New Migro Lights?

Delps8 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, you've also mentioned at there's synergy when 640 is used with 660, haven't you?

If that's the case and if there's a demonstrable cost/benefit ratio, we should start seeing those improvements in the next few years. OTOH, if it's subjective, that could be a tough sell for an engineering-focused company.

As we see in the PC market, innovation is expensive and these are commodity devices.
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There seems to be a benefit to it, not sure if its chlorophyll based or its based around not exciting the phytochrome to hard. From what i gather 680 is very likely> than 660 for the plant; and if there is consistent high efficiency bins it would also have a photon efficiency benefit as longer wavelength, less energy per photon, more photons per mW of output. But again lets not open this up here in this thread.

And oh theres a third GML video, lol.
 
Rocket Soul said:
There seems to be a benefit to it, not sure if its chlorophyll based or its based around not exciting the phytochrome to hard. From what i gather 680 is very likely> than 660 for the plant; and if there is consistent high efficiency bins it would also have a photon efficiency benefit as longer wavelength, less energy per photon, more photons per mW of output. But again lets not open this up here in this thread.
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Thanks for the info and, yes, agree. Always appreciate your input.

Rocket Soul said:
And oh theres a third GML video, lol.
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After reading about the other GML video, I was wondering if this was much ado about nothing.

[time passes]
Shane has released a video
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GPT summary here.

Sounds like he fell on his sword. This would have been avoided had he published the light test results from the start. Personally, I'd like to see that from all vendors.
 
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Rocket Soul said:
Yeah that type of shit can be a bit triggering to me aswell but so can those gotcha moments, lol.
My far red experience is at best lackluster but i think that theres likely better solutions nowadays: osram osconiq 3737 comes in 680nm at extremely high efficiency and 680 is able to excite both photosystem 1 and 2 so should be able to do away with both 660 and 730. Unless theres another thing to 730nm.
680 also seemed to bring some bud quality improvement for me but granted its very limited and subjective.
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680nm led, most underated led on the planet.
Migro charges $2k for review holy snikeys
 
Delps8 said:
Sounds like he fell on his sword.
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I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?

This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.
 
cdgmoney250 said:
I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?
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Yes, I watched the video, and I wrote "Sounds like he fell on his sword." He has taken personal responsibility for what happened and, apparently, he's corrected the information on the website.

cdgmoney250 said:
This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.
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Based on what you've written here, I can understand why you've made that decision.
 
cdgmoney250 said:
I don’t know if you watched the vid or not, but Shane danced around being called out for intentionally misleading people, only addresses the component mixup as an “oops my bad”, and then completely ignores the subject of the guy he ghosted and blocked who was asking about which components came on the new fixture. Which was over a month ago now. And he just now happens to make this “apology?” video after a competitor releases a smear video about his new fixture?

This is called damage control after being caught doing the old bait & switch routine. Dude sounds hella shady and nobody I’d want to do business with.
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I dont think i ever seem someone look so uncomfortable on camera. Weak tea is what comes to mind though somehow i still feel that that theres a lack of proportionality: Mars was tested here on the forum and scored 10% under spec. And caught with their wifi devices harvesting data or similar. Yet most people shrugged. Are we raging a bit extra cause we was supposed to be one of "our own"?

Iirc correct GML test scored around 3.2 cold, but 2.9 warm - most sphere tests are like this, pulsed light measurement at ambient rather than normal operating temps, so while maybe a bit misleading theres an element of apples to apples; infact almost no light maker goes into details on how the test was done exactly and i dont remember seeing these details on GMLs web neither. But still a very shady look.
Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.
Last i checked spectrum of these new light hasnt been corrected on his site.

Lets see where the drama leads, popcorn please.
 
420AD said:
migrolight.com

MIGRO ARAY 750

The MIGRO ARAY 750 is the most efficient LED grow light for 5ft x 5ft or 1.5m x 1.5m grow spaces. Delivers high PAR intensity uniformly & controller compatible
migrolight.com migrolight.com
Saw they have a new series of lights.

