"MG will kill your plants"... "MG works great for me"... WTF, Mate?

Cow Tea

Active Member
If you allow your grass to reach the HEALTHY height that it is supposed to, and DO NOT bag your grass, the dead grass actually contains more than enough nutrients to keep your lawn going.

When i moved into my new house everyone in the neighborhood was telling me id need to fert my lawn......well im in some fucking yuppie retard land here and no one has a clue as to what horticulture truely is.

So i just allow my grass to get somewhat tall, cut it (dont bag), and in one rain all of that dead grass is now leached back into the soil. Producing one of the lushest greenest lawns in my neighborhood.
Also, legumes, such as common clover and vetch, which grow with grass, attract bacteria that fix nitrogen from the air into the soil. There are parts of my yard that are so full of clover that I can always bag the grass (for compost) and never fertilize.
 

whiteflour

Well-Known Member
If you allow your grass to reach the HEALTHY height that it is supposed to, and DO NOT bag your grass, the dead grass actually contains more than enough nutrients to keep your lawn going.

When i moved into my new house everyone in the neighborhood was telling me id need to fert my lawn......well im in some fucking yuppie retard land here and no one has a clue as to what horticulture truely is.

So i just allow my grass to get somewhat tall, cut it (dont bag), and in one rain all of that dead grass is now leached back into the soil. Producing one of the lushest greenest lawns in my neighborhood.
Yea. You're fertilizing or amending the soil, with soon to be composted grass clippings. Just like a farmer that spreads chicken manure over his cow fields. Only difference is your way is ugly with all the dead clippings, and farmers smells like shit. We all know (or should know) the law of conservation and that certinaly applies to the nutrients the plant did not use as well. They all got washed lower in the soil.
 

mastakoosh

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i've used mg potting soil mix and had great results. just have to be careful with over watering which causes the nute ball to release causing nute burn on top of water logging them.
i agree with this. i didnt know i had picked up the moisture control and i was overwatering my plants. also like kevin said you gotta be careful with those nute ball things when watering.
 

madodah

Well-Known Member
I dont know, but your plants must be planted in an imaginary world inside of your head to be talking out of your ass as much as you are.

Are you familiar with what a FLUSH is?? because its painfully obvious that you do not.

do you even grow? anything for that matter? because if you did you would not be talking so out of line.
You're the one who doesn't seem to understand what organic growing means. The intent is to build a living soil with microbes that process plant nutrient requirements within itself. Who would be foolish enough to flush that beyond required irrigation to service plant water requirements? If the grow medium is properly constructed, it has everything in it cannabis, an annual, will require for its life cycle. I do add AACT teas in vegetation and flowering cycles, but only to supplement the soil microbes, not add nutrients. Many organic growers use only water on their prepared soil with some fine, smooth yields.

On my lawns and decorative plants, I use compost (and clippings on the lawn) to refresh them each spring and do a fungal AACT tea for the lawns so the microbe colonies immediately go to work servicing root requirements. Like someone else said, why fertilize when nature will do it for you.

You seem to be mentally wedded to hydro and/or chemical growing flushes, so I'll credit your punk mouth to a lack of knowledge regarding organic growing techniques. This is the organic forum.
 

TICAL

Member
I never had a problem with MG, I use MG Bloom Booster during flowering and had some monster buds developed well and the taste was excellent.
 

marcoze

Well-Known Member
You're the one who doesn't seem to understand what organic growing means. The intent is to build a living soil with microbes that process plant nutrient requirements within itself. Who would be foolish enough to flush that beyond required irrigation to service plant water requirements? If the grow medium is properly constructed, it has everything in it cannabis, an annual, will require for its life cycle. I do add AACT teas in vegetation and flowering cycles, but only to supplement the soil microbes, not add nutrients. Many organic growers use only water on their prepared soil with some fine, smooth yields.

On my lawns and decorative plants, I use compost (and clippings on the lawn) to refresh them each spring and do a fungal AACT tea for the lawns so the microbe colonies immediately go to work servicing root requirements. Like someone else said, why fertilize when nature will do it for you.

You seem to be mentally wedded to hydro and/or chemical growing flushes, so I'll credit your punk mouth to a lack of knowledge regarding organic growing techniques. This is the organic forum.
Ill credit your lack of understand and decisive thinking to a glaring under acheiving trait.

we are talking about flushing you fucking moron.

NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS ABOUT FLUSHING


I DO NOT CARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU USE TO ORGANICALLY GROW, you and me were discussing FLUSHING you PUNK MOUTH moron.


