Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans

BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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Fogdog said:
Anybody who doesn't expect to receive the same level of healthcare of a billionaire is a hypocrite.

Got it.

Thanks Burt.:lol:
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No, I think you're a hypocrite because you lecture others about their privilege while you believe your mother should have better options because of, you guessed it, the very same privilege.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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BurtMaklin said:
No, I think you're a hypocrite because you lecture others about their privilege while you believe your mother should have better options because of, you guessed it, the very same privilege.
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LOL, you are still confused, Burt.

You confuse Bernie's Medicare For All legislation, which is a crappy bill that has no funding for those health care services with actually providing Federally funded healthcare for all.

Now then, for a LMAO, tell me again that Billionaires in Canada actually receive the same level of services as a person who uses the Canadian Medicare system.
 
blu3bird

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PJ Diaz said:
Oops, it does look like I made a mistake. I was quickly looking at a chart, which showed the % of population by race, and those which are foreign born vs US born, but didn't look at close at the math as I should have. Yes, I acknowledge that I made an error, but definitely was not trying to be deceitful.

Here is the figure I was initially referencing:

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Why does it matter? Because an earlier poster was trying to claim that by being white did not affect his ability to secure work in his field, by saying "Driving transport is a career path that lots of immigrants have followed here." I issued a rebuttal by with figures showing that most in his industry were white. Then I got called a racist for assuming that most immigrants are non-white, so I found figures to support my claim. Yes, I do see now that the 4% figure was wrong in error, but even the 17.8% figure you posted does support my initial assertion. So, thanks for both correcting my details, but also validating my overall assertion that most immigrants are non-white, and that yes it does affect one's ability to secure employment.

So are we done now, with you nitpicking my posts apart and trying to claim that I am something I am not? Seems you don't want to focus on real issues so much as you want to tear others apart. That's what the Russians are trying to do to our society, tear us apart, and pit us against each other.
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Goddamnit dude, I told you once already, NO ONE gets a job driving a truck without a CDL. It DOES NOT matter if you're black, white or brown skinned, male or female, gay or straight.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I don't get to drive a semi truck simply because I'm a white male.

If you don't understand this, go take your honky ass self and apply for a class A CDL driving job and watch what happens when you don't have a commercial driver license.
 
Fogdog

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blu3bird said:
Goddamnit dude, I told you once already, NO ONE gets a job driving a truck without a CDL. It DOES NOT matter if you're black, white or brown skinned, male or female, gay or straight.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I don't get to drive a semi truck simply because I'm a white male.

If you don't understand this, go take your honky ass self and apply for a class A CDL driving job and watch what happens when you don't have a commercial driver license.
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The chart he posted actually proves your point that immigrants and minorities are truckers too.

Something doesn't add up with this PJ character. Claims to be a flaming left wing liberal but continues to cite shit from Stormfront and Breitbart. His only excuse might be that the far right have been recycling some of their propaganda into sham left wing u-tube sites like Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski's. People on the far left are just as authoritarian and easily duped as people who support Trump.
 
BurtMaklin

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For the most part they do, and I am against any preferential treatment based on socioeconomic circumstances. The difference is I don't defend or advocate for that type of privilege, and voted for a candidate that aligns with my beliefs. If you want to hold onto some of your socioeconomic privilege, then you aren't for equality, and that's fine. Just don't pretend to be something you're not.

LMAO at you trying to deflect your hypocrisy by pointing out what happens at a federal level in my country. Those two thing are completely unrelated, but for the record I voted NDP which has both socialized dental and a national pharmacare plan in their platform, which would make a system with 100% coverage.
 
PJ Diaz

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Fogdog said:
The chart he posted actually proves your point that immigrants and minorities are truckers too.

Something doesn't add up with this PJ character. Claims to be a flaming left wing liberal but continues to cite shit from Stormfront and Breitbart. His only excuse might be that the far right have been recycling some of their propaganda into sham left wing u-tube sites like Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski's. People on the far left are just as authoritarian and easily duped as people who support Trump.
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LMFAO dude. I never claimed to be anything. You are projecting. Also I never claimed that immigrants or minorities were not truckers. Again you are projecting.

Frankly I think shit doesn't add up with you. You sure seem to know a lot about those right wing groups you mentioned. I don't study their talking points like you. You claim to be a democrat but you use Trumpian type tactics of hate and division. I had to finally block Uncle Buck, because I'm fairly certain he's one of those right-wing bs'ers you're talking about, and if he's not, he's still an extreme hater. I'm not interested in reading his hate-filled rants.
 
