Long term Storage of Mothers/Clones? How do I save these Genetics?

Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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stonerman said:
Bring a clone or two out west with you when you go, plant them and tend to them while your up there. Before you leave, take a couple cuttings, root them and bring them back. There's actually websites that sells and sends live clones through mail. Depending on how long until you go out west, maybe you could pollinate a female, make some seeds, and have some nice seeds with your favorite genetics to start growing with when you get back. Other then that, Find an indoor grower and try to convince him to grow your strain, and get some cuttings back once you get back. Happy toking :bigjoint:
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haha I'll be living in a tent for 3 months I don't think bringing a pet marijuana plant along is going to work out. I will also be going to different parts of the country at different times of the summer and not returning to the previous locations.
Finding someone to caretake is probably the best option
 
stonerman

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just curious, whats so special about your plants genetics? Get them from any wheres special? Would it be that hard to lose that strain, and just start up when you get back with a completely different new strain?
 
James87

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Thedillestpickle said:
End of may maybe even a bit later.

Shouldnt take much, just need to keep it living. 1 23w CFL in a cardboard box would probably be enough lol
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Lol I'll keep it the same size when u get back, it'll be all bonzai, topped and FIM'd into a funny shape.. like wrapped around the 23W like the haircut on Chris Tucker's character from The Fifth Element.
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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stonerman said:
just curious, whats so special about your plants genetics? Get them from any wheres special? Would it be that hard to lose that strain, and just start up when you get back with a completely different new strain?
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I paid 300 for the 11 regular seeds(serious seeds Kali Mist)
I'm growing out 7 females and choosing the best pheno

It would be a bitch to pay 300 again and then have to grow them out again to get the good pheno

I havent flowered the plants yet, for all I know I will hate the strain and want to start a new one, but I think I have some pretty sweet genetics here
 
ddmreinno1

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ok herme one female after you harvest most of her then leave her some where else to do her/his thing let the seeds start b4 u leave well after the other plants are good and done when its done seeding youll be gone and itll drop its fully developed (female) seeds there they will be ready to pick up and replant.
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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ddmreinno1 said:
ok herme one female after you harvest most of her then leave her some where else to do her/his thing let the seeds start b4 u leave well after the other plants are good and done when its done seeding youll be gone and itll drop its fully developed (female) seeds there they will be ready to pick up and replant.
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That just sounds wrong lol
Would the seeds all behave as exact replicas and grow out as if they were clones?
Will I not lose the hybrid vigour of the F1 plants? Apparently hybird F1's can grow 25% bigger/faster than non hybrids
If I lose all that vigour then I might just be better off buying new seeds and any pheno will outperform my bastard feminized inbred seeds

If I start a new thread there is a decent chance I will find someone(in Canada) that will be able to take care of a clone for me.
 
spex420

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make fem seeds from your best genetic just like taking a clone its easy and works 100% of the time
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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spex420 said:
make fem seeds from your best genetic just like taking a clone its easy and works 100% of the time
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I might do that as a backup plan just incase

So are there absolutely no drawbacks to doing this?
Do I lose hybrid vigour?
Do my feminized seeds have a tendency to hermie due to them coming from a hermied plant?(I can see how this is different from other forms of hermi-ing, so I'm guessing probably not, just want to ask)
There must be some drawback?

If there was no drawback then you would have breeders selling you seeds of their best female phenos... which isn't the case. Feminized from breeders comes from a male and female plant poliating and the polinated calyxes are treated with something to cause the seeds to be feminized. so why aren't the breeders offering "clone-like" seeds of their prize female phenos? If there's no down side to this the only reason I can think of is that they don't want anyone to have their prize mother plants genetics... it would be like giving out the recipe to KFC chicken...
 
WolfZen

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Thedillestpickle said:
I might do that as a backup plan just incase

So are there absolutely no drawbacks to doing this?
Do I lose hybrid vigour?
Do my feminized seeds have a tendency to hermie due to them coming from a hermied plant?(I can see how this is different from other forms of hermi-ing, so I'm guessing probably not, just want to ask)
There must be some drawback?

If there was no drawback then you would have breeders selling you seeds of their best female phenos... which isn't the case. Feminized from breeders comes from a male and female plant poliating and the polinated calyxes are treated with something to cause the seeds to be feminized. so why aren't the breeders offering "clone-like" seeds of their prize female phenos? If there's no down side to this the only reason I can think of is that they don't want anyone to have their prize mother plants genetics... it would be like giving out the recipe to KFC chicken...
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Matthew Riot - Riot Seeds said:
Not many breeders will talk about how they make feminized seeds. Can you explain how you do yours?
Sure. I’ll be happy to lay down a trade secret. There are several different ways to make feminized seeds using a few different chemicals, or the natural way. A few of the chemicals that can be used are silver nitrate combined with sodium thiosulfate. You can also make homemade colloidal silver, and some breeders use gibberellic acid. The natural way would be to push a female plant to sprout male flowers (yes, this means cause it to herm.) When we reverse a plant to throw male flowers, it must have already passed a test and not produced male flowers from stress, that way it doesn’t pass on any hermaphroditic tendencies. The chemicals basically trick the plant into thinking it is in the last stages of blooming and about to die. When cannabis plants are pushed to this stage of flowering, they naturally produce male flower clusters to make seeds. That way when the plant dies, the seeds drop to the ground, allowing some of them to plant themselves. The natural Johnny Appleseed as it were.
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Easiest thing to use at home is colloidal silver (CS). One reason being that it's easy to make CS yourself. There's a great thread on here by GrumpyOldDreamer that shows how easy it is:

