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PadawanBater

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ViRedd said:
If we, through our democratic process, voted in leaders that lobbed missiles into Canada, and Canada retaliated by attacking our infrastructure, with whom does the fault lie for the ensuing civilian deaths and the carnage on our side of the border?

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The fault lies with the leaders of our country, in your scenario. Thing is, that's not exctly how it went down.

Howbout if we, through our democratic process, voted in leaders, then that election wasn't recognized by the rest of the world, Canada held a blockade around the United States ensuring limited supplies reach millions of people, while no supplies reached millions more, the Canadian air force launched air strikes into MN, MT, and WA on targets that their intelligence deemed 'threats', "accidentally" killed a couple hundred American civilians in the process. So howbout in that scenario, whose the fault lie with, Canda or the US? Would it be wrong for us to retaliate in that instance? Is Canada really 'protecting' or 'defending' themselves? Hmm... :idea:
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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So, engineeredweed ...

How does calling fellow members here "idiots" and "cunts" strengthen your arguments?

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ViRedd

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Does Israel have the right to exist? Does Israel have the right to defend herself?

The people of Gaza voted for their Hamas leaders in a democratic election. Hamas is a terrorist organization spurred on by Iran. Hamas fighters lob missiles into Israel, then the cowards hide inside civilian homes and among the general population. Israel zeros in on the Hamas terrorists and civilians are killed. The New York Times shows a Palestinian father holding his dead child ... then blames Israel. Israel is retaliating for their citizens being killed by rockets sent in by Hamas. Israel is doing what we should have done after our Marine Corp barracks were destroyed along with 246 American lives.

Why are so many on this board defending the enemy?

Where am I wrong ... please set me straight.

Thanks ...

Vi
 
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ViRedd said:
Does Israel have the right to exist? Does Israel have the right to defend herself?

The people of Gaza voted for their Hamas leaders in a democratic election. Hamas is a terrorist organization spurred on by Iran. Hamas fighters lob missiles into Israel, then the cowards hide inside civilian homes and among the general population. Israel zeros in on the Hamas terrorists and civilians are killed. The New York Times shows a Palestinian father holding his dead child ... then blames Israel. Israel is retaliating for their citizens being killed by rockets sent in by Hamas. Israel is doing what we should have done after our Marine Corp barracks were destroyed along with 246 American lives.

Why are so many on this board defending the enemy?

Where am I wrong ... please set me straight.

Thanks ...

Vi
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sup VI im sending you a PM check it in a min
 
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engineeredweed

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ViRedd said:
Does Israel have the right to exist? Does Israel have the right to defend herself?

The people of Gaza voted for their Hamas leaders in a democratic election. Hamas is a terrorist organization spurred on by Iran. Hamas fighters lob missiles into Israel, then the cowards hide inside civilian homes and among the general population. Israel zeros in on the Hamas terrorists and civilians are killed. The New York Times shows a Palestinian father holding his dead child ... then blames Israel. Israel is retaliating for their citizens being killed by rockets sent in by Hamas. Israel is doing what we should have done after our Marine Corp barracks were destroyed along with 246 American lives.

Why are so many on this board defending the enemy?

Where am I wrong ... please set me straight.

Thanks ...

Vi
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Mossad put hamas where they are now... simple fact.
 
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MrJDGaF

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Everyone conveniently forgets that Jews brought terrorism to the Middle East before anyone else...King David Hotel anyone?

We (British) should never have given in to their terrorist demands for a country of their own, let alone giving them heavy water for illegal nukes!:wall:

Are they not in breach of more UN resolutions than any other Middle Eastern country?

I hope Iran builds lots of nukes and then Israel won't be the only country in the ME with illegal WMD.
 
TheBrutalTruth

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engineeredweed said:
Or so the lies in the history books would have you believe. Just like the IQ's of black people are supposedly lower than that of the whites and hence all blacks are stupid. IQ tests are based upon knowledge and are therefore impractical for measuring real intelligence. :leaf:
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What, are you denying the fact that blacks were enslaving blacks to sell the the Europeans, before the America's were colonized?

What's next? Are you going to deny the holocaust, too?

Or what about the fact that Rome went into the ME, 2000 - 1800 Years ago and enslaved the Persians, and then there were the Greeks (Macedonians under Alexander the Great) before that, and the Egyptians before that. There were the Persians during and after the Romans.

