Long term Storage of Mothers/Clones? How do I save these Genetics?

smokey de bear

smokey de bear

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Thedillestpickle said:
Yea... I thought of that. It's just going to have to hold its breath lol
I guess I can only hope that the plant's metabolism is slowed down so much that it doesn't use up all the CO2, or I will have to find a way to bring in CO2 or create some. Maybe a wick dipped in vinegar that slowly wicks the vinegar into a bowl of bicarbonate. It woud be impossible to really control the rate of CO2 release though. Hard to come up with a 3 month solution. Perhaps creating an air-leak in the door's seal is the best option.

Smokey your making this sounds like I'm going to need a PhD to make this work! Did you say you do treeplanting? where do you plant trees?
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I plant out west also wherever and whenever for whoever calls lol, No need for PhD's no more there's google lol

Sorry double post, I didn't see your question when i first replied.
 
Thedillestpickle

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I'm not going to freeze it smokey, just keep it cold, like 35-39F cold. I think it will put it close enough to "suspended animation" to hold on for some time. I almost wonder if the 13 watts CFL light is too much, maybe I should put something over it to dim it and slow the metabolism even further. Or just move the plant futher away.

Actually freezing it would probably simply kill it. I may be able to bring it below freezing temperatures though, but that depends on what temperature marijuana sap freezes at, I'm guessing it wouldnt be very much lower than the freezing point of water.

A few mentions of tissue cultures eh? That sounds like it would be reeeeally hard to do. Where does a node decide to grow out of a tissue culture? How do you ever get a plant from a tissue culture? sounds hard

If it's still looking perky in another month I think we can assume there's some hope, maybe I will remove some of the seal along the door to let a small amount of fresh air in, and that should hold it off during the 3 months I'm gone.

Any predictions?
 
SFguy

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im subscribed.. and i do think you smoke alot, not too much weed =) i wanna come plant trees
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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smokey de bear said:
I plant out west also wherever and whenever for whoever calls lol, No need for PhD's no more there's google lol

Sorry double post, I didn't see your question when i first replied.
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Thats cool man, I love it. Did 2 seasons out west in Canada, and 1 season down under in Australia.
So I'll just assume you live/plant in the US? What states have the most planting happening?
BC is the big one here, but Alberta is a money maker, flatter ground, less rocks, easier specs.
If I ever get around to it I am planning to build a planting shovel with a built in shock absorber made from a suspension bike seat post. Let me know if you want to buy one! I'll let you know how the prototype turns out. I hate the fucky feeling I get in my elbow when I'm pounding

SFguy, you wanna get in the best shape of your life? go treeplanting dude, I gained 30 pounds of muscle last summer not joking Most people lose weight though... you gotta eat alot of food when your planting or you'll shrink
 
XRagnorX

XRagnorX

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I predict it will grow into that light in 10 days..... and mold to death in 45 if the fridge is not ventilated.

I am intrigued by the solution to your problem, but I do not believe this is the answer.

I would plant as many as possible in secure outdoor locations for sure. Other than that you need someone you can trust to care for your plant.
Watering is the real issue. I see more of a box long and narrow with a T12 florescent separated from the plant by a sheet of plexiglass. The entire bottom of the enclosure is 4 or six inches deep in decent well draining soil. The open area of the grow space would be 12"x14"x48" roughly. The plant would be planted at one far end of the enclosure and bent toward the other end. Vent holes (very small holes) would have to be in both ends of the enclosure. Now you need to work out how much water will be required to just keep the soil from drying out. You then hook up a sprinkler timer or equivalent to a perf hose running the length of the coffin and Vallah! That is the only way I can see to automate the system with any assurance or relative certainty of survival.
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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XRagnorX said:
I predict it will grow into that light in 10 days..... and mold to death in 45 if the fridge is not ventilated.

I am intrigued by the solution to your problem, but I do not believe this is the answer.

I would plant as many as possible in secure outdoor locations for sure. Other than that you need someone you can trust to care for your plant.
Watering is the real issue. I see more of a box long and narrow with a T12 florescent separated from the plant by a sheet of plexiglass. The entire bottom of the enclosure is 4 or six inches deep in decent well draining soil. The open area of the grow space would be 12"x14"x48" roughly. The plant would be planted at one far end of the enclosure and bent toward the other end. Vent holes (very small holes) would have to be in both ends of the enclosure. Now you need to work out how much water will be required to just keep the soil from drying out. You then hook up a sprinkler timer or equivalent to a perf hose running the length of the coffin and Vallah! That is the only way I can see to automate the system with any assurance or relative certainty of survival.
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hahah "the coffin"
That sounds very bizarre, what is all the plexiglass for exactly?