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/387589-producing-feminised-seeds-using-colloidal.html
 
spex420

spex420

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Thedillestpickle said:
I might do that as a backup plan just incase

So are there absolutely no drawbacks to doing this?
Do I lose hybrid vigour?
Do my feminized seeds have a tendency to hermie due to them coming from a hermied plant?(I can see how this is different from other forms of hermi-ing, so I'm guessing probably not, just want to ask)
There must be some drawback?

If there was no drawback then you would have breeders selling you seeds of their best female phenos... which isn't the case. Feminized from breeders comes from a male and female plant poliating and the polinated calyxes are treated with something to cause the seeds to be feminized. so why aren't the breeders offering "clone-like" seeds of their prize female phenos? If there's no down side to this the only reason I can think of is that they don't want anyone to have their prize mother plants genetics... it would be like giving out the recipe to KFC chicken...
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not exactly you spray somthing on your female plant called colloidal silver and it makes your female plant grow pollen sacks in the area sprayed you then collect the sacks take the pollen out and brush that pollen onto the same plant
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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I still haven't gotten an answer if there are any drawbacks? Am I going to have a plant equal in every way to a clone?

The plant looks exactly the same as it did in the last pictures. I removed the tinfoil wrapping I had on the coco(I put it there to hold in moisture). Looking good so far. I'll update in a few more weeks if anything changes
 
Thedillestpickle

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I guess if it survives the 3 months test, the next step will be to see if it can start growing again, or if it will be forever so stunted that I can never take a heathy cutting from it.
So far I'm liking it though, I think this is going to work... it's been 12 days thus far. over 1/8th of the way there!
 
tyke1973

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missnu said:
I think no matter what you try it is likely to end badly other than having someone plant sit and that even goes badly more often then not...What you should do is hermie the mothers you want to keep...and then keep some seeds...damn that takes time though...but the only way this will work is to reduce those moms to seed...I mean maybe the fridge would work,but it seems to me the plant would mold like old lettuce in less than a month. And could the plant even make it being that cold? I bet there is someone on here that could keep the particular strains going and give them back when you wanted them...Maybe?
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true,can't you take a couple of rooted clones with you,then a couple of week before you come back re clone and bring the clones back with you
 
WolfZen

WolfZen

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Thedillestpickle said:
I still haven't gotten an answer if there are any drawbacks? Am I going to have a plant equal in every way to a clone?
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Some people could argue that yes, there are drawbacks in that there is a chance that random genetic mutation may result in a very, very small percentage of the off-spring not being exactly like the P1. And those people would be right one time out of a hundred to ten-thousand (or somewhere in that ballpark). Or in other words, well over 99% of the produced seeds would be exactly like the mother (even female like the mother).
 
James87

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tyke1973 said:
true,can't you take a couple of rooted clones with you,then a couple of week before you come back re clone and bring the clones back with you
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take the train, take some clones. Use like, one of those 6-pack muffin tray containers from the grocery store, the kind with a lid... They usually come with muffins. Get a window seat on the train, on the left side (going west) so you get the sunlight. Give them light regularly, out the top of your backpack or whatever. They don't need 18/6 or 24/0, just a half hour of light every few hours for transport. Or get one of those LED flashlights, the kind with batteries.. Leave it on inside your bag, and replace the batteries appropriately. When you get there, go for a hike and find SEVERAL spots, and place one clone at each. Use a GPS and mark those coordinates!! Can't stress that enough. When you're ready to come back, you'll have to make new clones. At least, the new clones can be made outdoors...
 
Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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tyke1973 said:
true,can't you take a couple of rooted clones with you,then a couple of week before you come back re clone and bring the clones back with you
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Absolutely not, I'm going to be living in a tent

James I can't do that because I will not be able to return to the locations that I plant the clones at ever again(most likely) and as I don't have a vehicle that is not something I am in control of

I think I have pretty much ruled out the option of having clones live outdoors for the summertime, though I may try planting a few clone around my area and seeing if i can revegg, though i would prefer not to have to revegg anything
 
Elliesdaddy

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Dillest i don't mean to be a copycat and tell you advice which you gave me so no copyright infringement attempted.

Growing in 50/50 coco and perlite both nutrientless mediums?
Surely you won't stand a chance with this unless you are going to attempt it in actual soil but new highly fertilised soil so it lasts the 3month's

Are you attempting for this grow to be the full 3 months 1month veg, 2 months bud so they are ready when you get back or are these going to be a big 3 month veg?
 
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