Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Doer · Aug 26, 2013

People should not get lost in this hippy shit. All these false arguments are only one thing. It is the ranting of Luddites that intend to block progress.

The progress here, Sophie, is to get better and more consistent yield. THAT IS ALL. It is not making God-fruit or whatever else the baby minds can conjure.

It does work for more consistency, but this approach, so far, is a wash for yield. But, 85% of all corn is already GMO based on consistancy for the equipment and a steady predicable yield.

Don't listen to the stupid hippies.

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
ok sorry a few companies . . .its not like i can go GMO my own foods . . . . i can grow my own though . . .

this splittign hairs thing is petty . . . . . maybe you all shoudl jus tgo create your own Pro GMO thread and i can read what you have to say . . . . ..

It is more than a few companies, or corporations.
You should educate yourself about golden rice, then you would take back your douchey statement about "eating right."

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
There a link posted in this thread numerous times that has 600 independently funded studies some dating back to the 1980s that show that GMO crops are safe.

Now it is your turn. You tell me why vegetables, grains and fruits are not safe.

Some say cucumbers taste better pickled.
Try to focus.

You ignorance is pretty astounding. You do not understand what GMO means.

Seriously, you do not understand what you are talking about.

ya infused vitamins aka powdered vitamins are not easily absorbed by your body as naturally occuring ones . . . . . .i cant make you learn

and ya that 600 studie4s study . . that keeps gettign not linked correctly . . . its somewhere . . . .

not sure how you just proved yourself . . but . . please proceed to give yourself a high five for the effort

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
no . . .i want my food labeld stop trying to make me say things i dont intend or have not . .that is manipulative and directly intentionaly deceptive

Sammy Sophistry is appealing to emotion.
You will give me control of your brain. Resistance is futile.
emotional appeals do not work on me. I am a robot, built by an evil corporation set on destroying the world.

Could you show me something, anything that is a good reason to label foods as being GMO?

Again, if you do not want to eat GMO stuff, buy organic and shop at Whole Foods.
Whole Foods has jumped on the GMO bandwagon and is happy to sell you very expensive non-GMO foods.

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
It is more than a few companies, or corporations.
You should educate yourself about golden rice, then you would take back your douchey statement about "eating right."

so you fix a bad socioeconomic conditions with golden rice . . . got it . . . ill have to remember that

Doer · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
no . . .i want my food labeld stop trying to make me say things i dont intend or have not . .that is manipulative and directly intentionaly deceptive

I am putting your words back on you. Unlike others I prefer dark mind influence to arguments you can't hear.

You have not address directly a single point I'm making.

You want labels of some kind, but what about labels that would have destroyed the Organic business still born.

This juice contains not less that .001% animal feces. Any less in not possible.

Is that what you want? You can't be honest with us yet, can you?

How many young and dumb vegans would drink that?

Hey sam, you are a smart guy I can tell. So listen to ole Doer who is only trying to help, not debate.

The thing is those same laws under self rule that protect the organic farmer are the same that protect all the farmers. And the same that protect the entire Industry.

The Farm Bill. The Farm Bill was specifically changed to block the very idea put forward by the OP.

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
Sammy Sophistry is appealing to emotion.
You will give me control of your brain. Resistance is futile.
emotional appeals do not work on me. I am a robot, built by an evil corporation set on destroying the world.

Could you show me something, anything that is a good reason to label foods as being GMO?

Again, if you do not want to eat GMO stuff, buy organic and shop at Whole Foods.
Whole Foods has jumped on the GMO bandwagon and is happy to sell you very expensive non-GMO foods.

people deserve a right to knwo what they are eating . . . .pretty basic . . . .

do you have a good reason to not label foods as being GMO?

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Doer said:
I am putting your words back on you. Unlike other I prefer dark mind influence to arguments you can't hear.

You have not adress directly a single point I'm making.

You want labels of some kind, but what about labels that would have distroyed the Organic business still born.

This juice contains not less that .001% animal feces. Any less in not possible.

Is that what you are for also? You can't be honest with us yet, can you?

How many young and dumb vegans would drink that?

Hey sam, you are a smart guy I can tell. So listen to ole Doer who is only trying to help, not debate.

those labels are national standards . . .. . . how is that the same as . . this product contains GMO or this products is 10% juice

or natural additives or flavours . . .being labeled . . . . . .how is it any different

its not national standards to GMO food . . . .

also let snot forget

a larger majority, like 80%+ in every poll wants it and it serves no purpose other then to inform people of what they are eating . . . .

not sure why you all are so obtuse

st0wandgrow · Aug 26, 2013

http://idc-america.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/One_Straw_Farming_Fukuoka.pdf

No need for chemicals, or fucking with our food if we learned how to do things properly. Plants, and the microbes in the soil that work symbiotically with them have found the best approach through millions of years of trial and error. Are we so egotistical as a species to believe that we know better?

The "progress" that companies like Monsanto lay claim to will be the death of this planet.

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
ya infused vitamins aka powdered vitamins are not easily absorbed by your body as naturally occuring ones . . . . . .i cant make you learn

This has nothing to do with GMO. Try to focus.

Samwell Seed Well said:
and ya that 600 studie4s study . . that keeps gettign not linked correctly . . . its somewhere . . . .

not sure how you just proved yourself . . but . . please proceed to give yourself a high five for the effort

You are terrible at the interwebs. How does the google work?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoiID3EuxBOYdExZSF9VQk1iR0pBXzlzaTFQYWp3SVE#gid=0

http://www.biofortified.org/genera/guide/

Now it is your turn, again.