I think one factore that needs to be taken care of is the spider mite issue. I have no spider mites now.. but who's to say I won't get spider mites in 3 months that I'm away! I doubt they would survive in the fridge. I'm curious to know why you would suggest mold would kill the plant in 45 days? I suppose this could actually happen due to the total lack of vitality making the plant more suseptiple to any infections. I don't think CO2 depletion is an issue. I can create tiny holes in the weather stripping of the fridge door with popsicle sticks. The tiny litter plant won't be using hardly any CO2 other than basically just enough to keep it alive.

Here's an update on how the plant looks today. I haven't watered or done anything with the plant since I first placed it in the fridge.
I think it looks a little more yellow today than when it first when in. It does not appear to have grown even a fraction of an inch.

This is day 7 of the experiment

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James87

James87

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Just a couple ideas... Producing CO2 in a sealed environment wont end well for your fridge or you.... Sounds more like a pipe bomb. For watering, you could place your planter above a basin full of water, and have a wick to pull that water up into your soil. Those gravity balls wont last.
 
James87

James87

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If you could float the planter on the water with a waterboard, and fix the lamp to the planter, it just might last.
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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PeyoteReligion said:
You don't know anybody that could just care take for you?
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What about rule #1? Don't tell anyone! Besides the one person I could "trust" with the knowledge that I'm growing, would probably not win a battle against spider mites if they came around, and would likely not be able to take care of the plant for 3 months without having me around to mix the nutes and check for deficiencies etc...
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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James87 said:
Just a couple ideas... Producing CO2 in a sealed environment wont end well for your fridge or you.... Sounds more like a pipe bomb. For watering, you could place your planter above a basin full of water, and have a wick to pull that water up into your soil. Those gravity balls wont last.
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Hey James haven't seen you around in a while

Your right Ive decided the CO2 enrichment would be a bad idea, and would probably only lead to CO2 toxicity at some point.

I think watering will be far less of an issue than your anticipating, because the plant will hardly be respiring.
The wick idea is good though. I think I will figure out a way to do that quite easily. I'm not sure where I would get the right grade of wick for this job. Do they carry special wicks for this purpose at hydro stores?
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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Also planting multitudes of clones outdoors is not the best option because I will not be returning home until mid september, and reveggin clones wouldnt be so great. I want to be able to have 10 clones rooted and in veg within a month of my return
 
James87

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I knew a couple of people that do tree planting..havent seen them in a couple years. No idea about the wick.
 
stonerman

stonerman

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Bring a clone or two out west with you when you go, plant them and tend to them while your up there. Before you leave, take a couple cuttings, root them and bring them back. There's actually websites that sells and sends live clones through mail. Depending on how long until you go out west, maybe you could pollinate a female, make some seeds, and have some nice seeds with your favorite genetics to start growing with when you get back. Other then that, Find an indoor grower and try to convince him to grow your strain, and get some cuttings back once you get back. Happy toking :bigjoint:
 
James87

James87

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Thedillestpickle said:
Also planting multitudes of clones outdoors is not the best option because I will not be returning home until mid september, and reveggin clones wouldnt be so great. I want to be able to have 10 clones rooted and in veg within a month of my return
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I know folks who plant outdoors, placing clones out in rural areas, never visit, and only return to harvest. They find other peoples stuff, and often lose their own... tend to break even, give or take. Mid september would be 3-5 weeks early for harvest anyway. Use a soil that wont need any nutes, and go planting.
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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James87 said:
I know folks who plant outdoors, placing clones out in rural areas, never visit, and only return to harvest. They find other peoples stuff, and often lose their own... tend to break even, give or take. Mid september would be 3-5 weeks early for harvest anyway. Use a soil that wont need any nutes, and go planting.
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It would mean I have to revegg the clones because they would already be in flower. Then I would end up with one of those mutating freak mother plants and it would be forever before I could get a regular plant again.

Maybe you could take care of a cutting for me James?
 
James87

James87

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Thedillestpickle said:
It would mean I have to revegg the clones because they would already be in flower. Then I would end up with one of those mutating freak mother plants and it would be forever before I could get a regular plant again.

Maybe you could take care of a cutting for me James?
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:( i really dont have the space, but that may change... when do u leave?
 
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