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Dude like Jo said makes perfect sense. Hard water micro is for regular tap water and you are still using the R/O 5 gallons from the grocery store correct? Get rid of that shit and try to buy some new nutes as well. You can go and get some GH for half the price of AN or H&G and you only really need to buy the quart size which will last you for a couple of crops with your scale of grow. Now I am not knocking H&G I have done some research on some of their additives for example the root exelurator and the shooting powder I am even considering giving them a try. As far as base nutrients your grow and bloom GH is what I recomend for you its alot easier for you to mess with. Ohh and we cant forget the floralicious even though it is an additive this shit rocks!!! Hope the regular micro fixes the problem. Get at me if you run into any troubles. I will be by to check you out. Be easy bro.

Definitely agree a product like GH (or similar, Cutting Edge Solutions or HydroponiX) is the best route here for our friend, because of it's widely known success and simplicity, and I will absolutely vouch that Floralicious is awesome, but Floralicious Plus makes all the difference in the world baby, it's basically BioHeaven from BioBizz, but GH had the rights to the recipe from years back when BioBizz could not be sold in the US, but there was a very high demand for BioHeaven.

The reason I offer the H&G is because I have a free L of A & B laying around and I want to use it before it goes bad. The additives are expensive, but they are all very useful. Roots Excelurator is awesome and is good until mid bloom, Algen Extract nis pretty good, but absolutely unnecessary if you are using Roots Excelurator, you don't save money one way or the other, but Roots Excelurator is more gentle and I see better results. Algen Extract is more for moms than anything. The Multi Zen is a great enzyme product and is good to clean up your root mass when you begin flowering, but if you use a compost tea than you should have plenty of enzymes already, you really don't want to add additional enzymes to a DWC system anyways, it can create slime. Using a tea that will breed enzymes is fine and encouraged, but do not add additional enzymes from a bottle. The BUD XL is a general flower fattening booster that works really great, I like this product and it is easy to use. The Top Booster is a inbetween product for Shooting Powder and BUD XL, it is just a diluted Shooting Powder from what I understand, but it's important so you can slowly bring it into it. I don't know if there is a real difference, but I use both just to be safe and so I can properly dose my plants. Shooting Powder is something I recommend to all synthetic farming gardeners. It signals end of life with a strong punch of hormones, as well as a high p/k ratio, it claims to add 30% dry weight by the end of harvest, and that is a little exaggerated, but I swear to god it's not far off, 20%+ without any doubt in my mind. It creates a cool "Nug-splosion" effect where calyx's are busting out of eachother and stacking, not because of a fox tail trait in the plant, but because the calyx's are so dense they don't have anywhere else to go.

The new Amino Boost I got to test before it even came out on the market. Shit is soooo fucking tits, really makes a difference, I like it a lot, but a little bit of molasses, liquid karma, and silica is basically the same thing, and I already have all that laying around, and my Amino Boost sample finally went rank when I tried to use it again after laying around for about a year, nearly killed my fucking crop because I didn't woft the bottle.




But yeah, like we were saying, get that regular Micro formula, lol. Flora Nova or Flora Duo may be a good choice for you in the future, really simple, and really good results. I've been watching my noob friend play with the flora duo, and dumb-dumb still doesn't have a pH and ppm meter but he is doing okay, lock out already cost him a plant though because he can't test them. But I like Flora Nova a lot, and Mega just about has me converted back over to them. Cheap and simple, no additives needed, but it works well with all additives.

Damn Joz, that is a pretty in depth product analysis, even though half of the things you mentioned don't make too much sense to me/ not familiar with them. I, as always, am willing to take anything that you are willing to send me. Of course, I would not want to get myself and my plants involved in a nutrient lineup that will completely change things, nor would I want to change to a nutrient lineup that is significantly more expensive than GH flora series - because as you said it has been proven time and time again (Mega uses it right?) and I can find quite a few peeps who use it which makes it easier to compare problems and whatnot. Also, as we all know, the GH series is dirt cheap compared to most of the other series I have seen, perhaps with the exception of TechnaFlora (you almost had me switched). If those aqua flakes wont mess with anything in the GH Flora series then I'm all for it!

Mega ; Did you say for me to get rid of my 5 gal RO? It sounded like it, but unfortunately my tap water is kind of fucked. Gives people cancer around here and kills my plants, so RO is the only option, at least until I get the fuck out of this shit hole. I did get rid of the old micro annnnnndddd....

I picked up some Micro today, the regular kind ; )
Fed the clones and seedlings less than an hour ago at 500ppm ; pH at 6.1
I did 5-6ml Gro ; 3ml Micro ; 3ml Bloom - that was all.

