NooB Advice

stick a plant in a pot with soil and just water, it will die for sure.

the nutes that may have been in the soil will leach out, and tha plant will "starve". without NPK and micronutrients the plant cannot grow.

maybe if you put it outside it will live.. but in nature everything we are trying to perfect is perfected. which is why we have to use these products because we cant all grow outside. but whatever..

trynagrowsumshyt- im not hatin on ya, i have a plant right now that i have not added any nutes and its beautiful. i would much rather take advice that is documented and proven by scientis, rather then tested by sum hippy ina basement. not saying everything else on this is wrong or any thing but i havent seen any problems from a single person on this thread other then a couple that didnt fully understand it. have YOU tried any thing techniques from this thread??? dont hate on something unless you really kno for a fact that it isnt true. there probly 20 noobs willing to prove you wrong =)
good luck with however you grow this magnificent plant man

jumboSWISHER said:

trynagrowsumshyt- im not hatin on ya, i have a plant right now that i have not added any nutes and its beautiful. i would much rather take advice that is documented and proven by scientis, rather then tested by sum hippy ina basement. not saying everything else on this is wrong or any thing but i havent seen any problems from a single person on this thread other then a couple that didnt fully understand it. have YOU tried any thing techniques from this thread??? dont hate on something unless you really kno for a fact that it isnt true. there probly 20 noobs willing to prove you wrong =)
good luck with however you grow this magnificent plant man

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i havnt used nutes on my current plants yet either.. the reason you havn't and your plants are ok is because your soil has nutes.. once your soil is flushed ur plants will die of some kind of deficiency. if you dont feed your plant who will?

thats one of the biggest points that got covered by riddleme, learn to read what ur plant wants, and give it what she wants. he doesnt say dont ever feed your plant, he says nature doesnt add all kinds of fancy crap. he mentioins tons of times that soil has all the essential nutrients a plant need, and that we need to properly introduce the right nutes at the right time. the whole thread boils down to basically the most effective way of watering/feeding. have you read the whole thread?? or just the first page?

hey, he's a noob(just like myself) trying to teach noobs. he has no experience even showing u the stuff he is.. i have been reading the thread .. and all he is doing is anwering your questions with other answers off the board.. no personal experience whatsoever.. its kind of a blind leading the blind thing..

and since probably 9 out of 10 of us noobs use 3part or 2part systems then that whole give her what she wants when she needs it is bs..

yea iv thought of that a couple times, but its not him teaching us really. its riddleme showing us where and how he learned all his info. hence all the links to real gardening information. he has never once said he is a pro or any thing of that sort. hes just a very helpful guy that doesnt like see noobs as myself and many other listen to false myths that have been started over the years. befor reading this thread i didnt understand wut NPK ratio wus, now i understand how the plants breaks down and uses every compound in the soil. and everything else that happens in the plants life. no matter how acurate his info is ther will always be nay sayyers. congrats on bein that nay sayer trynagrowsumshyt =) lol
iv actually been pretty surprised there hasnt been more people trying to prove riddleme wrong. IMO your doing a very great thing riddleme, and if there wus more people like you our world would be a much happier, pot filled place =)

wheres wrong info? i would like to know so i can see if it really is wrong... im not following this thread because i think riddleme is a badass, or this way of growing appeals to me. i follow because i want healthy happy plants, and this thread seems to me to be very acurate and truthful. if something is false i would like to know so i can make sure not to let it happen to my plants. im not trying to start sum internet fight or tell you you are wrong. there are millions of different ways to have a succesfull grow. IMO its all person belief, like a teen that wont listen to there parents but will listen if a complete stanger that tells them the same exact thing. idk nothing would be wut it is today without critisism (spelt that wrong) there are people that grow with complete opposite beliefs and techniques that all end up with respectable bud.

riddleme said:

Good answers & points

but I want you to think heat index, in reference to creating that perfect environment. Ever hear the weather man say the heat index is making it "feel" like

lets use my temp of 72F and humidity of 33% the heat index is 76.55

the combination of temp & humidity affect what the plant actually feels same as you and me

here is an online calculator, play with values to see combinations that work well together

http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver16.htm

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just like this.. plants dont feel index they feel actual heat. its its 70% they feel 70%. chemical properties do not feel index.

yea i didnt really understand that so i jus kinda skipped over it, but i think he wus trying to say about how heat/humidity depend on each other and if one is off there both off. if its 75 and 10% humidity your plant is most likely goona dry out and burn, but if you raise ur humidity to 30-60% the plant will be fine. i dont think he ment it actually feels the difference in heat index, just that the plant reacts differently with different indexs. the leaves wont be able to perspire without a good index, so therfor if the plant reacts differently with different indexs it may not be able to actually feel the index, but it knows what the index is, and with a correct index it will be happier and healthier then if it wus wrong.again i really didnt understand this post i think so if im wrong correct me

what info is wrong in the opening statement?? jus wondering lol
n the last thing i jus posted, i jus read it n i dont think it really makes sence haha so never mind on dat. haha

riddleme said:

and, I have been smoking MJ for over 40 years, I know for a fact that there are males in all of the many pounds of swag (mexican) I have consummed, so smoking male leafs is not a big NooB reach for me. Read Marijuana Chemistry by Micheal Starks 2nd edition and you will see that there are strains where the males actually have more THC than females.

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for him to have been smokin mj for 40 years he's at least 55 now.. so im sure he has alot of experience since he started in sept.. or the six months he studied for it.. but nothing is better than having real experience.

btw the second part the thc %age was higher not the actual amount of thc.. it was still barely there.. certain strains males .. not certain strains some males.. nvm .. thats too complicated for now.. blaze on

this is a great thread maybe it isnt 100% but your not gonna find that with all the strains/enviornments if your new to growing this is a great place to start its basically telling you dont buy into the hype learn to read your plants start simple and work your way up
i think beacuse of the value of the end product is so important to us we want to belive that more is better higher price tag=better smoke which is not true yes you can push your plants so hard they will grow faster you can also kill them or cause problems very easily by doing to much
at least thats what iv gotton from it + im alot less stressed out and am really looking forward to my next grow with all that iv learned from riu and watching my plants

DTR said:

this is a great thread maybe it isnt 100% but your not gonna find that with all the strains/enviornments if your new to growing this is a great place to start its basically telling you dont buy into the hype learn to read your plants start simple and work your way up
i think beacuse of the value of the end product is so important to us we want to belive that more is better higher price tag=better smoke which is not true yes you can push your plants so hard they will grow faster you can also kill them or cause problems very easily by doing to much
at least thats what iv gotton from it + im alot less stressed out and am really looking forward to my next grow with all that iv learned from riu and watching my plants

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i understand, but please believe you will never kno your plants true potential unless you push it.. yes less is more with mj. but more is better if u know what your doing. these products do work. or else they wouldnt be so popular, ive grown without the hype.. with the hype, and side by side.. ive tried diff soils and nutes.. and ive only been growin a lil over a year and i can say the enhancers do work.

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

just like this.. plants dont feel index they feel actual heat. its its 70% they feel 70%. chemical properties do not feel index.

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That's the best you can do?

So you may be correct about the chemical properties not feeling the index, but the plant itself sure does! I have seen it first hand. I have seen the leaves stand up trying to cool itself after raising the humidity in my box just a couple of percent. Although the temp in my box did not change at all, the index did and the plant felt it imo and was responding accordingly.

What Riddle is trying to explain is the relationship between the two. You can not change one thing and expect something else not to be effected. I think that even you will agree that a successful grow is the sum of all things and not just one or two.

And as for killing noobies plants,I do not believe there is one post on this thread that stated there plants have died from or have any adverse effects from using his advice or the advice of fdd2blk or Uncle Ben or Dave Coulier or any number of fellow growers who refuse to fall prey to the marketing hype of some nute manufacturer or forum myth.

Botany is the same wether you are growing weed or freakin turnips and that is what they are preaching. Keep it simple, learn to read em, and give em what they whant.