Fogdog

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PJ Diaz said:
LMFAO dude. I never claimed to be anything. You are projecting. Also I never claimed that immigrants or minorities were not truckers. Again you are projecting.

Frankly I think shit doesn't add up with you. You sure seem to know a lot about those right wing groups you mentioned. I don't study their talking points like you. You claim to be a democrat but you use Trumpian type tactics of hate and division. I had to finally block Uncle Buck, because I'm fairly certain he's one of those right-wing bs'ers you're talking about, and if he's not, he's still an extreme hater. I'm not interested in reading his hate-filled rants.
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Oh, hi. Gee it's so nice that we have met up again. I asked you a question earlier and perhaps you were busy deflecting other discussions and so forgot to answer in an objective and factual way. After all, from earlier discussions you claim to be fixated on only stating facts. So, Mr Just The Facts answer this:

Explain why it is important that only 4% of people who immigrate to this country are white. You cited this falsehood as if it were very important and I'm asking you why.
 
UncleBuck

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PJ Diaz said:
LMFAO dude. I never claimed to be anything. You are projecting. Also I never claimed that immigrants or minorities were not truckers. Again you are projecting.

Frankly I think shit doesn't add up with you. You sure seem to know a lot about those right wing groups you mentioned. I don't study their talking points like you. You claim to be a democrat but you use Trumpian type tactics of hate and division. I had to finally block Uncle Buck, because I'm fairly certain he's one of those right-wing bs'ers you're talking about, and if he's not, he's still an extreme hater. I'm not interested in reading his hate-filled rants.
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LOL @ “no YOU don’t add up!”

this account is hilarious
 
BurtMaklin

BurtMaklin

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PJ Diaz said:
LMFAO dude. I never claimed to be anything. You are projecting. Also I never claimed that immigrants or minorities were not truckers. Again you are projecting.

Frankly I think shit doesn't add up with you. You sure seem to know a lot about those right wing groups you mentioned. I don't study their talking points like you. You claim to be a democrat but you use Trumpian type tactics of hate and division. I had to finally block Uncle Buck, because I'm fairly certain he's one of those right-wing bs'ers you're talking about, and if he's not, he's still an extreme hater. I'm not interested in reading his hate-filled rants.
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The reason he doesn't "add up" is because he doesn't apply the same rules of ideological consistancy for himself as he does for others. Imagine lecturing others about privilege then advocating that his family get to keep theirs because they "need" it, or deciding"which people deserve to get treated like people".
 
UncleBuck

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BurtMaklin said:
The reason he doesn't "add up" is because he doesn't apply the same rules of ideological consistancy for himself as he does for others. Imagine lecturing others about privilege then advocating that his family get to keep theirs because they "need" it, or deciding"which people deserve to get treated like people".
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Are you crying
 
Fogdog

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BurtMaklin said:
The reason he doesn't "add up" is because he doesn't apply the same rules of ideological consistancy for himself as he does for others. Imagine lecturing others about privilege then advocating that his family get to keep theirs because they "need" it, or deciding"which people deserve to get treated like people".
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Everybody's mother over 65 who qualifies for Medicare is on the same plan as my mother's. Is that what you call privilege?
 
PJ Diaz

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Fogdog said:
Oh, hi. Gee it's so nice that we have met up again. I asked you a question earlier and perhaps you were busy deflecting other discussions and so forgot to answer in an objective and factual way. After all, from earlier discussions you claim to be fixated on only stating facts. So, Mr Just The Facts answer this:

Explain why it is important that only 4% of people who immigrate to this country are white. You cited this falsehood as if it were very important and I'm asking you why.
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I explained the importance in that reference just a few posts back. Feel free to read back because I'm not interested in repeating myself over and over. I'm not sure why you are intentionally acting obtuse.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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PJ Diaz said:
I explained the importance in that reference just a few posts back. Feel free to read back because I'm not interested in repeating myself over and over. I'm not sure why you are intentionally acting obtuse.
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point me to the post where you did. I don't think you can.

I've cited your post at least twice where you told us how important it is. You can at least put the post you claim to have explained it into a reply to me. I don't think you can.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Fogdog said:
point me to the post where you did. I don't think you can.