Here are the pictures of the clones and seedlings, and their problems of course;


A little light issue up in the corner.. It doesn't produce too much light in the flower room when the lights are off.. but IDK... and some light that comes through the door and panda film, again, barely any;

And the ladies in flower - By the way.. its only day 49 of Flower, so 7th week, they are said to be done in 10 weeks.. well nvm, shit. I thought that they weren't really that far behind but I guess they are; Also a few little buds on bottom getting frosty-



I topped both of them today since they wouldn't stop growing, and already had gone past the light. Maybe this will help some of the lower buds fatten up and lengthen out, or that was my thinking at least. I put the top from the KF in another little hempy, I really just didnt want to throw it away, and smoking it seemed stupid since I have this awesome weed. The outdoor harvests must be done in NM or CO. Maybe its from CA, prolly not.

Good job on the micro.

Bad job topping so late into flower, that'll just take them back another week while they recover, probably.

You definitely are going to go past week 10 no matter what, and I don't think you want to continue on with the clones, give them another shot in flower, but that is it if you don't see a return. I think the calcium in the regular micro formula will make a huge difference in performance.

And light leeks are unacceptable and would explain the slow budding as well. 1/2 a foot candle can totally offset flowering on portions of the plant that are exposed to light. It can drastically reduce yield on the rest of the plant too.

I will get on these light leaks ASAP.

How they liking all the new calci-yum? I'm going to sell that name to a vitamin company.

They look like shit dude, haha.Thanks for asking though. I fed them 500ppm last night and when I woke up the tops had gotten perky again, but the brown/black/yellow crisping leaves had continued upwards to the upper 1/3 of the clones' fan leaves. All of them look worse. The seedlings have progressed crisping and shit as well starting down low, but look better than the clones.

I checked the runoff and saw that it was up to 6.5. WHaT THE FUCK. Got pissed and killed an old beanie baby with a knife, but now am in the process of flushing them. I always pH my shit down to 5.8-6.0.. so this is very very frustrating. I ran a gal of water over/through them with THAT water being pH'd to 5.5, thinking I would bring it down little by little and keep checking the runoff, but the fucking runoff stayed at 6.5.. So I just bought 4 fucking huge 5 gal things of water like I do once a week, haul them up 5 flights of fuckin stairs, and get to go through half of them today because bad bad shit keeps inexplicably happening to me. I do not fucking understand how I can have so many fucking problems when I follow every fucking step that works for other people. FUCK.

Pictures of the fucks

God dammit man. I am sorry to hear that. But you had me rolling when I read you stabbed up a old beanie baby! You can always start over bro, remember that, it's never too late to start over. I think after you get over this lock out and calcium def you'll continue rolling onward, but it seems like at this point they may never reach their full potential. Keep rolling with them until you have something new to work with though, you might just get them to turn around. Any progress in the flower room?

I picked all the dead leaves off of my clones and seedlings, and today they got 450ppm at 5.5 -
I checked the runoff on every cup, and they were mostly 5.7 pH and 440ppm. The highest pH I got on my runoff was 5.8, and the lowest was 5.5. I expect the lower ones to gain more alkalinity during the next few days (that seems to be the trend), so they will be ok I think.

But what do yall think?


I also fixed the light leaks that I posted earlier (somewhat), there is still some light coming in but there is not much I can do about it. I'd say I cut the light leaking in by one half, and when I get some more duct tape and go crazy on it, I'd say I can reduce it again by one-half.


Here are the ladies in flower, benefiting from the increase in nutrients I do believe. There are some curling leaves.. kind of claw - like in all honesty, that are worrying. The rest of the plant, and lower budding sites seem to be fine on the KF, the JackHammer doesnt show any of the same claw-like leaf structure, but has its own set of crazy leaf issues, and I have no idea why. I suppose I am fairly impressed with myself for keeping it alive.

pH at 5.8, ppm at 950 or thereabouts.



My nutrients, my derelict HardWater Micro , and my unused hempies - begging to be playing with.

Claw like leaf structures are from a ca/mg def, since they were def so long the normal micro formula may not fix the problem, you may want to go buy a cheap bottly of CalMax by GroTek and use that in the juice, it also lowers your pH.

The size of your buds is pissing me off. lol. At day 70 they should be near done, and your's look like they are only on day 20. I know what is wrong with your clones, I don't know why I didn't see it before, it's because we always try and think complex, but like Mega says, KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid!! It's the size of your pots, not just the ca/mg issue, you need to transplant all your clones/seedlings into your final hempy buckets. Those plants stretch so crazy, and you are so behind on schedule, I believe your best bet is to transplant everything into it's final hempy container, and then give it 5-10 days to root, and then immediately into the flower room, wherever they will fit, and lifted up to the light as high as possible. You need a perpetual thing going on fast, and those hempies need transplant, and you need a new generation, and those KF's get fracking huge, so I think that is the best solution. That way, while you are waiting on your current plants to finish up, you aren't suffering huge loses in supplies and utilities.