Keep em green

Big

i hear you on that im just saying to start if your doing to much its hard to learn i know you can grow faster bigger buds by reaching the limiting factors but if you dont start from what they need how will you know whats making it grow better/faster/bigger

bigman4270 said:

That's the best you can do?

So you may be correct about the chemical properties not feeling the index, but the plant itself sure does! I have seen it first hand. I have seen the leaves stand up trying to cool itself after raising the humidity in my box just a couple of percent. Although the temp in my box did not change at all, the index did and the plant felt it imo and was responding accordingly.

What Riddle is trying to explain is the relationship between the two. You can not change one thing and expect something else not to be effected. I think that even you will agree that a successful grow is the sum of all things and not just one or two.

And as for killing noobies plants,I do not believe there is one post on this thread that stated there plants have died from or have any adverse effects from using his advice or the advice of fdd2blk or Uncle Ben or Dave Coulier or any number of fellow growers who refuse to fall prey to the marketing hype of some nute manufacturer or forum myth.

Botany is the same wether you are growing weed or freakin turnips and that is what they are preaching. Keep it simple, learn to read em, and give em what they whant.

Keep em green

Big

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they went up because of humidity, not index.
yes it is the some of all things. but i feel like if your going to be telling people thing u should have tried it before instead blindly sayin whats the way to do things.

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

they went up because of humidity, not index.
yes it is the some of all things. but i feel like if your going to be telling people thing u should have tried it before instead blindly sayin whats the way to do things.

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I guess the only thing we can agree on is to disagree and thats cool. We all have our opinions.

It is my choice to subscribe to this form of growing just as it is your choice to grow the way you want. Just as you feel about the way you grow and the techniques you use, so does Riddle and the fellow noobs who ask for and use his advice, this noob included. One thing you need to remember is that us noobs went looking for him, he did not come looking for us. We all choose to practice his advice or not. I feel this thread is long enough now that if someone truly reads the thread from start to finish, they have enough information to either laugh at his practices or ask for help. Either way I am sure it does not matter to him.

If you feel that passionate about it, start your own advice thread rather than dawging on this one. I am sure you will get people that feel the way that you do and will subscribe to your way of growing. Thats whats so cool about this site. We can pick and choose what we feel works the best for us(me).

Peace

Big

bigman4270 said:

I guess the only thing we can agree on is to disagree and thats cool. We all have our opinions.

It is my choice to subscribe to this form of growing just as it is your choice to grow the way you want. Just as you feel about the way you grow and the techniques you use, so does Riddle and the fellow noobs who ask for and use his advice, this noob included. One thing you need to remember is that us noobs went looking for him, he did not come looking for us. We all choose to practice his advice or not. I feel this thread is long enough now that if someone truly reads the thread from start to finish, they have enough information to either laugh at his practices or ask for help. Either way I am sure it does not matter to him.

If you feel that passionate about it, start your own advice thread rather than dawging on this one. I am sure you will get people that feel the way that you do and will subscribe to your way of growing. Thats whats so cool about this site. We can pick and choose what we feel works the best for us(me).

Peace

Big

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i dont disagree at all with thread and what it promotes, if u were to look at my old journal i used to do the no ph and let nature take its course outlook.i disagree with the spread of false info.

Ok Tryna,

Riddle has never claimed to be a long time grower, but he's got a few grows under his belt and enough hands on (as well as book) knowledge to help keep total newbs from wasting time and money on gimmicks that don't work as advertised or that cost more then they are worth. Sure, he takes a lot of knowledge from UB. DC and others, but so what? If it's good advice (and anything from those people generally is) then what's the harm in him using it himself and passing it on?

If you're so concerned that he's not offering the best advice why don't you start your own teaching thread, post the pics of your grows, tell everyone how you do it, etc. There are more then one way to grow, and if you don't like the riddle/ub/dc/whoever method then teach your own.

i have to say i like seeing other peoples sides to things many more things are explained while things are debated along with helping you draw from your own experince