Doer · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
so you fix a bad socioeconomic conditions with golden rice . . . got it . . . ill have to remember that

Go look in the mirror when you dump this shit. Golden rice to supplement an important vitamin that helps us think. Thinking better is what fixes.

Sophistry is to say the rice can't change the system.

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

the issue for pro GMOers is that they are fighting two fronts . . . . .the never never never GMO crowd

and the

ethical moral obligations GMO crowd

label your products . . . so teh consumer knows its called transparency

and if their food is safe and cheaper then theirs no issue . . .fuck walmart is growing every year . . .cheaper products and more of em

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Doer said:
Go look in the mirror when you dump this shit. Golden rice to supplement an important vitamin that helps us think. Thinking better is what fixes.

Sophistry is to say the rice can't change the system.

oh so all of a sudden we need golden rice is your prerogative now

no one ever got by before without golden rice . . . .and you truly believe this . .that we will "think " better cause of golden rice(oh theirs that word agian) how about this it helps us think( totally subjective but ok it helps)

like i said earlier a band aid dont fix a stroke

ill break that down for you

golden rice's innovation doesn't trump the unhealthy individuals responsibility to take care of them selves . . . . .and have proper nutrition

and in third world countries . . .golden rice and "thinking" help , wont fix the conditions and economy that contributed to the current socioeconomic issues at hand . . . a band aid dont fix a stroke . . .but please proceed with your god send golden rice

golden rice is going to help me spell

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
those labels are national standards . . .. . . how is that the same as . . this product contains GMO or this products is 10% juice

or natural additives or flavours . . .being labeled . . . . . .how is it any different

its not national standards to GMO food . . . .

Why label foods GMO? Do you thin they are harmful?
"Just wanting to know" is not a good reason. Why do you just want to know?

Samwell Seed Well said:
also let snot forget

a larger majority, like 80%+ in every poll wants it and it serves no purpose other then to inform people of what they are eating . . . .

not sure why you all are so obtuse

You are like a child calling scientists dumb. It is weird.
Can you find me those studies that show the harm of GMO vegetables, fruits and grains?

Why do you want them labled?

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
the issue for pro GMOers is that they are fighting two fronts . . . . .the never never never GMO crowd

and the

ethical moral obligations GMO crowd

label your products . . . so teh consumer knows its called transparency

Why label?
Do you believe that GMO vegetables, grains and fruits are harmful?

Samwell Seed Well said:
and if their food is safe and cheaper then theirs no issue . . .fuck walmart is growing every year . . .cheaper products and more of em

Are you drunk?

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
Why label foods GMO? Do you thin they are harmful?
"Just wanting to know" is not a good reason. Why do you just want to know?

You are like a child calling scientists dumb. It is weird.
Can you find me those studies that show the harm of GMO vegetables, fruits and grains?

Why do you want them labled?

what i think doesn't matter . . about safety . . i dont think lack of evidence is evidence so that my thoughts on that

i want them labeled like every other product on the market . . .so consumers know what they are purchasing with their hard earned money

why is it you dont think they should be labeled?

Samwell Seed Well · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
Why label?
Do you believe that GMO vegetables, grains and fruits are harmful?

Are you drunk?

my opinion on safety is that , time will tell, i have doubts uncertainties like Doer said . . . .and i do not foolishly put stock in science that is new as , being unequivocally infallible . . . . . do you

and i dont feel that lack of evidence is evidecne

cigarettes were healthy

weed is still not medical federally . . .you can cling to your prescribed opinions all you want . .. i still choose to keep an open mind about it all

st0wandgrow · Aug 26, 2013

Trousers said:
Why label foods GMO? Do you thin they are harmful?
"Just wanting to know" is not a good reason. Why do you just want to know?

You are like a child calling scientists dumb. It is weird.
Can you find me those studies that show the harm of GMO vegetables, fruits and grains?

Why do you want them labled?

Why not?? Are you suggesting that we shouldn't know what it is we're eating? Just dump whatever these for-profit companies are selling down your yapper no questions asked?

Trousers · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
oh so all of a sudden we need golden rice is your prerogative now

no one ever got by before without golden rice . . . .and you truly believe this . .that we will "think " better cause of golden rice(oh theirs that word agian) how about this it helps us think( totally subjective but ok it helps)

You are arguing against something you know very little about.
Golden Rice can help lessen blindness caused by malnutrition.
It would indeed help those thta avoided blindness.

Samwell Seed Well said:
like i said earlier a band aid dont fix a stroke

Why do you hate children in poorer countries and want them to be blind?
The people behind Golden rice are powerless to change the politics, so they are trying to help children.
Your comments are ignorant and a little offensive.

Samwell Seed Well said:
ill break that down for you

You have offered nothing factual, so this will be more bullshit, I imagine.

Samwell Seed Well said:
golden rice's innovation doesn't trump the unhealthy individuals responsibility to take care of them selves . . . . .and have proper nutrition

That is such a tremendously ignorant statement. You have entered into the

Samwell Seed Well said:
and in third world countries . . .golden rice and "thinking" help , wont fix the conditions and economy that contributed to the current socioeconomic issues at hand . . . a band aid dont fix a stroke . . .but please proceed with your god send golden rice

Have you come up with a good reason to label foods GMO?

Samwell Seed Well said:
golden rice is going to help me spell

Or help you quit using sophistry instead of logic.

st0wandgrow · Aug 26, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
people deserve a right to knwo what they are eating . . . .pretty basic . . . .

do you have a good reason to not label foods as being GMO?

How people can argue ^^THAT^^, is beyond me.

If Monsanto took a shit in a brown paper bag and told you that it was safe to eat, apparently there are some on this thread that would dig in.

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