Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

Bagginski

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Budzbuddha said:
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Hannity, speaking on Premiere Radio Network’s “The Sean Hannity Show,” pointed out that the Constitution does not bar felons from holding the presidency and sets the limits for the office to only being born in the United States and being at least 35 years old.

“Being a felon is not a disqualification,” Hannity said. “So even crimes potentially far more serious than what is being alleged, potential mishandling of classified information, doesn’t stop somebody from seeking the presidency.”

Hannity, perhaps forgetting that voters would or should be highly influenced if a presidential candidate was indeed a convicted felon, pointed out — correctly, according to Poynter Institute — that federal law does prohibit a felon from “holding office in the United States.”

“And if they’re — if they think that they’re going to somehow make this about Donald Trump and prevent him from running from office, well they obviously have not read something called the Constitution,” Hannity said. “Because the Constitution is pretty clear on what qualifies one to be able to run for president.

“In other words, OK, even if Section 2071 in the federal penal code has penalty provisions upon the conviction that a defendant shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States,” Hannity continued. “OK, but we do have something called the Constitution. And the qualifications for one to be president of the United States that is very clear and enumerated. And you can’t alter it by any statute precisely because our framers in their wisdom didn’t want the executive branch dominated by the legislature, as would happen if Congress could disqualify any incumbent or potential president simply by passing a law.”
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For the record, if Sean Hannity is *not* a brain-free scumsack IRL, then he for sure plays one on teevee. My folks told me when I was growing up, “you keep doing that, you’ll end up like that”.

I’m kinda the LAST person to say, ”listen to your parents”, but he should have - ‘cause NOW look at him….

More to the point, Hannity cunningly says nothing about how the constitution is silent on DISqualifications…or about how MUCH the founders had to say about elements of character that’s *would* be certain disqualifications. Had Jefferson, Madison, & Hamilton been able to foresee digital media, *photography & photocopying*, thumb drives, and an internal political move to undo the founders’ work entirely, I’m completely convinced they would have taken a deeper look at the variety of creeping tyrannical bullshit that would bar someone from office.

TL;DR = read the federalist papers about the electoral college: their main justification is/was that the EC would be able to KEEP A MAN LIKE TRUMP FROM SEIZING OFFICE - BECAUSE OF THE FAULTS IN HIS CHARACTER. It was also one of Jefferson’s chief concerns - that an ignorant, uneducated (or ”miseducated” - ie, brainwashed, low-information rabble) could completely undo our experiment in self-government by simply lacking the ability to assess a candidate’s fitness for office, thereby proving the founders WRONG in placing their bets on the better angels of our nature (yes, a Lincoln quote).
 
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FBI interviewed Trump White House lawyers about documents at center of Mar-a-Lago search: report
The FBI has reportedly interviewed former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone and his deputy Patrick Philbin about the documents the former president stored at his Mar-a-Lago residence that were seized in a search last week.
The lawyers were questioned about how boxes of White House documents came to be stored at the Palm Beach, Fla., resort past the end of Donald Trump’s presidential term, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The National Archives reportedly contacted Philbin when it became aware of the missing documents, but Trump resisted its efforts to reclaim the records, some of which were allegedly marked as classified.

Philbin and Cipollone did not immediately return The Hill’s requests for comment.
“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” the former president allegedly argued about the records.

Fifteen boxes of records were returned to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in January, according to a NARA release, including “paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump.”

NARA says Trump’s possession of the documents after the end of his time in office violates the Presidential Records Act, which requires their preservation and transfer to the National Archives.

The Justice Department, to which the National Archives had referred the matter, reportedly issued a subpoena for documents that they believed remained at Mar-a-Lago in May.


According to the Times report, a Trump lawyer signed a document affirming that classified material had been turned over, but officials had reason to believe additional records continued to be stored at the residence.

The FBI executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago last Monday, a move Trump has decried as politically motivated.
After questions about the basis of the search, the Justice Department asked a judge to unseal the search warrant, but the agency has resisted releasing the associated affidavit, saying it could compromise the investigation.

Related documents revealed that the FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents from Trump’s residence.
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FBI interviewed Trump White House lawyers about documents at center of Mar-a-Lago search: report

The FBI has reportedly interviewed former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone and his deputy Patrick Philbin about the documents the former president stored at his Mar-a-Lago residence that wer…
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hanimmal

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rkymtnman said:
i'd like to see her become more assertive or vocal or whatever if biden is not gonna run in 24. i know the J6 and the mar a lardo stuff has overshadowed most things but she needs to step it up i think.
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There is so much noise like you said that it just never gets any play. I can think of at least a dozen events I have seen her in that I was thinking about posting (but my laptop is being slow atm) the videos of, a couple (like her NATO trip) got a second of air time before they were out of the news cycle. But as VPOTUS from what I have learned is to not get out front of the president on any issue, so not sure she can really push the envelope on that and not get more criticism.

xtsho said:
Hold on there. It's not age discrimination. I'm sorry you feel that way. That wasn't my intention. I just think think there is a better path/future for the Democratic party. I'm also not a fan of Harris and apparently neither is Biden which is why they've muzzled her.

