Nashville Tennessee RV terrorist attack.

hanimmal

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This makes me think back to the Las Vegas shooter too. With all Trump's nazi's in office it is hard to not think that they are actively stopping the FBI from calling them acts of domestic terrorists for political reasons.
There are many more vulnerable and accessible targets than the street-facing front of an ATT building. The public display, in an area that is economically and socially important to the people of TN, to makes it an act of terrorism.

It wasn't the only place he could have set off his bomb to give ATT the difficulties that it did. It was in a public space where other buildings were damaged and people were very nearly killed or injured by the blast. My opinion on this doesn't really matter, the FBI will do what it does. But, nope, to me it was an act of terror. It would be acclaimed as such by those on the right if the perp had been Black.

I never said Kyle was a terrorist. The people who recruited, trained, drove Kyle to the scene and set him loose are terrorists. They knew what he was planning to do.
Agreed.
 

Boatguy

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Yeah, just like I saw on The Blacklist.
Maybe i am just a pessimist. Find it really hard to believe that someone would go through with the time and effort of something like that, without some other motive than shutting down 911 for a while
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Maybe i am just a pessimist. Find it really hard to believe that someone would go through with the time and effort of something like that, without some other motive than shutting down 911 for a while
Did anybody call Dylann Roof a terrorist? He mass murdered in a Black church for political/ social motives, racism.
(PDF) Why Dylann Roof is a terrorist under federal law, and why it matters (researchgate.net)

Why Dylann Roof is a terrorist under federal law, and why it matters

Abstract
After white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine African-Americans at a Charleston, South Carolina church, authorities declined to refer to the attack as terrorism. Many objected to the government’s apparent double standard in its treatment of Muslim versus non-Muslim extremists and called on the government to treat the massacre as terrorism. Yet the government has neither charged Roof with a terrorist offense nor labeled the attack as terrorism. This Article argues that although the government was unable to charge Roof with terrorist crimes because of the lack of applicable statutes, the Charleston massacre still qualifies as terrorism under federal law. Roof’s attack clearly falls under the government’s prevailing definition of domestic terrorism. It also qualifies for a terrorism sentencing enhancement, or at least an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines, as well as for the terrorism aggravating factor considered by juries in deciding whether to impose the death penalty. Labeling Roof’s attack as terrorism could have several important implications, not only in terms of sentencing, but also in terms of government accountability, the prudent allocation of counterterrorism resources, balanced media coverage, and public cooperation in preventing terrorism. For these reasons, this Article contends that the government should treat the Charleston massacre, and similar ideologically motivated killings, as terrorism.
 

Fogdog

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The captain posted the FBI definition, they seem to employ some politically motivated pretzel logic to avoid calling racist terrorist acts, antiabortion violence etc acts of terrorism, they appear to call it extremist violence. I think the document needs a rewrite and some simplification myself. This document has republican political finger prints all over it.
By the letter of the document linked in Morgan's post, this incident could be called either way. I think it was intended to cause fear in the population. There is no other reason for that kind of attack at that location.

The only way one could say he didn't intend to cause fear is to quite rationally say one can never know what he was thinking. That is true, the only thing that can never be known is what a person is thinking. Invoking this truism avoids a decision rather than makes one.

This is a subjective matter and not an objective one. We can disagree and both be right. For reasons that I give above, this was an act of terrorism unless you are saying he's mentally ill and unable to understand what he was doing. I think he was able to understand what he was doing. Now, if we want to dive into the NDA's definition of domestic terrorism and argue minutia without the larger picture, which involves this:

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If I just look at some definition instead of the visual impact caused by the bomb in the downtown area of a large city on Christmas day, then I could see how one could say it wasn't terrorism.
 

Fogdog

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Maybe i am just a pessimist. Find it really hard to believe that someone would go through with the time and effort of something like that, without some other motive than shutting down 911 for a while
Ok, I'll run with it.

So this major theft. What was stolen is top secret, right? And then it was strapped to the nose cone of a rocket and sent off to the sun to shut the sun down. This was done because the French published a cartoon depicting the prophet.

How did I do?
 

Fogdog

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Kinda reaching a bit. We will see i guess
You are right, the top secret device that was stolen (top secret because whatever was stolen has not been reported) probably wasn't sent into the sun as an act of revenge by religious zealots. I was being dramatic. I've seen similar plots in 007 movies, though. So I tossed it in there.

I'm giving you a bad time, probably unfairly. apologies.

But really, sometimes an act of terrorism is just an act of terrorism. (or whatever DIY wants to call it)
 

Unclebaldrick

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There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee:

fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
Does that mean you aren't interested in hearing Jack Webb talk along to "Try a Little Tenderness"?
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-bombings-nashville-82e0cebe4cb3f16ab95ed4c506b2f7ab
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — It seemed like a friendly chat between neighbors. Only after a bomb exploded in downtown Nashville on Christmas morning could Rick Laude grasp the sinister meaning behind his neighbor’s smiling remark that the city and the rest of the world would never forget him.

