mixing large amounts of nutes, how to keep fresh?

medidedicated said:
1.15 EC calmg 1 tsp per gal (my main source says you can lower it and it does in the schedule, dr mj coco) .5 tsp micro .5 tsp grow 1/10th tsp bloom and then ph down carefully so i dont have to go ph up and this is 60/40 distilled /tap to add some volume. want to have 5 days worth will get pump to circulate incase this is a salt binding effect from stagnant sitting solution. i could do just distilled if i want to up the doses of nutes to a custom level but this is actually close to what the suggested schedule doses. mixing 2 qts distilled with 2 qts tap always brings it to .35 EC which was suggested as the threashold of ok starting water
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You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. I don't know who Dr MJ Coco is and it really doesn't matter as most of these cannabis instructional sites are full of crap anyway with all their cannabis specific nonsense. It's a damn plant. Treat it like one. There is nothing special about cannabis that it needs all this voodoo or some damn schedule to grow. Mix your nutes with tap water and pH to between 5.8 and 6.2. That range is close enough and should be easy to hit.
 
Snickerpus said:
Take your tap, mix it with all parts of your base fertizer schedule to EC 1,2 according to the given ratios, than adjust pH to 6,0 and feed daily to runoff. Try to skip calmag supplement and remove your runoff asap. Which nutrients, pH down and pH meter do you use? Be specific please
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cali magic, flora trio and gen hydroponics ph up and down, hanna growline ec meter and ph merer seperate
 
If you worry about your coco is not being buffered, you can just make only calmag solution of the same strenght of your actual food is, pH it to 6,0 make a nice drench than re-feed the coco with ballanced food straight afterwards. If you have hard water version you are just fine with your tap of 0,5EC. If you have soft water (difference is only in Micro botlle and its calcium content) than you might have issues with too much of a calcium locking out magnesium potassium and other elements.
 
xtsho said:
You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. I don't know who Dr MJ Coco is and it really doesn't matter as most of these cannabis instructional sites are full of crap anyway with all their cannabis specific nonsense. It's a damn plant. Treat it like one. There is nothing special about cannabis that it needs all this voodoo or some damn schedule to grow. Mix your nutes with tap water and pH to between 5.8 and 6.2. That range is close enough and should be easy to hit.
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i dont think i am, im following a nice site that can explain why they do each thing they do and prior to this all i had was grow weed easy and google and threads i dont have an account with, the sites you mean that are rinky dink i know what you mean but, many threads here i seen already brought up this site as great info which is when i decided to follow, not the supplements though. i see people want to make a source that has all needs to find that this site has most info on coco, hard to make one with all mediums i see people try and it just complicates things and makes more matirial to surf through to recap something and sure i may type excessively but its to help give specifics to help diagnose, seems like all im being suggested to change is lowering the calmag doses and im willing to try i have several plants lol but before dr mjcoco i didnt know jack, none bothered explaining plants use RO to uptake water, runoff measurement being a proxy to whats going on suspended in rootzone, it really hits most key takeaways that anywhere else is vague compared to. all that site did was post what the mfg recommended you do. “The simple answer is that the coco is constantly breaking down. As large fibers of coco break down in the pots they expose new surface areas of the coco fiber. This also exposes new cation exchange sites that will take Ca and Mg from your nutrient solution and reduce the amount available to the plant.” was able to quickly pull that but those rinky dink sites dont have all this, just blotchy patches of info on all medias.
 
Snickerpus said:
If you worry about your coco is not being buffered, you can just make only calmag solution of the same strenght of your actual food is, pH it to 6,0 make a nice drench than re-feed the coco with ballanced food straight afterwards. If you have hard water version you are just fine with your tap of 0,5EC. If you have soft water (difference is only in Micro botlle and its calcium content) than you might have issues with too much of a calcium locking out magnesium potassium and other elements.
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i buffer thouroughly but it continues to break down, its how i learned i was rinsing too hard because in my over rinsed batch i had less coco by a long shot and its still brwaking down into dust.
 
medidedicated said:
i dont think i am, im following a nice site that can explain why they do each thing they do and prior to this all i had was grow weed easy and google and threads i dont have an account with, the sites you mean that are rinky dink i know what you mean but, many threads here i seen already brought up this site as great info which is when i decided to follow, not the supplements though. i see people want to make a source that has all needs to find that this site has most info on coco, hard to make one with all mediums i see people try and it just complicates things and makes more matirial to surf through to recap something and sure i may type excessively but its to help give specifics to help diagnose, seems like all im being suggested to change is lowering the calmag doses and im willing to try i have several plants lol but before dr mjcoco i didnt know jack, none bothered explaining plants use RO to uptake water, runoff measurement being a proxy to whats going on suspended in rootzone, it really hits most key takeaways that anywhere else is vague compared to. all that site did was post what the mfg recommended you do. “The simple answer is that the coco is constantly breaking down. As large fibers of coco break down in the pots they expose new surface areas of the coco fiber. This also exposes new cation exchange sites that will take Ca and Mg from your nutrient solution and reduce the amount available to the plant.” was able to quickly pull that but those rinky dink sites dont have all this, just blotchy patches of info on all medias.
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I don't understand this comment you made:

"none bothered explaining plants use RO to uptake water,"
 
Snickerpus said:
Is that trio soft of hard water version?
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appears to be soft water but like i said i bring tap down with distilled to .35 EC. edit: thanks for helping me figure out the ranges of soft med and hard waters, my source doesnt say that and .35 EC is considered hard water but not sure if the ranges apply to garderning water, im sure it does. but im getting RO system soon i found a perfect one.
 