Slavery, forced labor, involuntary servitude has been in existence for a very long time, before the recent abolishment of it. Though it is still practiced in some countries of the Middle East where poor people sell their children to wealthier people in order to provide a better life for their children. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-slavery8-2009jan08,0,1440842.story

It's not even in the history books, it's still happening.

Wait, let me guess, you're about to say that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by volunteers... Yeah, I don't see it.

Wait, maybe you believe it was aliens that helped the Egyptians...
 
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TheBrutalTruth said:
What, are you denying the fact that blacks were enslaving blacks to sell the the Europeans, before the America's were colonized?

What's next? Are you going to deny the holocaust, too?

Or what about the fact that Rome went into the ME, 2000 - 1800 Years ago and enslaved the Persians, and then there were the Greeks (Macedonians under Alexander the Great) before that, and the Egyptians before that. There were the Persians during and after the Romans.

Slavery, forced labor, involuntary servitude has been in existence for a very long time, before the recent abolishment of it. Though it is still practiced in some countries of the Middle East where poor people sell their children to wealthier people in order to provide a better life for their children. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-slavery8-2009jan08,0,1440842.story

It's not even in the history books, it's still happening.

Wait, let me guess, you're about to say that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by volunteers... Yeah, I don't see it.

Wait, maybe you believe it was aliens that helped the Egyptians...
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Where was i talking about slaves you idiot? Moron.
 
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engineeredweed

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I don't deny the holocaust.. i do deny the magnitude of it.. however i could easily be wrong.. unless i was there to count every person that was murdered.. you nor i can do that.
 
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I have relatives that were eye witnesses to the concentration camps. I believe them. They would have no reason to lie.
 
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engineeredweed

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im not denying the concentration camps. My point is that many people from other backgrounds.. russians, gypsies etc were killed as well. The jewish deaths were just over exagerated so israel could be justified by the criminal zionists.

from: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

"Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta. There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate."
 
TheBrutalTruth

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engineeredweed said:
im not denying the concentration camps. My point is that many people from other backgrounds.. russians, gypsies etc were killed as well. The jewish deaths were just over exagerated so israel could be justified by the criminal zionists.

from: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

"Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta. There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate."
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Estimates place the total number of people killed at 10 Million, 6 Million of those were Jews, with the remained belonging to the groups that you itemized make up the balance.

Victims Killed Source Jews 5.9 million [29] Soviet POWs 2–3 million [30] Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million [31][32] Roma 220,000–500,000 [33] Disabled 200,000–250,000 [34] Freemasons 80,000–200,000 [35] Homosexuals 5,000–15,000 [36] Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000 [37]
You state that the numbers were exaggerated, but even if those numbers were reduced by half the end result would be that the Jewish were the ones that primarily suffered from the Holocaust, with Soviet POWs (being soldiers of a state that Germany was fighting) and Poles making up the majority of the balance.

And besides, the people that you are quoting are expressing their opinions, not actual facts. Their opinion is that Israel is an illegitimate government. Good for them. They can time travel back to the 1930s - 1940s and talk to Winston Churchill, and tell him that they do not want their own state.
 
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MrJDGaF

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Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva ​

  1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
    a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
    b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
    c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
  2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
  3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
    a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
    b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
    c) No ransom will be paid
  4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
  5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
  6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
  7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
  8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
  9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
  10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
 
TheBrutalTruth

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MrJDGaF said:
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva ​

  1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
    a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
    b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
    c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
  2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
  3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
    a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
    b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
    c) No ransom will be paid
  4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
  5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
  6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
  7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
  8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
  9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
  10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
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Strange, normally you only ask questions, because you don't know the answers, and thus if you don't know the answers through first hand (as opposed to third hand) knowledge then you are only expressing your opinions and thoughts when you provide what you think the answers are.

Though, they are interesting questions, and not ones that I know the answers to.

As far as a reply to my previous post, it still does little to address the issue that when that group calls Israel a state that should not legally exist they are expressing their opinion, and nothing based on facts when it comes to that opinion.

Now, they might have facts that support their opinion, but that does not mean that it is nothing but an opinion.
 
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MrJDGaF

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I'll remember that next time I'm in front of a judge, assuming there are no witnesses any other evidence (signed confession etc.) is just the Plods opinion. Do you think I'll get off?
 
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