Need outdoor soil recipe that does NOT need to "cook, anyone???

Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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You're going to have to replace the soil, even though roots will eventually outgrow your holes...which won't matter in the long run.

Avoid MG bagged products, for one it will cost a fortune for the amount you need but importantly will not feed properly over the long haul.

3 parts peat
1 part castings
1 part perlite
1/3 cup dolomite lime/gallon of the above blend.

Peat has an average ph of 3.5, great for blueberries but not cannabis. And pine needles do not cause acidic soil, did some research on that:
http://wood.uwex.edu/2010/11/18/pine-needles-cause/

So you still need the lime, plus dolomite lime contains calcium and magnesium. You will also need a bit of additional nutes, almost any non-chemical granule will suffice commonly sold in nurseries.

Unless that is you have a home depot up there, then grab some Epsoma...1 $20 bag should do the entire project.
 
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TWS

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Sunbiz1 said:
You're going to have to replace the soil, even though roots will eventually outgrow your holes...which won't matter in the long run.

Avoid MG bagged products, for one it will cost a fortune for the amount you need but importantly will not feed properly over the long haul.

3 parts peat
1 part castings
1 part perlite
1/3 cup dolomite lime/gallon of the above blend.

Peat has an average ph of 3.5, great for blueberries but not cannabis. And pine needles do not cause acidic soil, did some research on that:
http://wood.uwex.edu/2010/11/18/pine-needles-cause/

So you still need the lime, plus dolomite lime contains calcium and magnesium. You will also need a bit of additional nutes, almost any non-chemical granule will suffice commonly sold in nurseries.

Unless that is you have a home depot up there, then grab some Epsoma...1 $20 bag should do the entire project.
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Perfect post. Question. Why not just scratch or dig in Epsoma "plant tone" and nothing else ? And use Epsoma "flower" when time ? Of course lime and a freash dug aerated hole helps. You can revive and compost used soil with plant tone. Im going to try this stuff alone with used soil and composted root balls from indoor soil, outdoors. I have all so just started testing out bubbling Eposma with molasses and kelp for tea on this round of indoor. I might add quanos as called for if needed but hoping this cuts down on buying all the different ingredients for a proper tea and it all ready has microbes so that will cut out making ACT teas ? The cost of Epsoma and possibly everything in one bag would be a huge benefit . So far indoors the plants are lush and perfectly green with nice white roots on the transplants. Epsoma does have a bit of a strong smell indoors.
 
Sunbiz1

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TWS said:
Perfect post. Question. Why not just scratch or dig in Epsoma "plant tone" and nothing else ? And use Epsoma "flower" when time ? Of course lime and a freash dug aerated hole helps. You can revive and compost used soil with plant tone. Im going to try this stuff alone with used soil and composted root balls from indoor soil, outdoors. I have all so just started testing out bubbling Eposma with molasses and kelp for tea on this round of indoor. I might add quanos as called for if needed but hoping this cuts down on buying all the different ingredients for a proper tea and it all ready has microbes so that will cut out making ACT teas ? The cost of Epsoma and possibly everything in one bag would be a huge benefit . So far indoors the plants are lush and perfectly green with nice white roots on the transplants. Epsoma does have a bit of a strong smell indoors.
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To all: I initially assumed OP was speaking of sterilizing soil in an oven as opposed to activating a soil recipe.

The reason I recommended that blend is b/c I know it works under all circumstances, indoors, outdoors, in containers, in-ground, in Midwest US, and definitely in Florida. Plus, I have no idea where you are. So I'm relating it all to my own experiences about 100 or so miles north of Lake Superior in the midst of fishing country. That area was difficult to find spots to even drive tent stakes into. You may not need a full replacement, particularly if you are near a peat(in which case you'll need lime regardless)bog. Are there worms in the soil?.

Epsoma should be worked into the soil initially, then re-applied(once in early July and again during early flowering)by sprinkling as per label.

Molasses teas applied to in-grounds have to monitored, too much will lockout N...like this one I almost killed a few years back:98 008.jpg
 
shawn705

shawn705

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Sunbiz1 said:
To all: I initially assumed OP was speaking of sterilizing soil in an oven as opposed to activating a soil recipe.

The reason I recommended that blend is b/c I know it works under all circumstances, indoors, outdoors, in containers, in-ground, in Midwest US, and definitely in Florida. Plus, I have no idea where you are. So I'm relating it all to my own experiences about 100 or so miles north of Lake Superior in the midst of fishing country. That area was difficult to find spots to even drive tent stakes into. You may not need a full replacement, particularly if you are near a peat(in which case you'll need lime regardless)bog. Are there worms in the soil?.

Epsoma should be worked into the soil initially, then re-applied(once in early July and again during early flowering)by sprinkling as per label.

