nitrogen def?
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babygro
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I think this is pretty rude Hempie to be honest. You've had some of the best advice from at least three of the most experienced and knowledgeable growers on this site - and you've ignored their advice, and gone with what 'you' think is the right answer.
Your plant is not root bound, and repotting it isn't going to suddenly green up all those leaves that have turned yellow - they'll die and fall off. The best you can do is stop the problem from worsening - repotting will do that - but you'll now run the risk of retarding flowering and stressing the plant by repotting it mid flowering.
Your problem (in my opinion) is one of not spotting the problem early enough and taking the right course of action. You panicked when you saw the leaves yellowing and starting feeding furiously - I wouldn't be too surprised if you now burn the plant. Any feed you give a plant can take up to 7 days to show any signs of improvement and if your leaves continue to yellow and fall off in that time - you didn't start feeding early enough.
I'll repeat again - you will not stop the yellowing of leaves that have started to yellow - regardless of how much feed you give it - you need to catch it earlier, what you can do is stop the problem spreading, worsening and affecting other healthy green leaves.
Canna, like any other plant likes small but regular feeds of nutrients, that give it time to process and assimilate those nutrients, not nothing, nothing, nothing BIG FEED BIG FEED BIG FEED, that's a surefire way of burning the plant with excessive salt buildup, which will just add to your problems.
You need to plan ahead with your feeds as well as allowing the plant to tell you what it needs and when it needs it. If you're flowering for say 8 weeks, and you repot the plant 1 week before flowering, then you won't need to start feeding until about week 2 or 3 of flowering. That leaves you 6 weeks of feeds and if you're going to be feeding small amounts every other watering and assuming the plant needs watering about twice a week on average then that gives you 12 feeds, 8 plain waterings and 4 nutrient feeds or 6 plain waterings and 6 lower nutrient feeds.
It's no good doing nothing for x weeks and then seeing yellow leaves appear and shoving full dosages of nutrient at the plant in a hope it'll fix your problem - it won't.
Babygro - this is usually the part where i flame you. im rude because you and others refused to listen to wtf i was saying? that seems a bit twisted to me. you and a few others were wrong you refused to listen to wtf i had to say. the roots had overgrown their space. even after removing it from the pot the soil kept its shape because of how dense the roots were. it took me awhile to knock it loose. and your right its not root bound. because i fixed the shit. how old is this thread? 2 wks? and you say i paniced? do you even think about what you say before you speak and if you do does it ever make sense? me feeding my plant once a wk is regular feeding. all the ferts i gave never burned the tips. why? it couldn't take them in. why? because the roots were bound. who said i was trying to fix the damaged leafs? you dont fucking listen and then find fault when you are proven wrong . this is why people dont like you. and is why i now dont like you.. good luck
babygro
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We've listened to what you've said and disagreed with you. All three of us - Fdd, Kp and myself, a combined growing knowledge that you'll never even hope to match.
And we're all wrong and you're right, right?
No they hadn't - that was just a normal root ball. Hempie, do you know what a normal root ball and an root bound rootball actually looks like?
That's just a normal root ball, every single one of my repotted plants have rootballs that look like that, it's NOT an indication that the plant is root bound.
Which isn't what you should have done.
It wasn't root bound when you supposedly 'fixed it'.
You posted this yesterday, and it's clear you had no idea what the problem was, let alone being Nitrogen deficient -
Why? Because you haven't been feeding it regularly that's why!
It couldn't take them in because you dumped a load of nutrients on it in a very short space of time - I told you before, it can take up to 7 days for any nutrient feeding to show in the plant, you're the one that's not listening.
Well, what were you trying to fix then?
My reading and comprehension skills are just fine thanks, you're the one who seems to have this idea that you know more than some extremely experienced and knowledgeable growers.
Myself, kp and fdd know more about growing in soil in our little fingernails than you do in your whole body, yet we're the ones who are wrong here?
You can't even diagnose a simple Nitrogen deficiency on your own and we're all wrong?
Laughable.
skunkushybrid
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A plant can quite happily veg for a month per gallon of container without getting rootbound. A 4 gallon container would equal 4 months of veg'. It seems obvious to me that you haven't vegged long enough to fill your container.
Therefore your roots could not have been rootbound.
Good rule of thumb, that. 1 month growth per gallon of container.
Therefore your roots could not have been rootbound.
Good rule of thumb, that. 1 month growth per gallon of container.
you will see.