Cant take the heat, get the fuck outta the kitchen buddo.

first you say you cant flush out side, now youre telling me that you shouldnt flush organics.

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? You cant even follow the argument because you truely lack the core knowledge required to argue. Stop reading what other people talk about on the INTERNET and maybe take a horticulture class at your local center or just even some basic general knowledge classes it may help your ability to think and process information. And maybe start gathering it from real world experience not the fucking dream world you live in where you "Cant flush outdoors" right?

Moron.
 

marcoze

Well-Known Member
I never had a problem with MG, I use MG Bloom Booster during flowering and had some monster buds developed well and the taste was excellent.
TROOF


This thread is just a case of idiot morons who can not read packaging and also assume their extreme LACK of being able to grasp and practice horticulture is attributed to something else than their own selves.
 

marcoze

Well-Known Member
Yea. You're fertilizing or amending the soil, with soon to be composted grass clippings. Just like a farmer that spreads chicken manure over his cow fields. Only difference is your way is ugly with all the dead clippings, and farmers smells like shit. We all know (or should know) the law of conservation and that certinaly applies to the nutrients the plant did not use as well. They all got washed lower in the soil.
Correct, and my lawn doesnt look ugly at all after im done. Im a professional landscaper and i 2 pass my lawn every time. no clippings left sitting on top of the grass it all makes its way down to the soil.
 

madodah

Well-Known Member
Ill credit your lack of understand and decisive thinking to a glaring under acheiving trait.

we are talking about flushing you fucking moron.

NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS ABOUT FLUSHING

I DO NOT CARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU USE TO ORGANICALLY GROW, you and me were discussing FLUSHING you PUNK MOUTH moron.


Cant take the heat, get the fuck outta the kitchen buddo.

first you say you cant flush out side, now youre telling me that you shouldnt flush organics.

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? You cant even follow the argument because you truely lack the core knowledge required to argue. Stop reading what other people talk about on the INTERNET and maybe take a horticulture class at your local center or just even some basic general knowledge classes it may help your ability to think and process information. And maybe start gathering it from real world experience not the fucking dream world you live in where you "Cant flush outdoors" right?

Moron.
Because flushing is unnecessary, can be detrimental to an organic grow and this is the organic forum. Just like your non-existent manners and punk mouth belong on a kiddie rant forum.
 

marcoze

Well-Known Member
Because flushing is unnecessary, can be detrimental to an organic grow and this is the organic forum. Just like your non-existent manners and punk mouth belong on a kiddie rant forum.

this is RiU buddy this is a childs forum. blatantly appearant by your lack of knowledge and ability to follow your own fucking argument you slack jawed yokel.

You told me "YOU CANT FLUSH OUT DOORS"

Then FAIL to show me any information saying that you can not flush, or what a FLUSH ACTUALLY IS you jitbag. Do you know how to grow plants? any kind of plants?
You just keep giving me information on organic growing.....I DONT GIVE A FUCK about organic growing buddy we were discussing FLUSHING outdoors right??


DONT OPEN YOUR MOUTH IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT didnt your daddy or mommy teach you that shit?

I dont have manners for fucking lying morons.

Stop lying you dont grow anything buddy. get off the internet.
 

kevin

Well-Known Member
marcoze, do you need a group hug and a time out until you learn how to talk to people?
 

Airwave

Well-Known Member
I'm an indoor grower and like to be in complete control of what my plants are getting and when, so I avoid soil and use coco instead.
But If I was growing outdoors, then I would probably use MG, so I don't have to go back and forth feeding the damn things.
 

i81two

Well-Known Member
I'm an indoor grower and like to be in complete control of what my plants are getting and when, so I avoid soil and use coco instead.
But If I was growing outdoors, then I would probably use MG, so I don't have to go back and forth feeding the damn things.
Im a hydro grower that wants to experiment with a soilless organic grow (just a plant or 2 inside).

If i used coco, would it be politically/organicly correct to use something like GH organic line. I ask this because i would like to start out with something simple....and some of these organic soil mixes are really confusing me.

Any advice would be appreciated.
 

KitchenKhemist

Active Member
Miracle Grow, Technaflora, Botanicare, Organics......nutes is nutes, so long as you're giving your plant the right amounts. Plants don't care about the source.
 

whiteflour

Well-Known Member
Im a hydro grower that wants to experiment with a soilless organic grow (just a plant or 2 inside).

If i used coco, would it be politically/organicly correct to use something like GH organic line. I ask this because i would like to start out with something simple....and some of these organic soil mixes are really confusing me.

