 610 only. If you're trying to increase overall red output you'll need red suns, cuz for every FS you add you're adding its red AND blue so you're not increasing your ratio of red vs blue, its holding equal. I will use FS's in the same place as I was using 6500k's or 3000k's
 
They don't look that pink in person, I think it's the camera making them look redder. UC can you post a photo of your aquamedic plantgrow next to a flora sun when you get those? I will get on another photo of these.
 
So due to research I've been doing,
I've decided that ultimately for my bloom room I'll be going with an "EYE Hortilux Blue MH"..

I REALLY like T5, but based on replacement cost for a full wave of PAR T5's,
especially with the short life of T5-VHO (Such as those RedSun's)

I just can't afford a ~$150 wave of bulbs to be replaced so often.
I don't grow for profit, I just self supply.

However, I will be getting a single T5 bulb to supplement some strong Blues,
to be paired with a standard 6400k T5HO bulb.

Anybody have a suggestion?
I'm thinking the SuperActinic T5, but will this spectrum mix well with a 6400k @ 50/50 ratio,
for a strong Vegetative/Mother light?
 
BlueB thank you for all your hard work here. It is very hard for me lately to keep up with all the activity here. I am online reading the thread and appreciate everyones hard work. This thread has grown into its own and i thank everyone for their contributions. I do enjoy the latest and greatest bud porn. I am happy to say i will be traveling back to Europe shortly, Amsterdam and Spain :) I will share pictures and notes :)
I did receive my beautiful seeds sensi mix A&B(green house seeds) sent regular post mixed with glass beads ;) Since that was a test run i am sure i will have no problems shipping the same way again. Hello space cake!
I am still trying to find a 24 bulb T5 fixture i definitely dont want to make one !!! Although it looks like i may have to just bite the bullet and get 2 16 bulb bad boys.... :wall:
There are some bulbs in Amsterdam that have blown me away as far as HID goes..
Plasma may be my next investment :fire: I do love my T5 but again im all about the experimentation and trying to make things better for the community.
 
C.Indica said:
So due to research I've been doing,
I've decided that ultimately for my bloom room I'll be going with an "EYE Hortilux Blue MH"..

I REALLY like T5, but based on replacement cost for a full wave of PAR T5's,
especially with the short life of T5-VHO (Such as those RedSun's)

I just can't afford a ~$150 wave of bulbs to be replaced so often.
I don't grow for profit, I just self supply.

However, I will be getting a single T5 bulb to supplement some strong Blues,
to be paired with a standard 6400k T5HO bulb.

Anybody have a suggestion?
I'm thinking the SuperActinic T5, but will this spectrum mix well with a 6400k @ 50/50 ratio,
for a strong Vegetative/Mother light?
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If you don't already have T5 fixtures, I would get a couple 2 bulb fixtures to parallel your hortilux. Consider 2 Red Suns (or 1 RS + 1 FloraSun) and 2 Coral Waves for flower and ~ 2 Super Actinics for veg, possibly keep 1 for flower too
 
OK I just got off the phone with UVL Lighting. I asked if there was a dealer I could purchase red suns from that are of a new stock, because I am tired of sending back the defective ones. I talked to Jeff and told him I got 3 red suns from Hello lights and they are all bad. He sead there are no new shipments out. He is waiting on a shipment from the manufacturer .

800-435-7779

Now the good news, he is going to send me 3 new bulbs when the new shipment gets in. No charge to me.
More good news, all he asked me was my address. No Prof of sale or anything like that.
I wish I had toled him I bought 6 from hello lights.

Just tell the girl on the phone you need to talk to Jeff, in aquarium lights.
 
falcon223 said:
OK I just got off the phone with UVL Lighting. I asked if there was a dealer I could purchase red suns from that are of a new stock, because I am tired of sending back the defective ones. I talked to Jeff and told him I got 3 red suns from Hello lights and they are all bad. He sead there are no new shipments out. He is waiting on a shipment from the manufacturer .

800-435-7779

Now the good news, he is going to send me 3 new bulbs when the new shipment gets in. No charge to me.
More good news, all he asked me was my address. No Prof of sale or anything like that.
I wish I had toled him I bought 6 from hello lights.

Just tell the girl on the phone you need to talk to Jeff, in aquarium lights.
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So the guy did you a solid nd treated you fair with good customer service and then you wished you would have lied to him and taken advantage?

What a guy.
 
For you guys doing production grows. You will 100% want to rethink your bulb choices here and the reason for using T5's. Stick to bulbs that are under $10 or you will be hurting in he end.

Scrog and trim all bottom growth or you will be extremely disappointed.

Always keep a 6500k bulb mixed in with your 2700-3000k bulbs during flower as it helps create a budget seekers Par.

5 plants per 16 bulbs (badboy size) and you can def hit 2-3z per plant.


Bulb choice for the budget conscience is as follows. All are 48" T5 HO bulbs

Zoomed Flora Suns $9

Home Depot 4100k bulbs $9

HTGSupply 2900k bulbs $8

Htgsupply (grow bulbs) $8

Ushio 3000k $6.

Quantum Hort Bloom and Grow bulbs $10
 
No I sead I wished I had told him more bulbs, Did not say I really would do that. I am way to honest to lie.


But I have to say he has the best customer service I have ever seen.
 
Lucius, what are you saying? That is not PAR growing. but if it can get 2 OZ a plant I would like to see pic of what you have grown.
I have spent a lot on bulbs, and most where on the cheap side. Still looking for the red bulb that will put T5 in the growers choice book.
I am having fun with this T5 stuff. just a bit expensive, but then this hobby is like any other. Time consuming and expensive.
 
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