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xtsho said:
I don't understand this comment you made:

"none bothered explaining plants use RO to uptake water,"
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it doesnt explain anywhere in my early days of research, you get better incentive when its your own grow, but none of these sites of general or generic info on growing explain that the plant has to produce sugars in its roots to make a higher ec than the media to pull water naturally through RO and that the plant has little to do with uptake, its a natural process with chemestry… and that inconsistancy wastes plant energy to constantly correct internal EC. i didnt know any of this. but this site dr mj coco is pretty good its like a generic grow bible for coco that is easy to surf through and VERY informal. other sites are just like eh ya water and nutes and such and thats it. this site even has its own forum but i love this site waaay better for forum use. and to be fair i havent found anyone close to me who even knew this themselves about the RO thing. im talking about growweedeasy.com ilovegrowingmarijuana.com etc, forums are awesome but its not as good if youre reading as a nonmember from afar
 
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xtsho said:
I swear, I've never seen so much nonsense to mix up some nutrients to water plants in coco. Why do so many cannabis growers turn a simple task that I could show a child how to do into something more difficult than launching a man into space?
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Have you ever thought about somebody starting his first grow following site for begginers regarding growing in coco? In short you should have been banned for this attitude DECADES ago. You are discouraging and dishonesting EVERY member asking for help in troubles on daily basis. You are just like a moth and HPS, you are making this place unfriendly and toxic, like a fungus gnat. Welcome next to that harley potassium clown :bigjoint:
 
medidedicated said:
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appears to be soft water but like i said i bring tap down with distilled to .35 EC. edit: thanks for helping me figure out the ranges of soft med and hard waters, my source doesnt say that and .35 EC is considered hard water but not sure if the ranges apply to garderning water, im sure it does. but im getting RO system soon i found a perfect one.
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No need to dilute your tap at this stage of grow. Let say 0,5 is on the edge but still managable somehow. Check the back label for calcium content, where 6% of calcium oxide is formula for soft water. Take into consideration that info provided on CFC is good but sometimes it is not fully accurate. Most of the people started with growweedeasy and cocoforcannabis and there is nothing wrong about that. I recommend those sites to all new growers, but better info about growing in coco is manixbotanix. BTW seeds sprouted in 0,8ec where tap is 0,5 and 0,3 all purpose salt without calmag and they look normal. Lets see the first serrated leaf if the will be some calcium issue. Do not worry about coco breakdown unless you plan to reveg and flower your plant again.
 
Snickerpus said:
No need to dilute your tap at this stage of grow. Let say 0,5 is on the edge but still managable somehow. Check the back label for calcium content, where 6% of calcium oxide is formula for soft water. Take into consideration that info provided on CFC is good but sometimes it is not fully accurate. Most of the people started with growweedeasy and cocoforcannabis and there is nothing wrong about that. I recommend those sites to all new growers, but better info about growing in coco is manixbotanix. BTW seeds sprouted in 0,8ec where tap is 0,5 and 0,3 all purpose salt without calmag and they look normal. Lets see the first serrated leaf if the will be some calcium issue. Do not worry about coco breakdown unless you plan to reveg and flower your plant again.
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Flora Micro is 5% Calcium derived from Calcium Carbonate and Calcium Nitrate

I'm unaware of any hydro nute using Calcium Oxide
 
Billy the Mountain said:
Flora Micro is 5% Calcium derived from Calcium Carbonate and Calcium Nitrate

I'm unaware of any hydro nute using Calcium Oxide
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I am in Europe so salt used for mixing those nutrients can differ. I am sure my trio has calcium oxide as their calmag do. How do they deriver from calcium carbonate?
 
Snickerpus said:
Have you ever thought about somebody starting his first grow following site for begginers regarding growing in coco? In short you should have been banned for this attitude DECADES ago. You are discouraging and dishonesting EVERY member asking for help in troubles on daily basis. You are just like a moth and HPS, you are making this place unfriendly and toxic, like a fungus gnat. Welcome next to that harley potassium clown :bigjoint:
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What I know is that people like you and your convoluted ridiculous advice is part of the reason new growers may struggle. I've read some of your posts and most of it is pure garbage.

Most people would rather get correct information from an asshole like me than someone that doesn't know what the hell their talking about.


Think about this for a minute. You sit here saying I make this place toxic yet you're the one making personal attacks degrading people. Too funny.

I'll let you clowns go back to figuring out how to mix a batch of nutrients. It's not as if it can't be done. I've been doing it for decades. It requires no more effort than urinating in a toilet which is where most of your posts belong.

Have a nice day. :)
 
xtsho said:
What I know is that people like you and your convoluted ridiculous advice is part of the reason new growers may struggle. I've read some of your posts and most of it is pure garbage.

Most people would rather get correct information from an asshole like me than someone that doesn't know what the hell their talking about.


Think about this for a minute. You sit here saying I make this place toxic yet you're the one making personal attacks degrading people. Too funny.

I'll let you clowns go back to figuring out how to mix a batch of nutrients. It's not as if it can't be done. I've been doing it for decades. It requires no more effort than urinating in a toilet which is where most of your posts belong.

Have a nice day. :)
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i was open to critisism and new information i was just explaining why i use calmg. im real curious though, what medium do you use if i may ask? if its the same as mine i would interpret your advice differently. really we were talking about how to keep large amounts of nutes fresh and then additional questions which were answered but your advice as i interpret it is just keep going forward and ignore signs of issues not how to correct them. are you implying to switch mediums? otherwise theres nothing wrong with comparing NER methods its hydro its part of the art of growing hydro, i seen people talk about the same medium just different NER and feed frequency tactics that are advanced and have impressive results so i dont understand whats fustrating about talking about it its not like my plants arent growing until i figure it out, just making adjustments as needed.
 
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