Lighting questions.. Considering LED over hps/mh combo

rwbrock

rwbrock

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dude I cannot stress enough before you invest in any LED you go to the LED section in this forum and do lots of reading and post there. I read and read and then read some more because as you know $500.00 plus to drop on a LED is a lot. To be honest in all my reading I did not hear good things about LG (Ebay) LED, any decent light runs in that $400 plus range unless your looking at the hans panels which are only 60/80 watt and as you noticed they do not have much coverage. Anything that is 3x less than the AREA 51 is not going to be quality. You get what you pay for and AREA 51 has a 10 year warranty. As far as the spectrum those AREA 51 lights are built to grow and you don't have to have the red spectrums for flower. The 190 is a NICE light for veg or flower. There is a def pecking order when it comes to these LED lights right now Apache being top dog and most expensive, Area 51 falls just behind them with hans being a good panels too. Just look at the grow journals and see what people are using and what is working for them.

For exhaust you would just need the one inline fan pulling air though your filter with a passive intake. Not saying DCobeen is wrong here, I would have to read more about that light and check out 420 mag I guess to form a better opinion.....but to be fair guy is trying to become a whole seller and push a specific product to ya. This forum is one of the best when it comes to LED info with lots of growers posting journals use that info to your advantage and who knows maybe you decide for now the 600 is your best bang for the buck still for what your trying to do.
 
jartlow

jartlow

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rwbrock said:
dude I cannot stress enough before you invest in any LED you go to the LED section in this forum and do lots of reading and post there. I read and read and then read some more because as you know $500.00 plus to drop on a LED is a lot. To be honest in all my reading I did not hear good things about LG (Ebay) LED, any decent light runs in that $400 plus range unless your looking at the hans panels which are only 60/80 watt and as you noticed they do not have much coverage. Anything that is 3x less than the AREA 51 is not going to be quality. You get what you pay for and AREA 51 has a 10 year warranty. As far as the spectrum those AREA 51 lights are built to grow and you don't have to have the red spectrums for flower. The 190 is a NICE light for veg or flower. There is a def pecking order when it comes to these LED lights right now Apache being top dog and most expensive, Area 51 falls just behind them with hans being a good panels too. Just look at the grow journals and see what people are using and what is working for them.

For exhaust you would just need the one inline fan pulling air though your filter with a passive intake. Not saying DCobeen is wrong here, I would have to read more about that light and check out 420 mag I guess to form a better opinion.....but to be fair guy is trying to become a whole seller and push a specific product to ya. This forum is one of the best when it comes to LED info with lots of growers posting journals use that info to your advantage and who knows maybe you decide for now the 600 is your best bang for the buck still for what your trying to do.
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I contacted area51. They suggested me getting four panels. I believe I'm going to get 2 190s and go from there. Obviously you cannot research enough so I plan to keep looking at journals etc.. I see a ton of success with 51s and I hope to replicate the success I have seen. Thank you so much!

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DCobeen

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rwbrock said:
dude I cannot stress enough before you invest in any LED you go to the LED section in this forum and do lots of reading and post there. I read and read and then read some more because as you know $500.00 plus to drop on a LED is a lot. To be honest in all my reading I did not hear good things about LG (Ebay) LED, any decent light runs in that $400 plus range unless your looking at the hans panels which are only 60/80 watt and as you noticed they do not have much coverage. Anything that is 3x less than the AREA 51 is not going to be quality. You get what you pay for and AREA 51 has a 10 year warranty. As far as the spectrum those AREA 51 lights are built to grow and you don't have to have the red spectrums for flower. The 190 is a NICE light for veg or flower. There is a def pecking order when it comes to these LED lights right now Apache being top dog and most expensive, Area 51 falls just behind them with hans being a good panels too. Just look at the grow journals and see what people are using and what is working for them.

