NooB Advice

EdGreyfox said:

Ok Tryna,

Riddle has never claimed to be a long time grower, but he's got a few grows under his belt and enough hands on (as well as book) knowledge to help keep total newbs from wasting time and money on gimmicks that don't work as advertised or that cost more then they are worth. Sure, he takes a lot of knowledge from UB. DC and others, but so what? If it's good advice (and anything from those people generally is) then what's the harm in him using it himself and passing it on?

If you're so concerned that he's not offering the best advice why don't you start your own teaching thread, post the pics of your grows, tell everyone how you do it, etc. There are more then one way to grow, and if you don't like the riddle/ub/dc/whoever method then teach your own.

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listen one more time.. we are all noobs here.. i have a year and some change worth of consistent growing experience, people have seen my grows and the praise is there.. i have since deleted all my pics off forum.


like i said. its just the false info thing.. other than that i love that we are helping..

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

i understand, but please believe you will never kno your plants true potential unless you push it.. yes less is more with mj. but more is better if u know what your doing. these products do work. or else they wouldnt be so popular, ive grown without the hype.. with the hype, and side by side.. ive tried diff soils and nutes.. and ive only been growin a lil over a year and i can say the enhancers do work.

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You're a newb stirring up shit.

Basic plant nutrition, correct environment and good genetics is all it takes. Fancy canna-specifc nutes are a waste of money. Same ions. You will never push the plant past its genetic profile anyway. If you really had done side-by-side you would see how wrong you are about "all those products"

This thread is full of tidbits from Uncle Ben, who really is the gold standard in "cut the bullshit" growing. You may not like his delivery method (gruff old fucker sometimes ) but the science is sound.

EDIT: P.S. We are not all newbs here. Speak for yourself

Unless you can make your own complete nutrients than you really say the hype is better. When you make your own nutes and do it right you'll be like. Damn! Better and Cheaper...way way cheaper.

GTFG, there is a chemical supply / Lab equipment store downtown that sells everything I would need in the way of materials and measuring equipment. I've been debating doing that for quite some time.

doogleef said:

GTFG, there is a chemical supply / Lab equipment store downtown that sells everything I would need in the way of materials and measuring equipment. I've been debating doing that for quite some time.

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Do it as soon as you can and start learning the science behind it. Start learning what your individual strain needs best. The main improvement is the price. Then again tho some Dyna Gro is cheap aswell. I'm just gonna snag some of that myself... ;p

go back to the 20's 30's pages.... look at my plants, actually they are all over this thread, you can watch the improvement as go go,................look at em now, THIS IS WITH miricale grow!! I dont need any ragging on petty BS of how they could be better...............just look.... I say this is a product of this thread................

Have you flowered your plants in Miracle Grow? If so how did that workout for you?

John, I can't really tell from the pics- how tall are your girls? And how old are they now? They look really good other then having a case of the after watering droops.

johnathandoe said:

go back to the 20's 30's pages.... look at my plants, actually they are all over this thread, you can watch the improvement as go go,................look at em now, THIS IS WITH miricale grow!! I dont need any ragging on petty BS of how they could be better...............just look.... I say this is a product of this thread................

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Damn JD, the girls are lookin good. They sure have come a long way huh.

Glad to see you guys backin up Riddle. Its hard not to get pissed off when guys like him roll in and stir up shit instead of maybe saying something constructive. Ya try and be nice to the guy and they want no part of it. Ran into a guy in UB's high P thread stirring up the same shit. Went back and forth a couple times but I backed down and invited him to stick around and help us noob's out. Haven't seen a post from him since.

Hey Riddle keep up the good work. I think you can see from the post's that your help and advice is truly appreciated.

Peace

Big

P.S. Hey Riddle if ya get a minute could you could stop by my grow and tell me what ya think? Thanx

EdGreyfox said:

John, I can't really tell from the pics- how tall are your girls? And how old are they now? They look really good other then having a case of the after watering droops.

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They Are in theyr 7th week, about 2-3 feet tall ( if that) , I topped them right before these pics, took off like 3-4 inches. OOOHHHH Yeahhhh have ya'll ever seen a plant bleed RED when you cut it?

WISH I knew what they would have looked like , IF I had know the things that are in this thread.........from the beginning , I am positive with the knowlege Riddle has shared( really other people have looked up the answers for them selves......not just took riddles word for it<me for one> I SERIOUSELY DOUBT any one can find any FACTUAL material to prove him wrong on any thing...

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Great job RIddle and THANKS!!

But unfortunately it has a high amount of nitrogen. A higher amount than phosphorous and potassium, if I'm not mistaken. Ratios like that where Ni is higher than P or K are not gonna help you on the scales my friend.

