Modified Jacks 321 schedule

haze010

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sorry but telling somebody to run full strength on a clone is bad advice.

good growers don't need to go over 1.2 EC ever.
Again you have amazing reading comprehension, I'm not telling anyone to do what I do. I answered the op what works for me.

On all my sativa cuts they don't even look close to healthy till near 1.4ec. that same strength would turn my indicas into a burnt mess. I follow what my plants tell me by their health not by what the ec meter told me, my meter is simply to be able to give that exact amount next time or adjust it if the plants tell me to or to keep it the same.
 

Cabrone

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May seem crazy but I take my well rooted clones right to 1000 PPM and they explode. No signs of it being too strong.
Wow. I usually wait til they are established in my flood buckets for a week before going to full strength. Am I just holding them back?
I am new to hydro so advice from experienced full time growers is always appreciated! RIU rocks! Thanks guys
 

haze010

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May seem crazy but I take my well rooted clones right to 1000 PPM and they explode. No signs of it being too strong.
No no no, you're a bad grower cause what worked for you isn't what he did!! (That's sarcasm for the extremely literate bunch that might miss it)

I've yet to see a clone in a bubbler that didn't love juicy high ppm, but I'm not about to call someone who does it differently and successfully a moron.
 

haze010

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I have seen so many times, folks running an EC of 1.6 and having all sorta issues. I asked them to up the feed to around 2.0 and bam problems went away. To each their own but I can't get good results below 2.0, ever.
That's cause there are a million other factors that influence how hungry your plant is. How much light is hitting it is a major one, so is strain. Even things like humidity affect it. There is no wrong answer, there is what works for you in your environment with your genetics.
 

Cabrone

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i'm using Jack's Tap (new formula for cannabis) in DTW hydro.
good growers don't need to go over 1.2 EC ever.
I am just starting out in hydro and I'm using jacks 3-2-1 at full strength, after the 1st week, and have some nice looking grand daddy purple at 4 weeks into flower. My EC is 2.4 -1200ppm (500scale). You are about half that? I'm sure that it is working for you, or you would adapt. We all want beautiful full plants. You obviously have some good knowledge and experience! But there is truth here.
That's cause there are a million other factors that influence how hungry your plant is. How much light is hitting it is a major one, so is strain. Even things like humidity affect it. There is no wrong answer, there is what works for you in your environment with your genetics.
 

Renfro

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Any/all strains?
All.

It's not just how strong the mix is but whats in it. I have seen tip burn and dark green leaves from a feed at 1.6 EC (800 PPM) because it had too much nitrogen. Of course signs of other elements lacking was also present.

Every grow is different but I can't even count how many times I have seen growers that are on the weak sauce train, so worried about feeding too strong, ending up with deficiencies and all they had to do to correct it is raise the PPM.
 

haze010

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All.

It's not just how strong the mix is but whats in it. I have seen tip burn and dark green leaves from a feed at 1.6 EC (800 PPM) because it had too much nitrogen. Of course signs of other elements lacking was also present.

Every grow is different but I can't even count how many times I have seen growers that are on the weak sauce train, so worried about feeding too strong, ending up with deficiencies and all they had to do to correct it is raise the PPM.
Totally, another factor is that different trace elements conduct electricity differently. So adding a shitton of one thing may not influence that meter as much as a tiny amount of a different trace element. Ppm readings from a $30.meter are abit of a crapshoot to begin with.
 

Renfro

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Totally, another factor is that different trace elements conduct electricity differently. So adding a shitton of one thing may not influence that meter as much as a tiny amount of a different trace element. Ppm readings from a $30.meter are abit of a crapshoot to begin with.
Yes an EC measurement is just a ball park figure. True elemental PPM can be significantly different. Also the EC isn't always linear depending on the element/s involved.

It's always good to do the math on your feed and know how many mg/l you have of each element.
 

gkay723

Active Member
Yes an EC measurement is just a ball park figure. True elemental PPM can be significantly different. Also the EC isn't always linear depending on the element/s involved.

It's always good to do the math on your feed and know how many mg/l you have of each element.
Would you consider giving jacks another try?
 