Molasses teas applied to in-grounds have to monitored, too much will lockout N...like this one I almost killed a few years back:View attachment 2588927
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i live in northern ontario and the area im doing my outdoor grow has ALOT of pine trees and cedar trees, VERY rocky and full of clay, roots from the trees are everywhere 1/2 a foot beneeth the soil and i will probly need a pik axe to dig out my holes,.. not much native soil to work with... so im deffinitly gunna need to add that lime stuff? ive never used it and and have had a bad habit of over doing it with ferts/nutes... just dont wanna fuck up my shit before i start.. its prewtty much going to be a guerilla grow i only go to once every 2 weeks to take care of things and check up, i also plan to put out human hair(my friend works as a hair stylist) and human piss all around the perimeter is that enough to keep deer and animals like rabbits and what not away from my plants or should i invest in sum chiken wire
 
doowmd

doowmd

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you guys over complicate shit too fuckin much! @ Sunbiz and tws for agreeing.



The op wants an easy to do soil recipe that doesnt cook his fuckin plants. I gave him one that has worked VERY well for me. The mg is only too expensive if your trying to plant more plants than the average person trying to keep a low profile should grow anyway. All that bone meal, epsom salt bullshit yall are spewin is just overcomplication of a simple thing: Buy some bags of what I described, throw it in a 3x3 hole, mix, plant, enjoy the harvest, and do it again next year!


@ sunbiz directly: Do you not have to dig a hole and basically add stuff every year wether your using mg or whatever? So why say "you'd have to replace the soil every year?" Fuckin DUH! you basically have to that anyway, and yes you have to feed more nutes after a little while, I use mg tomato food for veg and bloom boost for flower GASP!,

So to the op, if you wanna grow some trees, I can tell you that all you have to do is folloe those directions ^^^ and make sure your spots in plenty of sun and the girls get plenty of water and you'll grow buds like this: 09 079.jpg09 024.jpg09 031.jpg


cant stand fuckin knowitalls that make shit complicated that don't have to be. Epsom salt can cause nute burn and lock-out btw....jus sayin.
 
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TWS

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doowmd said:
you guys over complicate shit too fuckin much! @ Sunbiz and tws for agreeing.



The op wants an easy to do soil recipe that doesnt cook his fuckin plants. I gave him one that has worked VERY well for me. The mg is only too expensive if your trying to plant more plants than the average person trying to keep a low profile should grow anyway. All that bone meal, epsom salt bullshit yall are spewin is just overcomplication of a simple thing: Buy some bags of what I described, throw it in a 3x3 hole, mix, plant, enjoy the harvest, and do it again next year!


@ sunbiz directly: Do you not have to dig a hole and basically add stuff every year wether your using mg or whatever? So why say "you'd have to replace the soil every year?" Fuckin DUH! you basically have to that anyway, and yes you have to feed more nutes after a little while, I use mg tomato food for veg and bloom boost for flower GASP!,

So to the op, if you wanna grow some trees, I can tell you that all you have to do is folloe those directions ^^^ and make sure your spots in plenty of sun and the girls get plenty of water and you'll grow buds like this: View attachment 2589346View attachment 2589347View attachment 2589349


cant stand fuckin knowitalls that make shit complicated that don't have to be. Epsom salt can cause nute burn and lock-out btw....jus sayin.
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Where the fuck do you come off spouting this shit ? It don't get any easier then just adding plain Epsoma ! Know one said shit about Epsom salt ! Which eposma has calcium and magnesium in it and PH buffers ! Miracle grow moisture control is the worst crap in the world BTW. The Tea method Im trying out is for home so not needed for gurilla grows. Brewing it helps boost or wake up the microbe count which the molasses is for, and makes for easier nutrient uptake. So before you get on your high horse do some homework. Your recipe stinks by the way Mr know it all. And there is so little molasses in the brew and dissolved that I've never had and ant problem inside or out and summer time is bad here for ants. So go piss in the wind dick head ! BTW ! Your Fuckin bud pics are weak ! And No ! you don't have to replace the soil every year ! You compost or amend the hole and add microbes and let nature do it's trick ! or you can Just add epsoma !. The dead left over roots will be broken down and turned into food. TLO if ya know what that is. There are many ways to skin a cat, not just yours, but you come on posting your way is the only way and preach about know it alls. You should look in the mirror ! :finger:
 
vilify

vilify

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TWS said:
Where the fuck do you come off spouting this shit ? It don't get any easier then just adding plain Epsoma ! Know one said shit about Epsom salt ! Which eposma has calcium and magnesium in it and PH buffers ! Miracle grow moisture control is the worst crap in the world BTW. The Tea method Im trying out is for home so not needed for gurilla grows. Brewing it helps boost or wake up the microbe count and makes for easier nutrient uptake. So before you get on your high horse do some homework. Your recipe stinks by the way Mr know it all. And there is so little molasses in the brew and dissolved that I've never had and ant problem inside or out and summer time is bad here for ants. So go piss in the wind dick head ! BTW ! Your Fuckin bud pics are weak !
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whats funny is he is talking about growing trees, and his outdoor buds are smaller than most indoor.
edit: suppose you mentioned that. i zoned out :-P

and to the previous post that said pro-mix doesnt have mycorrhizae.. not all of the mixes do, but you can purchase a bale that does.
 