They are very green. Careful adding any more fertilizer as you are probably reaching toxicity. Looking good though. A couple weeks after you switch to 12/12 you can back off on the N quite a bit and bump up the P and K.

doogleef said:

You're a newb stirring up shit.

Basic plant nutrition, correct environment and good genetics is all it takes. Fancy canna-specifc nutes are a waste of money. Same ions. You will never push the plant past its genetic profile anyway. If you really had done side-by-side you would see how wrong you are about "all those products"

This thread is full of tidbits from Uncle Ben, who really is the gold standard in "cut the bullshit" growing. You may not like his delivery method (gruff old fucker sometimes ) but the science is sound.

EDIT: P.S. We are not all newbs here. Speak for yourself

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ive done it side by side.i also keep my journals on paper and rread them. but thats not y im here.. here to help.

The word is proof. Scientific proof. Not what you "feel" makes you plants better. Botany is botany. Plants are plants. Marijuana may be a great source of joy and relief for many of us but its just a plant. Provide it the basic building blocks it has evolved to use and let it do its thing. Waste all the $$ you want on designer nutes. The plants don't give a fuck if the raw inorganic minerals it takes up are from sterile or organic sources, nor does it give a fuck if you bought some $150 bottle of snake oil full of vitamins the plant doesn't use at the root level anyway.

Why do they sell so many of them? Herd mentality, marketing, a lack of general botanical knowledge, and the placebo effect.

just wanted to post a picture of my babies that I've been feeding jacks classic

doogleef said:

The word is proof. Scientific proof. Not what you "feel" makes you plants better. Botany is botany. Plants are plants. Marijuana may be a great source of joy and relief for many of us but its just a plant. Provide it the basic building blocks it has evolved to use and let it do its thing. Waste all the $$ you want on designer nutes. The plants don't give a fuck if the raw inorganic minerals it takes up are from sterile or organic sources, nor does it give a fuck if you bought some $150 bottle of snake oil full of vitamins the plant doesn't use at the root level anyway.

Why do they sell so many of them? Herd mentality, marketing, a lack of general botanical knowledge, and the placebo effect.

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the proof is in the pudding.. u can push anything past its genetic limits.. look at what steroids do to athletes, and you know that shit aint genetically normal. i understand what you all are saying, i keep telling all you people, i wasn't here to bash.. just stop leadin mothafuckas with false info. tellin people all this shit and you havnt tried any of it.. saying shit don't work and you have never tried.. i have grown in miracle gro with good result, i have grown in sunshine mix, and fox farm and most recently, just right xtra..scientist have worked these thing to be cannabis specific, just like they have plants specific soil for tomatoes/orchids.. it is no different, but it does make one.i would suggest u try some things before u bash em, and dont bash me, cuz like i said im here to help.. so just ask me instead.

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

i already found him wrong.. go back a bit.

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You say you found me wrong? The only thing I saw was that you disagreed with using a heat index to determine proper temp/humidity levels

So I ask you, have you tried it?

How can you say it's wrong if you have not tried it?

I know it works and several people here have tried it and seen it work as well, let's see one of them chimed in to tell you it works and you seem to want to ignore that and just keep saying it's wrong?

I never said the plants "feel" it I explained that a combo of temp and humidity that create a heat index of a couple of points higher than the actual temp create a condition where faster stress free transpiration takes place.

You should really try it before saying it is wrong???

Totally agreed, you can try and push advance nutrients or what ever nute brand you want. what it boils down to is the numbers, the N P K values in a nute formula mean the same thing in a bottle of jack, shultz, ff, advance and so on. they are the same chemical compound from one to another. the only thing that varies is the amounts of each and obviously the price. now you can claim that expensive nutes push you plant past its genetic boundaries, but i for one think just by having more light you can do this just as easy. i mean obviously look at an outdoor plant compared to an indoor one. the outdoor is always gonna be bigger and a larger producer.

the only reason i joined a forum was to gain useful information to aide me in my grow and pick out the facts from the BS. as im sure this is why many off you joined. its not to bash someone one elses ideas, cuz like riddleme said, claiming to do it is one thing and actually doing it is another. now with that said im gonna stick to what im doin with my cheap nutrients and keep getting the results im getting. and trust me they are almost equal to my first grow when i spent over $400 dollars on the advance nutrient brand. only differance is that the plants now didnt almost die from solid build up in the soil. thanks to riddleme and his "RAIN" method.

would the " close to toxicity" have any thing to do with the main stem bleeding RED when I topped them?

My miracle grow is 25% N (nitrogen) 8% P (phosphate) 16% K (potassium) and I am feeding it every other day at 50% dilluted( made 1 gal reg strenth, measure 1/2 & 1/2 in a cup w/ water) only been at 50% for 2 feedings now.