National Gun Owner's Insurance

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joe macclennan

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canndo said:
How about it? Every gun owner should have to take responsibility for the fact that his ownership of a firearm by virtue of his 2nd amendment rights makes him at least partially responsible for each and every illegal, gun related death. That gun owner participates in a system where guns can and are diverted, where an excess of firearms are created and the creators motivated to sell, regardless of the qualifications of the buyer and in some cases in spite of their qualifications or lack thereof.

I propose a national fund intended to reimburse those victims of gun violence whereby each gun owner pays a yearly premium or a lump sum if he intends to have his ownership remain anonymous. The fund should be indexed to gun violence, should that violence go down, their payments would go down, if FBI stats demonstrate that gun violence is going up, premiums would go up as well. The lump sum buyer takes his chances.

This is not a tax and there should be a private insurer who takes care of the details, making a profit as is reasonable. Of course in order to have this float, manufacturers and distributors of firearms would bear the brunt of payments and they would be made liable in civil court.


How much is your 2nd amendment right to keep and bear really worth to you?
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What an absolutely absurd idea! The vast majority of shootings are not perpetrated by legitimate gun owners. This would only penalize those who are in fact doing the right thing. Implementing mandatory insurance would only increase the sales of undocumented gun sales IMO. Now, I would be in favor of very stiff penalties for parents or anyone who let their firearms fall into the hands of a minor or someone other than the owner. Guns which were used in crimes. As long as the weapon was not reported as stolen before said crimes were committed.

Really? Another mandatory form of insurance. WTF ?
yea, that's exactly what we need.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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joe macclennan said:
What an absolutely absurd idea! The vast majority of shootings are not perpetrated by legitimate gun owners. This would only penalize those who are in fact doing the right thing. Implementing mandatory insurance would only increase the sales of undocumented gun sales IMO. Now, I would be in favor of very stiff penalties for parents or anyone who let their firearms fall into the hands of a minor or someone other than the owner. Guns which were used in crimes. As long as the weapon was not reported as stolen before said crimes were committed.

Really? Another mandatory form of insurance. WTF ?
yea, that's exactly what we need.
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This is what I would hope we get to. What I fear of instead of just penalties for irresponsible gun owners, they'll go on to tell us how to be responsible, what type of government approved safe with what type of government approved lock, how many rounds we are allowed to store and other useless shit that just creates more criminals.

Something symbolic will be done that does almost nothing to curtail illegal gun use, which will in fact increase illegal gun use simply by making more guns illegal. Politics suck.
 
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NoDrama

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ginwilly said:
This is what I would hope we get to. What I fear of instead of just penalties for irresponsible gun owners, they'll go on to tell us how to be responsible, what type of government approved safe with what type of government approved lock, how many rounds we are allowed to store and other useless shit that just creates more criminals.

Something symbolic will be done that does almost nothing to curtail illegal gun use, which will in fact increase illegal gun use simply by making more guns illegal. Politics suck.
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Would you be for really stiff penalties to the owners if said minor had to commit felonius crimes in order to attain those weapons, or are you just for punishing them no matter what?
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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NoDrama said:
Would you be for really stiff penalties to the owners if said minor had to commit felonius crimes in order to attain those weapons, or are you just for punishing them no matter what?
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No, there would have to be negligence involved. I don't think being shot and having your guns stolen as negligence. My Dad kept a loaded 12 gauge leaned up against the wall by the back door for snakes. He taught us how to respect and shoot it and none of us kids shot each other.

That's why I shudder to think what type of laws they would come up. I wouldn't want my Dad to be deemed negligent based on potential. These guys are welcome to try to prevent future crimes, but don't make potential a crime.
 
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NoDrama

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ginwilly said:
No, there would have to be negligence involved. I don't think being shot and having your guns stolen as negligence. My Dad kept a loaded 12 gauge leaned up against the wall by the back door for snakes. He taught us how to respect and shoot it and none of us kids shot each other.

That's why I shudder to think what type of laws they would come up. I wouldn't want my Dad to be deemed negligent based on potential. These guys are welcome to try to prevent future crimes, but don't make potential a crime.
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Most likely negligence accounts for less than 1% of all guns stolen and then used in a crime.
 
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SSHZ

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Dr Kynes said:
i never said that many people arent idiots, most of the people in the world are idiots. if you tell them they can have shit for free if they vote the marxists the power to pick the rich man's pocket the idiots will line up to join your crusade, but once the rich man's pockets are flat, or the rich move beyond the marxist's reach they slip down to the next richest tier of targets and dip into their shit, untiol everybody is broke (except the apparatchiks of course...)

thats why populism and democratic socialism works. it appeals to the great masses of morons. as long as the press keeps telling the dolts what to believe, and there's somebody else to take the cost the marxist populists are the heroes of the foolish proletarians.
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WOW....well said.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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NoDrama said:
Most likely negligence accounts for less than 1% of all guns stolen and then used in a crime.
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yep, and most likely there are many repetitive laws on the book for negligence already. Like I said earlier, anything they pass will be mostly symbolic in the "well, we had to do something for Sandy Hook" mode.
 
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