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TWS

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All so doowmd your popping off about MG mouisture control like you have used it, yet in your own words you say " I have read other guys using it and have heard great things." You haven't even used the stuff yet you are recommending it ? Please enlighten us ole greatfull one! lol
 
shawn705

shawn705

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doowmd said:
you guys over complicate shit too fuckin much! @ Sunbiz and tws for agreeing.



The op wants an easy to do soil recipe that doesnt cook his fuckin plants. I gave him one that has worked VERY well for me. The mg is only too expensive if your trying to plant more plants than the average person trying to keep a low profile should grow anyway. All that bone meal, epsom salt bullshit yall are spewin is just overcomplication of a simple thing: Buy some bags of what I described, throw it in a 3x3 hole, mix, plant, enjoy the harvest, and do it again next year!


@ sunbiz directly: Do you not have to dig a hole and basically add stuff every year wether your using mg or whatever? So why say "you'd have to replace the soil every year?" Fuckin DUH! you basically have to that anyway, and yes you have to feed more nutes after a little while, I use mg tomato food for veg and bloom boost for flower GASP!,

So to the op, if you wanna grow some trees, I can tell you that all you have to do is folloe those directions ^^^ and make sure your spots in plenty of sun and the girls get plenty of water and you'll grow buds like this: View attachment 2589346View attachment 2589347View attachment 2589349


cant stand fuckin knowitalls that make shit complicated that don't have to be. Epsom salt can cause nute burn and lock-out btw....jus sayin.
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lol thx bro much appriciated
 
shawn705

shawn705

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vilify said:
whats funny is he is talking about growing trees, and his outdoor buds are smaller than most indoor.
edit: suppose you mentioned that. i zoned out :-P

and to the previous post that said pro-mix doesnt have mycorrhizae.. not all of the mixes do, but you can purchase a bale that does.
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yes cuz i thought i seen mycorrhizae or w/e on my last bail of promix.. almost 100% sure now lol
 
shawn705

shawn705

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vilify said:
whats funny is he is talking about growing trees, and his outdoor buds are smaller than most indoor.
edit: suppose you mentioned that. i zoned out :-P

and to the previous post that said pro-mix doesnt have mycorrhizae.. not all of the mixes do, but you can purchase a bale that does.
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im going to try his method and the other method described and I WILL do a follow up thread to clarify all this "additive" stuff, im even gunna put one straight into native soil with no added promix/castings/lime nothing just mother nature "for 1 girl" lol and il be doing roughly 30 plants this year
 
shawn705

shawn705

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TWS said:
For that garbage post ? Ok ?
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well it seems like everyone has there own recipe so if i had the time ide give u all rep points for helping me out and trying to give me the best recipe, all i asked for was sum help i ddnt want to start arguments over whos got the better soil know what i meen lol thats why im gunna try a few and follow up, were all here to help each other not bash each others ideas, but is the EPSOMA really needed... cuz im already sketchy about the lime im gunna add, it says half cup per gallon of dirt or w/e but im digging 3x3 holes would 1 1/2 cups be good per hole u think???
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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equal parts perlite coco worm castings and ffof, mix in some dolomite lime. i get great results. i do cook for few days in case of the lime. great results everytime. i have moved on to supersoil and love the water only method. i could use this mix and just top dress when needed and use just water also...top dress with compost and castings only tho.
 
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TWS

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Doowmd came in here starting that shit ? I agree with you about the arguing, but don't come on here and quote me and call me a Fucking Know it all and then say it's my way or the highway.. Epsoma has nothing to do with Epsom salt or lime. It is everything you need in one bag. Mg moisture control is junk. Put some in a pot at home and make your own decesions. Epsoma product line : http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/tones_overview.html these two are all you need. http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/tones_plant.html : http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/tones_flower.html If your doing 30 holes you will save yourself time and money. And your right. There are a lot of good recepies here but most of them need cooking time. And yes ! Go ahead and throw a bag of composted cow manure and a cup of lime in a 3x3 hole and a bag of MG moisture control with slow realeasing synthetic nutrients without cooking and let me know how your plant does. PS ..... synthetic nutes not good for micro heard .
 
doowmd

doowmd

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nobody said it was my way or the hiway tws

And FUCK YOU btw

Eat a sack of dicks motherfucker!

Those pics were form my first grow in 09',
I said I knew someone who'd used mg moisture control cause I dont like incriminating myself if I can help it so I try not to say "I use this" or wat evr.


but yea fuck off w/ that shit about my buds being small, u motherfuckers don't know anymore than anybody else so quit acting like ur in on some kinda "insider" shit w/ that epsoma and molasses tea bullshit, this op plainly said he soesnt want to fuck his plants up by mixing shit he's not familiar w/ so why u hatin on my recipe? MG moisture control has the cococoir and peat in it that yall keep harping on, plus ferts. Anyway like I said:
TWS can Eat a bag of dicks and I hope he chokes on one as he's enjoying 'em!


Sorry for the arguing op, I'm out. If you start a grow thread pm me a link.
 
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