I remember years ago when a person could discuss politics and even when people disagreed they all still had a beer together. Things seem so toxic today. Just look at how some react to my wanting a candidate other than Biden. Forget the fact that I voted for him. Three times actually if you add in the Obama years but now since I would like to see a different candidate I'm ostracized.

I get what you're saying about the age thing and I probably did make too much of that. But I don't think Biden is the best choice for 2024. He was for 2020 which is why I voted for him in the Primary and the general election but like many we thought it was always just going to be one term because Biden was best poised to defeat trump which was the number one mission that needed to be accomplished. I don't think trump will be the Republican nominee in 2024 and things could work out in reverse. Don't underestimate someone like DeSantis beating Biden or even a second run by Jeb Bush.
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DeSantis is still a race baiting homophobic despot in the making. Same with Cruz, Paul, on and on. I don't see them beating Biden, who has been solidly performing.

I disagree strongly with your statement about Harris.
 
xtsho

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cannabineer said:
Hannity is a paid actor.
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Exactly. These guys don't believe the crap they're pushing. The money's just too good for them to keep their mouths shut. The guys worth hundreds of millions of dollars and makes around $45 million a year to push the trump hype. Hell I'd do it for that kind of money. I'm serious. Sometimes you just have to do what's best for you and say screw it. If it wasn't him it would be someone else. Why not me.

Yes I have a price. Mine might be higher than others but when you start talking about millions a month I'm all ears.
 
cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
I inadvertently posted that before I was done with it…it’s complete now
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With the way we hear and act on news changed beyond recognition by an imaginary Framer in our time, I am starting to think that the Electoral College has become a liability. The Internet changes things.

The early proponents of the World Wide Web had libertarian sympathies. They figured it would become a self-regulating environment. The emergence and serious bid for monopoly by the social media and e-commerce bigs illustrates two things:

1) that an attempted realization of any structure underestimating the basic human drive to exploit the system for disproportionate gain tends to fail.

2) The mode of failure is totalitarian takeover. Letting internet profiteers get that big catalyze the phase transition to Road Warrior world.

We need more social democracy, especially as regards media rogues like Fix News and One White Grievance Network,
and de facto monopolies like Facebook and Amazon. Their treatment of that man’s using them to evade established communications law is a Problem.

This is something the Republicans, even the notional moderates, have opposed en bloc because money. It disqualifies them from participating in a republic. The irony of their name is plain and no joke.
 
cannabineer

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xtsho said:
Exactly. These guys don't believe the crap they're pushing. The money's just too good for them to keep their mouths shut. The guys worth hundreds of millions of dollars and makes around $45 million a year to push the trump hype. Hell I'd do it for that kind of money. I'm serious. Sometimes you just have to do what's best for you and say screw it. If it wasn't him it would be someone else. Why not me.

Yes I have a price. Mine might be higher than others but when you start talking about millions a month I'm all ears.
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A cautionary tale involving thirty pieces of silver seems germane here.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
For the sake of diversity, how about putting Manchin on the list to represent right-leaning moderates?
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for the sake of diversity....NO!...i'll NEVER trust manchin, he should have been kicked the fuck off of the energy committee before...know what? the motherfucker should never have been on the fucking energy committee, he's a FUCKING COAL BARON.
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
for the sake of diversity....NO!...i'll NEVER trust manchin, he should have been kicked the fuck off of the energy committee before...know what? the motherfucker should never have been on the fucking energy committee, he's a FUCKING COAL BARON.
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He is better than the best Republican.

Not that I'd write home bragging about it if I were him.

But because he stuck with the Democratic Party Caucus, Democrats and not Republicans control the Senate. If he were my senator, I'd hate him. I will say that.
 
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compassionateExotic said:
get over yourself, his actions are correct and he has true experience in our government vs previous wannabe playboy fantasy bitchass
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i too, like Biden the man, i think he's doing a good job...but what we think isn't important, what undecided independents, undecided younger voters think is more important if you want to win...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-losing-key-independent-support-as-his-approval-rating-drops-lower

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2022/07/21/joe-biden-approval-rating-falls-presidential-election-2024-iowa-poll/10062073002/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-20/poll-finds-most-americans-don-t-want-biden-or-trump-to-run-again

i think he can do the job...but do enough undecided voter think so? it doesn't seem so...
 
hanimmal

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i too, like Biden the man, i think he's doing a good job...but what we think isn't important, what undecided independents, undecided younger voters think is more important if you want to win...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-losing-key-independent-support-as-his-approval-rating-drops-lower

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2022/07/21/joe-biden-approval-rating-falls-presidential-election-2024-iowa-poll/10062073002/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-20/poll-finds-most-americans-don-t-want-biden-or-trump-to-run-again

i think he can do the job...but do enough undecided voter think so? it doesn't seem so...
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Against some mythical 'ideal' candidate sure, but against the reality of what our nation will be up against with whoever the Republican nominee is for president?