Laude told The Associated Press on Monday that he was speechless when he learned that authorities identified his 63-year-old neighbor, Anthony Quinn Warner, as the man suspected of detonating a bomb that killed himself, injured three other people and damaged dozens of buildings.

Laude said he saw Warner standing at his mailbox less than a week before Christmas and pulled over in his car to talk. After asking how Warner’s elderly mother was doing, Laude said he casually asked, “Is Santa going to bring you anything good for Christmas?”

Warner smiled and said, “Oh, yeah, Nashville and the world is never going to forget me,” Laude recalled.

Laude said he didn’t think much of the remark and thought Warner only meant that “something good” was going to happen for him financially.

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“Nothing about this guy raised any red flags,” Laude said. “He was just quiet.”

Laude said Warner sometimes did not respond when he and other neighbors waved to him, but said he did not take it personally. “I knew that he was just a recluse,” he said.

As investigators continued to search for a motive, body camera video released late Monday by Nashville police offered more insight to the moments leading up to the explosion and its aftermath.

The recording from Officer Michael Sipos’ camera captures officers walking past the RV parked across the street as the recorded warning blares and then helping people evacuate after the thunderous blast off camera. Car alarms and sirens wailed as a police dispatch voice called for all available personnel and people stumbled through downtown streets littered with glass.

Warner left behind clues that suggest he planned the bombing and intended to kill himself, but a clear motive remained elusive.

“We hope to get an answer. Sometimes, it’s just not possible,” David Rausch, the director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, said Monday in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show. “The best way to find motive is to talk to the individual. We will not be able to do that in this case.”

As investigators continued to search for a motive, body camera video released late Monday by Nashville police offered more insight to the moments leading up to the explosion and its aftermath.

The recording from Officer Michael Sipos’ camera captures officers walking past the RV parked across the street as the recorded warning blares and then helping people evacuate after the thunderous blast off camera. Car alarms and sirens wailed as a voice on the dispatcher calls for all available personnel and a roll call and people stumble through the downtown area littered with glass.

Investigators are analyzing Warner’s belongings collected during the investigation, including a computer and a portable storage drive, and continue to interview witnesses as they try to identify a motive for the explosion, a law enforcement official said. A review of his financial transactions also uncovered purchases of potential bomb-making components, the official said.

Warner had recently given away a vehicle and told the person he gave it to that he had been diagnosed with cancer, though it is unclear whether he indeed had cancer, the official said. Investigators used some items collected from the vehicle, including a hat and gloves, to match Warner’s DNA and DNA was taken from one of his family members, the official said.

The official could not discuss the matter publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

Warner also apparently gave away his home in Antioch, a Nashville suburb, to a Los Angeles woman a month before the bombing. A property record dated Nov. 25 indicates Warner transferred the home to the woman in exchange for no money after living there for decades. The woman’s signature is not on that document.

Warner had worked as a computer consultant for Nashville real estate agent Steve Fridrich, who told the AP in a text message that Warner had said he was retiring earlier this month.

Officials said Warner had not been on their radar before Christmas. A law enforcement report released Monday showed that Warner’s only arrest was for a 1978 marijuana-related charge.

“It does appear that the intent was more destruction than death, but again that’s all still speculation at this point as we continue in our investigation with all our partners,” Rausch added.

Furthermore, officials have not provided insight into why Warner selected the particular location for the bombing, which damaged an AT&T building and wreaked havoc on cellphone service and police and hospital communications in several Southern states. By Monday, the company said the majority of services had been restored for residents and businesses.

Forensic analysts were reviewing evidence from the blast site to try to identify the components of the explosives as well as information from the U.S. Bomb Data Center for intelligence and investigative leads, according to a law enforcement official who said investigators were examining Warner’s digital footprint and financial history.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity, said federal agents were examining a number of potential leads and pursuing several theories, including the possibility that the AT&T building was targeted.

Doug Korneski, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Memphis field office, said Sunday that officials were looking at any and all motives and were interviewing acquaintances of Warner’s to try to determine what may have motivated him.

The bombing took place early on a holiday morning well before downtown streets were bustling with activity. Police were responding to a report of shots fired when they encountered the RV blaring a recorded warning that a bomb would detonate in 15 minutes. Then, for reasons that may never be known, the audio switched to a recording of Petula Clark’s 1964 hit “Downtown” shortly before the blast.

In addition to the DNA found at the blast site, investigators from the Tennessee Highway Patrol were able to link the vehicle identification number recovered from the wreckage to an RV registered to Warner, officials said.

“We’re still following leads, but right now there is no indication that any other persons were involved,” Korneski said. “We’ve reviewed hours of security video surrounding the recreation vehicle. We saw no other people involved.”

President-elect Joe Biden on Monday called the bombing “a reminder of the destructive power an individual or a small group can muster and the need for continued vigilance across the board.”

President Donald Trump hasn’t publicly commented on the explosion but has spoken to Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee and offered resources and support, according to the governor’s office.
 
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