Any advice would be appreciated.
If it is labeled as organic, and organic is what your after then that is what you want. Too many people are worried with political correctness these days. ;)

The reason soil selection is so important when growing in it is water retention. Often times you can't and won't be feeding often enough for the plant to sustain life. Instead you're just giving the plant a bunch of growth spurts every few days, and then it has to look to the soil to fill in the blanks. If you're running coco you'll have to feed a bit less but more often, and more gradually along the way. It really doesn't so much matter about the fertilizer as long as it meets your requirements and it's used correctly.

I'm not familiar with coco myself but I would take into consideration the pH of both it and your water then find a fertilizer that falls in the middle, or moves the pH in the appropriate direction.
 

knowing

Well-Known Member
i agree with what the others have said. you have better option when it comes to seedlings. i burned 3 out of 3 seedlings using miracle grow organic potting soil. although i have been successful with growing seedlings in miracle grow standard potting soil. if your going to use MG id say its best not to feed for at least the first month.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I will not say more than some chemical fertilizers are rather 'harsh' and 'unforgiving' and that is the main knock on MG products.

Here is someone else's thoughts no the subject.A reprint from an RIU thread.




5 Products Better than Miracle Grow & under $10 At your local Home Depot

Ok so lately I've noticed lots of newbies Asking nutrient (aka nutes) Questions.

I consider Miracle Grow a vile nasty product that does more harm than good in most cases. The fact of the matter is it's so readily available and cheap thats what most newbies turn to. Considering newbies and miracle grow don't mix I decided to do some research on a few products that are just as available as MG (Miracle Grow) and much more beneficial.
All these products can be found at Home Depot, Lowes and sometime Wal-Mart.

First on the list for veg...
shultz 10-15-10 W/ micronutrients.
It is formulated to give all plants the essential primary nutrients and the micronutrients,
iron, manganese and zinc, they need for vigorous growth.
Sells for about $4.98
I usually start a half the recomemded amount and work my way up to full stregnth.

Also for veg. & all Organic
Epsoma Plant-Tone. $7.57
An all natural, all purpose premium plant food blend.
Long lasting, slow release feeding.
Complex blend of of the safest, finest natural ingredients available.
No sludges, fillers, or toxic ingredients are ever used.
This Product should only be used twice to three times during veg. Once again use half the recomended amount for the first feeding. Only use once a month.

This next product can be used once a month in conjuncton w/ your normal feeding schedule
Alaska Fish Fertilizer $5.48
Nutrient rich fish has been used as a fertilizer for centuries.
The pilgrims knew to bury fish in the soil to assure vigorous plant growth and plentiful h
arvests. Generations of gardeners have relied on Alaska Fish to give them all the
benefits of this traditional, time tested fertilizer in formulas that are easy and
convenient to use. Alaska Fish offers pure fish organic fertilizers in formulas that
gardeners want. Alaska Fish Fertilizer can be applied using a sprinkling can or clog
free hose end garden feeder. This product is for use in organic gardening. Use on all
indoor and outdoor plants. It is all purpose deodorized fish emulsion fertilizer that is
derived from seagoing fish. Also use half whats recomended.

For Flowering...
For flowering I've only found one really useful product, that can be found at all three stores...
Color Burst 15-30-15 $5.48
This I also cut the recommended amount in half. These are time release granules, but they are released by heat not water, so even if you over water the plants won't burn.

Lastly for people with soil ph problems...
Epsoma Organic Garden lime $3.97
The finest grade of pelletized, dolomitic limestone available.
Lime adjusts soil pH so plants can get the most from nutrients present.

Ok so I hope this helps someone out there with these questions. I'm still kind of a newbie myself but after actually trying these products myself it occurred to me to share my research. There are of course better more advanced products out there but these are common better than MG and they worked for me!!!​



https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/212390-5-products-better-than-miracle.html
 

KitchenKhemist

Active Member
I've seen alot of seedlings transplanted into 5gal buckets of MG potting soil following the directions on the bag (water soil until it drips from bottom of pot before use) and have yet to see one burned. Matter of fact, I've seen fish emulsion added as early as day 17, then every other day after that. Just saw one yesterday that's 6 weeks into flower, full strength nutes (fertilome blooming and rooting) almost daily since the switch, and those little fertilizer balls are still visible in the medium. I think the potting soil is higher in P and K than N, making it a nice medium to start seedlings in for root growth.
 

madodah

Well-Known Member
I believe the name 'Miracle Grow' has more influence on consumers with a limited or complete lack of agricultural and botanical knowledge than any other single factor. It stimulates the instant gratification desire so predominate in many individuals.
 
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