Biden is a middle of the road competent person who has the experience and extremely clean record of not being corrupt or selling out to foreign nations that we need and that across the board people can trust enough to still vote for him and not be afraid to give his party the senate and house.

Anyone else, we are still looking at a split ticket with all the trolling going on.
 
Fogdog

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Welp, it's time to report what the clown show at Mar a Lago is doing:

Trump Lawyer Blasted For Demand That DOJ Release Mar-A-Lago Warrant Witnesses' Names
The Justice Department will reveal the names only if it presses criminal charges against Trump so that the cooperation of other witnesses isn't jeopardized.

Donald Trump attorney Alina Habba came under fire on Tuesday after she demanded that the Department of Justice go against protocol and release the names of the witnesses who helped secure the warrant for the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago last week.
During an interview on the right-wing media outlet Newsmax, Habba said she and her client wanted the Justice Department “to uncover everything so that we can see what is going on.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559584619393175553

She doesn't know much about the law. One wag said:

"Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at law school."
 
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Fogdog said:
Welp, it's time to report what the clown show at Mar a Lago is doing:

Trump Lawyer Blasted For Demand That DOJ Release Mar-A-Lago Warrant Witnesses' Names
The Justice Department will reveal the names only if it presses criminal charges against Trump so that the cooperation of other witnesses isn't jeopardized.

Donald Trump attorney Alina Habba came under fire on Tuesday after she demanded that the Department of Justice go against protocol and release the names of the witnesses who helped secure the warrant for the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago last week.
During an interview on the right-wing media outlet Newsmax, Habba said she and her client wanted the Justice Department “to uncover everything so that we can see what is going on.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1559584619393175553

She doesn't know much about the law. One wag said:

"Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot. You were sick the day they taught law at law school."
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It is called 'Discovery', where the procecution gives the evidence to the defence lawyer to prepare for a trial. Getting ahead of themselves it seems. But I guess it does not hurt to ask.
 
Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
Against some mythical 'ideal' candidate sure, but against the reality of what our nation will be up against with whoever the Republican nominee is for president?

Biden is a middle of the road competent person who has the experience and extremely clean record of not being corrupt or selling out to foreign nations that we need and that across the board people can trust enough to still vote for him and not be afraid to give his party the senate and house.

Anyone else, we are still looking at a split ticket with all the trolling going on.
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For me, it seems a bit early to say whether he should run again or not. A lot can change. I agree with your reasons why it might be good if Biden runs for a second term. Still, though, it's not as if we could say he didn't do enough already to justify his place among the better Presidents in the modern era.

@xtsho says he doesn't like Biden, not just his age, but he's too inarticulate to explain why. Maybe he's still angry about tampons in the boys room in Portland area high schools.

I realize that campaigns will get going in earnest next year but I don't pay much attention until the primaries are closer.
 
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Trump’s declassification claim may offer limited defense
Donald Trump’s claim he declassified the suite of documents seized by authorities after they searched his Florida home may provide only a limited defense for the former president, if the Justice Department decides to pursue what would be a historic case.

Trump, like any U.S. president, would have wide-ranging powers to declassify documents — but not in sweeping fashion and not without igniting a chain of events that would document the request, according to legal experts interviewed by The Hill.

The broad power also likely wouldn’t permit Trump to store tranches of presidential records in his post-presidential home.

Trump has argued the documents removed from his home were “all declassified.” He later elaborated in a statement to Fox News that he had “a standing order” to declassify any documents.

But experts say there should be traces of such a decision.

Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, a non-profit law firm specializing in national security law, said a presidential decision to classify material reverberates through an intelligence apparatus that carefully tracks documents and must then recategorize them appropriately.

“When you declassify a document, it’s declassified everywhere,” he said. “The CIA’s copy is declassified, the NSA’s copy of declassified, the National Security Council’s copy of declassified.

“And so when you declassify a document, even with a wave of your hand, you have to say that to someone, so that they mark it or propagate a memo out to people that this document is now declassified,” added McClanahan. “And they would do that if there was literally anyone in the room when he said, ‘I am declassifying this document,’ they would have made a note of that.”

McClanahan noted that no one in Trump’s orbit has yet pointed to anything in writing from Trump.

“An oral order will not suffice unless somebody can prove that it existed,” he said.
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Trump’s declassification claim may offer limited defense

Donald Trump’s claim he declassified the suite of documents seized by authorities after they searched his Florida home may provide only a limited defense for the former president, if the Justice De…
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And the article goes on for a bit...
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that stinks like weasel grease to me...another way for that motherfucker to escape punishment...i'm not a religious guy, but i find myself hoping that hell exists, solely so trump can get drug trough it by his lying tongue, then drug back to the other side by his tiny little balls.
 
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