I'm pretty shocked how good these look on paper.
Way to go Shane! :clap:
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:cuss:Bastardo! And I got hyped about these lights, sigh.
 
420AD said:
any thoughts so far, btw?
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Well, I do like the light. The plants underneath look much more healthy/happy than the lights under an older mammoth 10 bar 800 from 2021 which gives no fair comparison.


Ive been watching the fiasco unfold with GML and The lot. Im glad I was only able to get the one Aray 750. I did order two, but they only had 1 left to sell... so got the very lightly used Mammoth from a friend that used it short term every spring spring to stary his veg plants.

We've just flipped to 12's. So we shall see.

I do need to buy 3 more lights to cover 5x15. What're we suggesting now?
 
Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy
 
BullPower said:
Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy
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If I was rich, I would buy Sanlight or Lumatek or mbe those Growcrafts from ChilLed, I also heard alot of good things about them.
 
Rocket Soul said:
I dont think i ever seem someone look so uncomfortable on camera. Weak tea is what comes to mind though somehow i still feel that that theres a lack of proportionality: Mars was tested here on the forum and scored 10% under spec. And caught with their wifi devices harvesting data or similar. Yet most people shrugged. Are we raging a bit extra cause we was supposed to be one of "our own"?

Iirc correct GML test scored around 3.2 cold, but 2.9 warm - most sphere tests are like this, pulsed light measurement at ambient rather than normal operating temps, so while maybe a bit misleading theres an element of apples to apples; infact almost no light maker goes into details on how the test was done exactly and i dont remember seeing these details on GMLs web neither. But still a very shady look.
Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.
Last i checked spectrum of these new light hasnt been corrected on his site.

Lets see where the drama leads, popcorn please.
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i mean for me personally if i see people do shady stuff like this i won't send them any more money, especially when you dance around the problem. to me there is no reason to lie on spec sheets, your company either uses them or they don't and if you don't know about it that speaks a lot about a person imo.
 
BullPower said:
Where's the best money spent now for lighting a 5x5 or 6x6 footprint? I need to cover 3 of them. Was about to order some more aray 750's but now I dont think I will. If similar tech is available for less cost, someone point me in that direction please. I have been happy with the performance thus far, but haven't gotten thru a runso cant really speak for end results. This my first LED grow. Im an HID guy
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If you're getting good results from the Migro light, there's a strong argument to buy more of that product.

The decision, for me, is to buy the products that fulfill certain price and performance criteria. What the company might or might not have done is not something that I am able to judge and, unless it impacts the product or the support of that product, is not part of the buying decision. If we start opening that kimono, my over 50 years of work experience (multiple careers in multiple countries and multiple states here in the US) would indicate that my choices of many types products would be drastically reduced.

The spectrum for the Migro has a high percentage of red which impacts how cannabis grows and it has an excellent PPFD map but the 16" PPFD map shows only 4' of coverage rather than the full 5' x 5'. That larger area is a lot of space to cover.

Given the funds, it's hard to beat the Grand Master Tarantula Tent Ultimate 5' x 5'. The PPFD map is extraordinary but, unless you're going to add CO2 to your grow space, you won't be taking advantage of the full capabilities of the GML or of the Migro, for that matter.

In terms of the switch over from HID to LED, there are a few significant differences. One is the change in leaf temperatures, another is the spectrum and, finally, the light cast ("PPFD map") in LED's is far more even. Have you looked into those topics?
 
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420AD said:
Yeah what I actually meant was the big fixtures, I completely disregarded the fact that there's smaller fixtures with the bar style out there too now, my bad.

So basically I don't wanna have to take out all the plants to be able to raise or lower my lights, so I have 2 smaller lights rather one big light.
Not sure if heatwise it wouldn't be better to switch, and also the efficiency is so good now that I would actually also make sense.