Once again, it is not cool, to leave dead (brown) or dying (yellow) leaves on your plant, pull them off right away! All they do at this point is suck your plant dry, rather than supply it with food. They are a parasite.
Use more duct tape on those light leaks, or completely redo it, don't rig anything half assed unless you have too. Those light leaks are the key reason (besides ca/mg) that your flowering plants are taking sooooo long! Oh, 2 more things, what is in that Botanicare bottle and nice loafers. I fucking love my loafers.

The cal-mag has cal mag and nitrogen nitrate, the berry shit has nitrate too and whatever the fuck they put in it to make the plants taste like berries. I bought it originally because my plants tasted so good and so much like berries that i thought I'd go all out and accentuate it with some more product. Now I think it may have thrown my nutrient line up out of whack.

What's the NPK on the Sweet Berry?

Ah here tis, 1.5% water soluble magnesium and 2% combined sulfur for the original sweet berry by botanicare. Doesn't have an npk ratio anywhere on it..

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Ah here tis, 1.5% water soluble magnesium and 2% combined sulfur for the original sweet berry by botanicare. Doesn't have an npk ratio anywhere on it..

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Give them an email or a phone call. Assume their hours are east coast hours.

I use the Calmax from grotek like jo says. You definitely need to transplant those babies asap bro. How much water are you feeding those cups? How every so often do you flush. Those things are burning up and crisping up like that as if the had a crazy salt build up. Besides the fact the hardwater micro was fuking shit up and the calmag def you need to transplant and be very careful with light leaks they will really back you and can make your girls herm. I would love to get one of those KF and show you what time it is with that strain. I have seen it done right and ever since this has been a strain i have wanted to fuk with. I hope your is the purple pheno. is your kf3 or what???

They are the KF3 fo sheezy!!

I just fixed my light leaks as good as I possibly can today, and there really is a large difference. I fixed them up a little a few days ago and there has been better growth since then, so I expect to see and improvement. I will be pissed if they hermy, they are just now starting to put on size it looks like.
I had a bunch of different phenos in my first batch of seeds, I kept two, the green and the purple, the others all died. All of my clones came from the stinkiest, fastest growing, most purple one, (Megan Fox) and the seedlings are feminized seeds and three are purple phenos. The green is supposed to be tastier ya know, and purple is purple so I kept those.

I water my clones and seedlings in the cups once every 2 days. I pour until the solution comes gurgling up through the perlite, and the perlite threatens to spill out of the cup.
Today I flushed, it took some powerful pHing down to get them down into the 5.5-5.8 range, they seem to gain alkalinity very quickly. I usually do not flush them "persay", but after nutrients, the subsequent feeding is just water with cal-mag plus in it, pH'd down to 5.5, since the runoff always seems to be high (6.3+) after a few days, I have to pH some water waaay down, get them in the acceptable range 5.5-5.8 >then give them some nutes at 5.5-5.8.

In other news, I am going to have to wait for at least a week before I can get smart pots and the flora nova series.. I didnt realize I was out of gas, and had to fill up today which pretty much took out all of my poker earnings. Goddam v8's. I love the tritons but shit they are bad for your mpg.

WHEN I finally do get my SOG going in those smart pots, I am going to build a screen as well, because holy shit these things stretch and twist like vines.. it is nuts. These things climb and crawl around my lamp and ventilation ducts.. so perfect for a SOG SCROG muahaha! Oh and I think I will have to hand feed these suckers too in the smart pots, I dont have the equip for a drip system, although that sounds awesome...need to look into that.

Here are some pics of the ladies... Im getting rid of the two Jack Hammers that I cloned.. the smell of them is delicious but I want consistency for my next grow, and a solid harvest.

The jackHammer currently flowering is just a monster, but no crispy buds developing at all, and I am afraid by the time they do this thing will have taken over my entire closet. Might be a little choppage in the near future.

Oh, and Jozi they wont return my phone call - botanicare on the Sweet Berry issue.

Also, the clones got water at 260ppm, and 4.1. The runoff was 5.6-5.8 ph and 260-300ppm's

So I have finally got some action going on here after light leaks and a few pH fluctiated nutrient lockouts.. Lots of hair.