Renfro

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Would you consider giving jacks another try?
Probably not, I just get such amazing results from the GH and have been using it for so long that it's second nature to me. For me the cost of nutrients isn't a big deal. My real cost is electricity. Nutrients cost me about a grand per cycle (for both flowering rooms) and yeah I could cut that down to say 25 or 30% but I risk a crops yield and quality. When I am pulling 45 - 55 pounds per crop the cost of nutrients isn't a big deal for me. I just love the flavor I get from the GH, terpene production is superb. In my case, if it ain't broke I am not fixing it lol.
 

thenasty1

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another $.02 for the pile
as ren said, its about whats in the feed. if the balance of this to that to the other thing is correct, you can feed pretty strong and not have problems. when im dealing with sprouts or unrooted cuts, they get my recipe at 42% (about 1 ec) until they have a couple sets of leaves or a serviceable root mass, but everything else gets full strength (1.8-2 ec for me, and i have seen people running my recipe stronger without issue too). this is in several different rooms/tents, with different setups in each. the de fry-your-eyeballs production room and the 240w led r&d tent both respond the same to my feeding strategy
 
sorry but i disagree. @buyyouabeer is correct: telling people to run full strength nutes from start to finish is bad advice. and the other dude criticized him for it.

i'm using Jack's Tap (new formula for cannabis) in DTW hydro.
Jack's tap? Interesting , I Haven't heard of that formula yet, would you Care to share?..Or is there a thread/post on here for that I can check out?.thanks man
 
Jack's tap? Interesting , I Haven't heard of that formula yet, would you Care to share?..Or is there a thread/post on here for that I can check out?.thanks man
I actually just found one of your post explaining your situation with your tap being high in Cal. I had this same issue with my well water being too hard and screwing up many of grows because of it. I had no choice but to purchase an R.O system if i wanted to start without guessing what the 300ppm of start solution is actually (found out mostly Calcium, waters hard)..good luck I'll be following-
 

rkymtnman

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Jack's tap? Interesting , I Haven't heard of that formula yet, would you Care to share?..Or is there a thread/post on here for that I can check out?.thanks man
it's jacks' tap 15-5-20. i sent my well analysis in and Dr Peters replied with what she thought would be optimum. my well is much lower than yours; only 0.2EC
 

rkymtnman

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Do you add anything else with that? To me it looks low on Ca, Mg, S, Fe and the other micros; that's not going to work in my environment. Going to stick with my 321.
nope. got more ca and mg than DG foliage pro which is a proven cannabis nute start to finish.
only running at 0.7EC (0.2EC well) and no deficiencies. @haze010 thinks i need to run at 2.0EC yet his plant shows tip burn and mg deficiency. lol.

what are your threshold elemental ppms for the micros?
 

buyyouabeer

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what are your threshold elemental ppms for the micros?
I do not measure my ppms or even worry about it anymore. Years ago I read through page after page of the guys on here using 321 (and THC Farmer), I even played around with the nutrient calculator spreadsheet. Now I just try to read the plants (look for Ca spots, tip burn etc.) and adjust the strength. I have always struggled with Ca issues in my grows, could be the coco based soil and my QBs and COB lighting but Jacks 321 solved most of that. Was curious about the tap line you mentioned but after comparing the percentages was like nope. I also like sulfur for enhancing the funky aromas. The other side of the argument is that I always grow from seeds and pick four different varieties so I never really learn a specific plants needs. They sort of get what all the others get vs doing clones over and over and learning their exact requirements.
 

rkymtnman

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I do not measure my ppms or even worry about it anymore. Years ago I read through page after page of the guys on here using 321 (and THC Farmer), I even played around with the nutrient calculator spreadsheet. Now I just try to read the plants (look for Ca spots, tip burn etc.) and adjust the strength. I have always struggled with Ca issues in my grows, could be the coco based soil and my QBs and COB lighting but Jacks 321 solved most of that. Was curious about the tap line you mentioned but after comparing the percentages was like nope. I also like sulfur for enhancing the funky aromas. The other side of the argument is that I always grow from seeds and pick four different varieties so I never really learn a specific plants needs. They sort of get what all the others get vs doing clones over and over and learning their exact requirements.
well you mentioned iron and the other micros. Tap has more than GH micro and DG FP so i'm not sure how you come up with that it lacks micros. what are the micro % of jacks321?
but yes, i agree with the Sulfur. I add that via Epsom in flower. i've only had one strain need Ca since i switched to well years ago. i never grow the same strain twice: usually multistrains at the same time
 
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