For exhaust you would just need the one inline fan pulling air though your filter with a passive intake. Not saying DCobeen is wrong here, I would have to read more about that light and check out 420 mag I guess to form a better opinion.....but to be fair guy is trying to become a whole seller and push a specific product to ya. This forum is one of the best when it comes to LED info with lots of growers posting journals use that info to your advantage and who knows maybe you decide for now the 600 is your best bang for the buck still for what your trying to do.
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yes i agree be skeptical. this is hard earned money. and yes if you have a few thousand sitting around buy the area51. but dotn go to ebay and buy a china led and expect it to work right. im talking about 1 company lg-ledsolutions. they use the other top 3 lights also . they will custom make you what you want with 3 yr warranty. they have worked with 420mag to make a great led panel for a good price. im telling all if you are rich buy area51 if you are like me get a great light that will produce just as much yield and quality for less money. the area 51 has better warranty and you can upgrade the diodes. now the marsII uses 5 watt diodes at 70% power or so which means 2.9 watts output from each diode. they also allow you to add uvb and more 660 nm in if you are just using for flower/bloom. lg-led stepped up and listened to 420mag growers. of coarse you can buy an off the shelf pre made systemfrom lg-led and do around 1 gram per watt with it. or you can custom and do 1.2 grams per watt. my only downfall on the area 51 is no uvb offering. uvb is huge if you want the best bud period. or does area 51 offer uvb???
 
jartlow

jartlow

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rwbrock said:
dude I cannot stress enough before you invest in any LED you go to the LED section in this forum and do lots of reading and post there. I read and read and then read some more because as you know $500.00 plus to drop on a LED is a lot. To be honest in all my reading I did not hear good things about LG (Ebay) LED, any decent light runs in that $400 plus range unless your looking at the hans panels which are only 60/80 watt and as you noticed they do not have much coverage. Anything that is 3x less than the AREA 51 is not going to be quality. You get what you pay for and AREA 51 has a 10 year warranty. As far as the spectrum those AREA 51 lights are built to grow and you don't have to have the red spectrums for flower. The 190 is a NICE light for veg or flower. There is a def pecking order when it comes to these LED lights right now Apache being top dog and most expensive, Area 51 falls just behind them with hans being a good panels too. Just look at the grow journals and see what people are using and what is working for them.

For exhaust you would just need the one inline fan pulling air though your filter with a passive intake. Not saying DCobeen is wrong here, I would have to read more about that light and check out 420 mag I guess to form a better opinion.....but to be fair guy is trying to become a whole seller and push a specific product to ya. This forum is one of the best when it comes to LED info with lots of growers posting journals use that info to your advantage and who knows maybe you decide for now the 600 is your best bang for the buck still for what your trying to do.
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Does the area51 supply UVB?.. If not do you supply it with something else during your grow?

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DCobeen

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yes i would use a reptile 10.0 uvb desert bulb 4 hrs a day. the diff in quality is big time. even my ufo has it. i dont have my ufo plugged in yet. wanted to too test a few smaller fill in lights/led. and yes in spring when i buy my 4x4x8 tent im getting a lg-ledsolution 900 watt led. custom so it will only do flower/bloom which means less blue and more red. my ufo and 4 othe smaller leds will be for side lighting ect. dont get me wrong i like area 51 they make a great product but they charge way to much. their 190 watt model should be $350 max. but its the American way screw other Americans so you can live a bigger house ect.
 
rwbrock

rwbrock

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This will be my first run with the area51. Put the 400 hps on the shelf. From what I hear costs of led are coming down in the next year. We will see, starting to see it for house lighting now. No UVB in Area 51 lights. I ran 4 of the cfl type UVB bulbs last grow with my 400. Couldn't really tell you if it did much besides create lots of heat. It's hard to say as I switched strains no comparison. I read up on it and posted here to some guys who use them and it was recommended to use t5 type and my little ones wouldn't do much. Some people run metal halide in flower (glass out of hood) to get UVB. I can tell you I grow outdoor too and notice a lot more resin and trichs a frostier plant from UVB from the sun. It's all fun to geek out on but keeping it simple is the best way sometimes. The wave of led growing is coming there is just a lot of bad info out there right now. I just grow a couple plants now for personal and the hobby so knowing I just needed the one light made the decision easier. Good luck and keep us posted on what you choose.
 
DCobeen

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yeah you will like the led you got. now dont put it too close follow there directions for distance. your plants will drop if you are too close they wont burn just droop almost like over water does to them. im testing the small leds i have for distance and they like 18 inches, next week ill add my 180 watt ufo into the mix it has ir/uv and im sure 20 inches will be about right since its 3 watt diodes. i so want a big led panel 900watt think its 540 actual watts used. this spring after this harvest ill sell enough to get it.
 