I've cited your post at least twice where you told us how important it is. You can at least put the post you claim to have explained it into a reply to me. I don't think you can.
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Post #199 of this thread:

Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans

Anybody who doesn't expect to receive the same level of healthcare of a billionaire is a hypocrite. Got it. Thanks Burt.:lol: Well that is the way it is here mostly. But yes we can always head to the States where doctors can except cash. We fight hard to keep it a level field for the most...
www.rollitup.org
 
Fogdog

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PJ Diaz said:
Post #199 of this thread:

Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans

Anybody who doesn't expect to receive the same level of healthcare of a billionaire is a hypocrite. Got it. Thanks Burt.:lol: Well that is the way it is here mostly. But yes we can always head to the States where doctors can except cash. We fight hard to keep it a level field for the most...
www.rollitup.org
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Oh, hi. Gee it's so nice that we have met up again. I asked you a question earlier and perhaps you were busy deflecting other discussions and so forgot to answer in an objective and factual way. After all, from earlier discussions you claim to be fixated on only stating facts. So, Mr Just The Facts answer this:

Explain why it is important that only 4% of people who immigrate to this country are white. You cited this falsehood as if it were very important and I'm asking you why.
 
Fogdog

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@PJ Diaz

Maybe you didn't get the message? I was asking about the line in this post of yours:


PJ Diaz said:
Race does matter when it comes to immigrants. Only 4% of immigrants are white. To turn a blind eye to that fact only serves to make you color blind.
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Did you know that your words portray the same false scenario that white supremacists use when they talk about white genocide?

It being that you say you aren't a white supremacist, could you explain why you are so concerned about "Only 4% of immigrants are white"? Of course you now know that the actual number is 17.8%. You were, of course, mistaken but no matter. What I was wondering is if -- assuming, that is, you aren't a white supremacist who is lying his ass off on this forum -- you could explain why "only 4% of immigrants are white" is so important to you. I sure do hope that you aren't a white supremacist who is citing false statistics to advance the fake "white genocide" conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the sig line, btw. You keep denying you say things. All completely innocent, I'm sure. So, I figured I'd just drag that line around so that I have your post handy the next time you mistakenly deny you ever said such a thing. Did you know that continually lying about racial issues makes you out to be a racist/white supremacist to many who frequent this forum? I'm sure you care enough to correct that impression you are giving us.
 
PJ Diaz

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Wow dude, you are a real duchebag. I guess I'll add you to my block list along with Rob Roy and Uncle Buck. Congrats. I answered your question a page or two back, and even gave you the specific reference. Personally I think you must be a racist is sheep's clothing. It's pretty clear you are a troll, trying to call me out multiple times on something I already answered. No, I'm not a white supremacist. My original point was that white males should acknowledge that yes they do have a privilege that non-white and non-males do not have. It's important to be aware of the big picture.

Somehow tho, you decided to try to twist my words apart and take them out of context. Yes I made a mistake with the 4%, but I acknowledged that I made a mistake. I even showed you a stat that should have helped you to understand that it was an easy mistake to make. Why did you decide to twist my words and attack me like that, when clearly I was attempting to speak on the behalf of equality? I'm not sure, but I'm only left to assume that you are actually a right-wing fanatic, attempting to sow dissent. Well I find that sad, but I am also not interested in wasting any more of my time with you, Mr GOP.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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PJ Diaz said:
Wow dude, you are a real duchebag. I guess I'll add you to my block list along with Rob Roy and Uncle Buck. Congrats. I answered your question a page or two back, and even gave you the specific reference. Personally I think you must be a racist is sheep's clothing. It's pretty clear you are a troll, trying to call me out multiple times on something I already answered. No, I'm not a white supremacist. My original point was that white males should acknowledge that yes they do have a privilege that non-white and non-males do not have. It's important to be aware of the big picture.

Somehow tho, you decided to try to twist my words apart and take them out of context. Yes I made a mistake with the 4%, but I acknowledged that I made a mistake. I even showed you a stat that should have helped you to understand that it was an easy mistake to make. Why did you decide to twist my words and attack me like that, when clearly I was attempting to speak on the behalf of equality? I'm not sure, but I'm only left to assume that you are actually a right-wing fanatic, attempting to sow dissent. Well I find that sad, but I am also not interested in wasting any more of my time with you, Mr GOP.
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Race does matter when it comes to immigrants. Only 4% are whites
 
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