Still gonna wait
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if you took the two lights out, say there 100watts each, you replace with a 200watt light your lumins will be more then with two ;ights. you will also get your extra jeat too. so id say yes to replaceing them if you can
 
Rocket Soul said:
Welights claim of fees for featuring your light on his youtube is another issue; hell id love to take a free light and 2 grand for making a parmap and cultivating a following.
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I only saw it on one of the comments by GML on his vid, I cant see a problem, reviewing a light take time and cost, but money = bias, sure Kim K dont push new lolly water for no money. Its just that people should be up front about fees for reviews so the bias is tempered or considered by the viewer
 
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go go kid said:
if you took the two lights out, say there 100watts each, you replace with a 200watt light your lumins will be more then with two ;ights. you will also get your extra jeat too. so id say yes to replaceing them if you can
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My lights are 220w each, but for the sake of the argument: let's say I'd replace two 100w fixtures with one 200w fixture.
All this would do is spread the light differently given they have the same LED chips. Maybe with better heat dissipation you would get a lil higher output, but I don't think there would be much of a difference.
I know this because I went the exact opposite way. I used to have a big 440w fixture and the 220w ones are the same just split into two units.
 
hostagecs said:
i mean for me personally if i see people do shady stuff like this i won't send them any more money, especially when you dance around the problem. to me there is no reason to lie on spec sheets, your company either uses them or they don't and if you don't know about it that speaks a lot about a person imo.
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Yeah same here.

This kind of thing comes about because of the way grow lights are marketed. At this point in time, the umole war is basically irrelevant, anyway, but it's still the only way to market a new light -show the efficiency rating and, of course, the spectrum charts, too. Plants don't care about whether or not a light produces 2.5 umoles per joule or 2.8 umoles per joule. The efficiency RANGE of new lights is already waaaay beyond what it was compared to back in the day when growers used bulbs....and people were growing monster plants under those bulbs. The way that lights are discussed, now, you'd be led to believe that it would be next to impossible to even get a plant to grow at all under those old bulbs.....-spectrum is all wrong....too much heat, etc....but we know that's not the case, based on real-world experience.

Not that it makes any difference to the plants, anyway, Shane still should have just kept it real from the jump. He had been one of the believable voices out there...but he might have cut his own throat on this one. Giving an apology AFTER getting caught out by someone is always a weaker stance. And it's kinda too bad, because the lights are nice.
 
Delps8 said:
If you're getting good results from the Migro light, there's a strong argument to buy more of that product.

The decision, for me, is to buy the products that fulfill certain price and performance criteria. What the company might or might not have done is not something that I am able to judge and, unless it impacts the product or the support of that product, is not part of the buying decision. If we start opening that kimono, my over 50 years of work experience (multiple careers in multiple countries and multiple states here in the US) would indicate that my choices of many types products would be drastically reduced.

The spectrum for the Migro has a high percentage of red which impacts how cannabis grows and it has an excellent PPFD map but the 16" PPFD map shows only 4' of coverage rather than the full 5' x 5'. That larger area is a lot of space to cover.

Given the funds, it's hard to beat the Grand Master Tarantula Tent Ultimate 5' x 5'. The PPFD map is extraordinary but, unless you're going to add CO2 to your grow space, you won't be taking advantage of the full capabilities of the GML or of the Migro, for that matter.

In terms of the switch over from HID to LED, there are a few significant differences. One is the change in leaf temperatures, another is the spectrum and, finally, the light cast ("PPFD map") in LED's is far more even. Have you looked into those topics?
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Plants underneath thr migro look much happier than the plants underneath the 2021 model Mammoth 800w. I will say that. We've got the light cranked to 100 and lifted higher than 16".

I need to read into some more when I have time. Need to order 2 more lights this week. Will check out what you recommended there. Thanks.

Might be interesting to run two Array 750's and 2 of something similar and compare. That'll tell a story.
 
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