jartlow

jartlow

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rwbrock said:
This will be my first run with the area51. Put the 400 hps on the shelf. From what I hear costs of led are coming down in the next year. We will see, starting to see it for house lighting now. No UVB in Area 51 lights. I ran 4 of the cfl type UVB bulbs last grow with my 400. Couldn't really tell you if it did much besides create lots of heat. It's hard to say as I switched strains no comparison. I read up on it and posted here to some guys who use them and it was recommended to use t5 type and my little ones wouldn't do much. Some people run metal halide in flower (glass out of hood) to get UVB. I can tell you I grow outdoor too and notice a lot more resin and trichs a frostier plant from UVB from the sun. It's all fun to geek out on but keeping it simple is the best way sometimes. The wave of led growing is coming there is just a lot of bad info out there right now. I just grow a couple plants now for personal and the hobby so knowing I just needed the one light made the decision easier. Good luck and keep us posted on what you choose.
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This question goes for both of you but is there a LED UVB I could use that you would recommend that's relatively cheaper than area51. I mean something smaller like maybe a UFO that I could run strictly to provide UVB? I really don't wanna run a mh unless I have to and CFLs are tempting but you mentioned that you didn't notice a difference when using them.

I believe I'm going to buy two area51 190s on the 21st.

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jartlow

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DCobeen said:
lg-led can custom make you a light. they make ufo's. you can message them. i wouldnt go pure uvb range i would try and see if they can mix it up with like 6 uvb 390nm in with the others you want. now a 390 will bleed down to 370 and up to 410 with white light led in it also. im not sure how low they will go with led if they have a 330 uvb/uva also. now running this light spectrum means you need good sunglasses to enter the room. if you can get the uv index to around 5.0 then you can run them 12 hours a day. my ufo has 1 uvb at 380 nm. but i have it at 9 spectrum. its a good light for 4 medium size plants with my other 4 led's i hang in with it i can get 170 actual led watts. and with a cfl side lighting i should be able to get 200 - 240 grams of dry nugs. when i order my 900 watt im gonna have 6 uvb at 380 and the rest focusing on bloom but with a few blue and white and ir also. you want to hit the photosynthesis a/b in the 400's and the 600's when you do that you will grow better. and lg-led is focusing on that now.
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I was hoping to stay american... what price range would I be looking at for a uvb led.. I understand I probably don't want a full uvb so if you could give me the customized preference of what I should ask for.. that'd be great

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rwbrock

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Are we talking about $380 vs $495 (w/discount code)? Free shipping, no tax and longer warranty for a product made in the USA? Oh wait no UVB?? lol Sorry we are beating a dead horse comparing the two lights....Shaded 420 you hit it on the head bro. I was curious to the Mars 2 light after DCBeen posts. Well, I found some interesting info on this light and this poster. Seems he spams other forums with this same info (Jr Saw)....So why are you getting banned on other forums? Jartlow a simple google search should set you strait on this light and poster. Shame he does have some knowledge just using it for the wrong reasons another reason why LED is getting a bad name.
 
DCobeen

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i got the email info from his post. i seen 2 grows on 420mag with them. to be honest it dont matter, if you want to blow you money go ahead just trying to help not start a fight. i have no control over jr being banned from other sites. i jsut know these lights work are less money. unless a better light comes out for a far price im buying a 900 watt lg-led in a couple months. they are 5 watt running at 3 watt power they yield over 1 gram per actual watt. and the 380nm is uvb. the area 51 is 3 watt diode running at 2 watt has no uvb range in their light setup. sure you can upgrade them for a price. and to be honest i dont htink i would be using the same light in 3 years. tech changes fast so in 2 years they will have a way better light. and the $380 price is old price they are less now. leds getting a bad name from what? do they work? do they grow great buds? yes. do you own an area51? they are good lights if you want to pay more.

edit and you can customize your lights with lg-led area 51 you have to buy 100 to get them custom.
 
jartlow

jartlow

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rwbrock said:
Are we talking about $380 vs $495 (w/discount code)? Free shipping, no tax and longer warranty for a product made in the USA? Oh wait no UVB?? lol Sorry we are beating a dead horse comparing the two lights....Shaded 420 you hit it on the head bro. I was curious to the Mars 2 light after DCBeen posts. Well, I found some interesting info on this light and this poster. Seems he spams other forums with this same info (Jr Saw)....So why are you getting banned on other forums? Jartlow a simple google search should set you strait on this light and poster. Shame he does have some knowledge just using it for the wrong reasons another reason why LED is getting a bad name.
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Right.. my post about wanting a UVB supplement started specifically with american made.. I'm not trying to knock dcobeen or lgled. I just prefer to buy from a company in America. I do understand some American companies outsource their labor and lights to foreign countries. I just prefer an american based company to deal with warranties and quality. sorry for the confusion

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