Babygro - you over stepped when you tried to call yourself a well exp grower. your ability to cut and paste doesn't make you a wiz at growing. KP. i value her advice as she is the one who helped me this whole grow. i have grown many things and have just began fooling with cannabis. this thread began 9 days ago and problem a wk or so before that. i also said when i reopened this thread that i wanted peoples opinions and everyone who has tossed their idea into the hat has received rep. the soil was so dense with roots that all i had to do is turn the pot over. there were tiny roots through the top of the soil. it was bound and had out grown its container. the plant is at 4 wks. have any of you looked at the size of the cola? it still has another 5-7 wks. so what ive done until now has worked and so will this. you people have told me what i knew from the start. but no one could tell me the reason behind it.
kindprincess
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babe, i've been trying to tell you...hempie, i've told you and told you.... patience is the key to a good grow
your plants need food, much more than you've been giving them. don't be afraid to feed your plants! a good way to look at it is most growers schedules are something like, "feed, feed, water, feed, feed, water"... this is an example only, i don't mean that this is EXACTLY what you should do...
but, by not feeding until you see probs, you're causing yourself more headaches than needed. your leaves will not improve, you need to watch the growth of new leaves (that come out of the buds themselves). this will give you a good idea whether or not your nutes are treating the problems.
don't repot, please, listen to me; you don't need to, your plant should not bound (in a 4g?). just keep feeding, and don't stop when you think it's better. you can't live without food, and neither can she.
love, kp
kindprincess
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now, let's please drop the hard feelings, if nothing else... i see this going downhill, and no one needs that.
kp
kp
you also tried to tell me that i dont feed. when she got it once a wk and was good enough. there was a reason behind the deficiency and it wasnt lack of ferts. they just weren't being absorbed
kindprincess
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babe, i have the same nutes that you are using now. when i was using them, i fed four times a week.... you must understand that if you water a plant, you are essentially flushing out the nutes. maybe not all of them, and not all at once, but the water will def flush out alot of the good stuff in the soil. this is why people have such aggressive feeding schedules.
what i meant about the pot is that the very center of the mass will not have the roots that the outside of the pot has. people will usually work up in container size so they get a small root ball, then the roots spread, and become a bigger ball, then again, and again, until they are in their final home...
hempie, your roots are doing what they are supposed to do, you just need to feed more often. try two times a week, maybe three... see how she does then. i bet she takes off like a weed
check your pm. you will understandbabe, i have the same nutes that you are using now. when i was using them, i fed four times a week.... you must understand that if you water a plant, you are essentially flushing out the nutes. maybe not all of them, and not all at once, but the water will def flush out alot of the good stuff in the soil. this is why people have such aggressive feeding schedules.
what i meant about the pot is that the very center of the mass will not have the roots that the outside of the pot has. people will usually work up in container size so they get a small root ball, then the roots spread, and become a bigger ball, then again, and again, until they are in their final home...
hempie, your roots are doing what they are supposed to do, you just need to feed more often. try two times a week, maybe three... see how she does then. i bet she takes off like a weed
babygro
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Like Fdd, I shall watch your plants progress with great interest.
As for any more help from me in the future - you can spin.
babygro
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It's no wonder it's going downhill, he's been unbeleivably rude to me and disrespected the advice I've given him.
He knows best it would appear - he knows more than I do, you do and Fdd as he's not listening to any advice he's being given.
I honestly don't know why you're wasting your time with him, there are people on here far more deserving of help than he is.
kindprincess
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i know bg, i know... i was directing that comment to him...
i try to help anyone who asks for it, if i can. hempie is hard headed, but has a true concern and passion for his plant. i note that, and i don't want to see him fail...
but, i can only give advice; you know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...
love, kp
babygro
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I wish I could share your passion for his plant, because right now, I really couldn't care less what happens to it and knowing his overall lack of knowledge and refusal to accept good advice it's highly likely he'll end up with nothing.
What amuses me most about all this is, is the irony of it.
That his current problems are directly related to his inability to follow a correct potting up procedure in vegetative growth, resulting in an under-developed root ball for the size of plant. No doubt he ignored peoples advice then as well or thought he knew better and simply plonked the little seedling into a huge container where it simply didn't develop a decent sized root mass.
Does Hempie actually understand that yield is directly related to root size and mass?
His plant wasn't taking in enough Nitrogen because the root mass wasn't big enough to take in and supply enough Nitrogen for the plants needs - all because he didn't follow the correct potting up procedure.
So the plants root bound and needs repotting? Um, no, the opposite - its root mass wasn't big enough. So expect the same problems when he repots it, although initially itll look better then get worse again.
Anyway, don't listen to anything I say - I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.
kindprincess
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lol, sadly, i think his only option at this point is to feed more aggressively, and watch and wait; you are absolutely right about uptake and roots, and the fact that he's underfeeding is def not helping. with great soil, a once a week feeding program is great, but with mg time release (which DOES loose it's power after four weeks or so) i'm pretty sure his dirt is leeched. the roots that are there will draw nutes if nutes are available, even if they are underdeveloped, so, one would think that more food would help the situation, at least a little bit...
i personally would have chosen to keep the plant in the 4g container, and dealt with it as is; at this point there aren't too many options.
kp
i personally would have chosen to keep the plant in the 4g container, and dealt with it as is; at this point there aren't too many options.
kp