Here are the Killing Fields F3, pink pheno by the looks of it. Stalks are pinstriped purple, and the clones are all Megan Fox pheno KF3's. (purple n stanky )




This is the JackHammer and what I'm calling the Gunther Pheno;






Annnd here are my clones and 4 seedlings, and nice females. Not sure what phenos the seedlings are but again I know all my clones are female Megan Foxers. Except for the two ugly as shit ones with wavy leaves. Those are gunther pheno JackHammers that I cant bring myself to throw away yet. They are all just hanging in there until I can harvest my two girls in flower, then 4-6 of these will either go into another bubbleponics unit that I am in the process of designing, OR they will go into coco/perlite, in 3 gal smart pots.





Does anyone have a guestimate of when these hoes will be done? I have to be off to see the wizard around thanksgiving. Not the clones. The other ones.

Party cups are super long over due for a transplant.

But the nugs aren't ready to chop yet. It's very obvious now that light stress was the problem behind your buds not developing. So it'll slowly start to fill in.

Whats up all?! I know yall have been waiting for another super sweet update (LOLrus}- BUT first I gotta say thanks to everyone who has helped me through the past 6 months.

I have gotten sooo very close, (like scissors in hand) to choppin everything up and flushin it all down the toilet, but these peeps kept the faith with me, freak out to freak out, and were patient with me. Anyways it kills me that there aren't too many people like this out there now, and the only reason I mention any of this is because I'm dead certain that anyone can do this (garden) if they exercise the proper discretion, and keep at it. And have internet access to get on RIU, ha.

SO - if there is anyone reading this, and they are having issues, and are thinking about calling it quits,(cant sleep at night, breaking out, lots of xanax) this is a decision everyone has to make for themselves, but if you put in the time -and aren't a complete dumbass- you will have a lot of fun, and stay free.

So Thanks with a capital "T" to friggin;

Jozikins- this dude knows some frightening shit about gardening and has been right about every single issue that has come up in my garden, which is just fucking amazing. Shit I can't even find on google.

MegaYielder420 - Really his name should be The Coco King or some shit, because I have never seen plants this big, in coco. Like coco-nuts. bahah. Also an encyclopedia of veritable factoids.

Mr.StickyScissors - thanks dude, can't recall specifics - im kind of high right now -but I know you have helped me with multiple issues.

All of these persons get a gold star for the day.


Now for the fun stuff.

When transplanting three of the four plants I intend on using as mothers- into the hempy buckets, the most challenging process was the thorough washing of the perlite. In the past I had briefly rinsed it off with tap water, and ran some pH'd water through it afterwards until achieving desired pH. Those of you who have done this, like me, without a thorough washing, have undoubtedly experienced the same gray/black sooty shit in the bottom of their buckets, as I did.

This time I dunked this shit good n proper in pH'd water for like 45 minutes, and I can say with the utmost confidence that I have the cleanest perlite in all the land. (I love not having to conform to proper literary practices on this site). Anyways, as Jozikins suggests in the previous post, these fuckers are root bound - bad - and have needed a tranny(transplant, im bringin it back) for quite some time.




Here are some tubberware containers I bought that were clear, but the perfect size for my flood tray. I duct taped them with some dark-ass "duck" duct tape I have never seen before, but like. The idea for this is because I have so little room, that I wanted both reservoirs accessible at the end closest to me, but had to take into account the light footprint, my new scrog screen, and electrical outlet proximity.



Anyways still deciding on that but each DWC will have 1 and 1/2 air pump going to it, and they are 7.8 Liter per minute air pumps. So each res has the equivalent of 11.7 Liters of air going through it per minute, and each res is around 20 gallons. I will also have 1 200gph water pump recirculating in the bottoms of both res.

Here are the three I have put in hempy buckets so far, they look much much better now that they've got some room for development. I will transplant one more into a hempy bucket, and then six will go into the DWC I am building now - or I might just do 4 plants, 2 in each reservoir since they get so damn big. I'm not sure yet. I did order six net pots.. and no more of this 3in shit either, I got some nice 6in netpots this time. I know my clones look like shit and need to be transplanted. I mean trannied. ahem.



Little bit of algae up there too I guess, for those non-believers who said I couldnt grow algae either.

AND NOW, my much improved ladies - which are the main motivation behind my long introduction today. Not bad for my first grow, it aint over yet though I suppose. This one cola in particular just looks friggin juicy.[you know which one Im talking about]
I am guessing another 3 weeks till I want to chop. cha chop.

Keep in mind that these plants are just now coming back around - and the pictures are rather shitty, so please don't come and take a dump on my page. I will get some better pics when the lights go off. There are some colas in the back that are big and pretty but I was struggling at the time to focus properly.