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hey riddle, i have a question that i dont think ne body will b able to answer lol think ya could take a look? >> https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/312416-can-u-stress-clone-into.html

yone187 said:

hello all! I got some updated pics of my little ones for you to see. if you remember i had over watered them. how do they look now?
I cant get it any lower then the temp in the picture of the thermometer.

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They are looking better, BUT,,,,,

I am very confused as to why you have celophane on the cups???

also 84 F with 16% RH is gonna stunt em a lot!

You really need to get that under control, I know you say you can't but the plant is saying You Must!

EdGreyfox said:

Riddle,

I thought about that, but this is a multi page spreadsheet that has formulas running between various pages. I'm not sure if all of that will go through being uploaded as a text file and then reformatted as an excel file and still work properly. I can always send it to your email if your interested, just need the address.

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I would zip everything up (ok I prefer winrar, so I would actually rar it up)

then change the .zip to .txt that should keep everything intact during an upload, I may experiment with it if I get a bit of time later on?

but wut im stumped on is the mother plant wus about 5 feet tall and under 4 23 watt cfls, barely makin it along. the clone is under the same amount of light, and concidering distance of bulbs,coverage of the plant, i would deffinatly say the clone has more light then the mother plant ever had.

riddleme said:

They are looking better, BUT,,,,,

I am very confused as to why you have celophane on the cups???

also 84 F with 16% RH is gonna stunt em a lot!

You really need to get that under control, I know you say you can't but the plant is saying You Must!

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the plastic on the cups is to keep the moisture in the soil.
I will be going to get some soil and 3 or 5 gallon pots and some mulch or pebbles or something to replace the cellophane. I am not really sure how i can get the temp lower... a cool mist humidifier?

Riddle, If you want me to send it to you to play with just give me the email address you want it sent to and I'll get it sent over.

I really wish I had my own camera. My brother in law comes by every week or so and takes a ton of pictures, but he never remembers to send them to me so i can post them. My grow is coming along ok, and I'm guessing I'm about 4-5 weeks from harvest time. All the plants have a ton of bud sites going, and my main colas are all budding up nicely. I only have a few issues. One, the plants really aren't adding the height that they should be. Since putting them into flowering they've grown maybe 8 inches total, and thats been a month now. True, that whole 8 inches is covered in buds, but they should be growing at twice that rate. I'm starting to think that their roots have run out of growing room since the pots are only about 60% full of soil (the showers have washed away a good bit, and they were only arou nd 75-80% full to start with). That's the only explanation that makes sense to me, at least.

The other problem I have is that my fan leaves keep having various problems. I lose a couple off each plant every day to either yellowing, spotting, curling up and drying out, etc. The small leaves and buds are fine, and it's not happening to all of the fan leaves either. The top two sets of fan leaves on every plant are fine, but from there down it's hit or miss. I'm not sure if it's just older leaves finally running out of energy and being discarded, or if it's the FF nutrients. Some leaves look like nute burn, but others look like nute deficiencies, so i don't know what to think. The FF veg nutes work fine, but I'm really starting to wonder about the mixture they use for flowering.

Ed, loosing yellow lowers at wk 4 has happened to me and there were always 1 of 2 causes.

A lack of N in the feed or excess of P antagonizing uptake.

A root issue causing uptake problems.

Well I could say that I did not make it to RIU yesterday/last night because it was St Pattys day and I was partying (I am Irish) but alas my puter would not let me go anywhere

I work on puters all day so I hate working on mine and this was one wierd problem but figured it out and got it fixed so back now and caught up (takes forever to read the 60 threads I'm subscribed to)

Doog,

I may have all three. The pots are 5 gallon, but only about 1/2 full of soil at this point so the roots may be running out of room. As for the nutrients, I just can't tell. The FF mix has you putting in equal parts of a 6-4-4 and a 2-8-4, along with small amounts of supplements that have really whacked ratios (0-45-10), so trying to figure out exactly what ratio I'm running isn't going to be easy. One of the plants is showing all the signs of a PH problem, but they were showered last week. Unless my water has suddenly gotten a lot more alkaline that shouldn't be the problem (though it is a little high), and the shower should have washed away salt builds up that would cause nute lock out, so I don't know what to think at this point. I'm just going to try and get through the rest of this grow and switch over to jacks- at least then I'll know how much of what my girls are getting. I hve decided to upgrade to larger pots though-I was talking to the grower at the dispensary I've started frequenting, and he was saying that if you're growing plants over 4 foot tall that you really want to give their roots more room then a 5 gallon pot will allow. He suggested I consider getting 8-10 gallon pots where the plant had at least 9" to expand in every direction from the central stalk if I want to grow plants like UB is hiding behind in his avatar.

EdGreyfox said:

Doog,

I may have all three. The pots are 5 gallon, but only about 1/2 full of soil at this point so the roots may be running out of room. As for the nutrients, I just can't tell. The FF mix has you putting in equal parts of a 6-4-4 and a 2-8-4, along with small amounts of supplements that have really whacked ratios (0-45-10), so trying to figure out exactly what ratio I'm running isn't going to be easy. One of the plants is showing all the signs of a PH problem, but they were showered last week. Unless my water has suddenly gotten a lot more alkaline that shouldn't be the problem (though it is a little high), and the shower should have washed away salt builds up that would cause nute lock out, so I don't know what to think at this point. I'm just going to try and get through the rest of this grow and switch over to jacks- at least then I'll know how much of what my girls are getting. I hve decided to upgrade to larger pots though-I was talking to the grower at the dispensary I've started frequenting, and he was saying that if you're growing plants over 4 foot tall that you really want to give their roots more room then a 5 gallon pot will allow. He suggested I consider getting 8-10 gallon pots where the plant had at least 9" to expand in every direction from the central stalk if I want to grow plants like UB is hiding behind in his avatar.

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Hey Ed

just try feeding a dose of veg nutes, every 3rd feeding till you run out of FF

as for the pot size thing, rule of thumb is 1 gallon per 1 foot of hieght, so 5gallon pot would be good for 4 foot plant

Riddle- That's assuming the soil all stays in the pot. I'm discovering that between showering every few weeks and regular waterings that the soil level drops quite a bit by the end of the grow. The blueberries i started 5 week back are in 5 gallon pots that i filled almost to the top, but as of today they are only about 85% full. The grow I have flowering was transplanted by the person who provided the clones since he was showing me how it was supposed to be done, so the pots only got filled about 2/3 of the way full to start with, and are now at about 1/2 full. My plants are all a bit above the 2 foot mark now, but i can't realistically expect them to get much over 3 foot (if that) with only 2.5 gallons of soil left in the pots. I've learned another lesson though-pots that drain out the bottom lose more soil then those that drain out the sides at the bottom.

Do you ever add fresh soil to the top layers in your pot to make up for whats been lost or compacted during watering? I've thought about it, but I have so many little bud sites that are only an inch or so above the soil that I figure I would be better of leaving well enough alone and trying to adjust things on the next set of plants.

EdGreyfox said:

Riddle- That's assuming the soil all stays in the pot. I'm discovering that between showering every few weeks and regular waterings that the soil level drops quite a bit by the end of the grow. The blueberries i started 5 week back are in 5 gallon pots that i filled almost to the top, but as of today they are only about 85% full. The grow I have flowering was transplanted by the person who provided the clones since he was showing me how it was supposed to be done, so the pots only got filled about 2/3 of the way full to start with, and are now at about 1/2 full. My plants are all a bit above the 2 foot mark now, but i can't realistically expect them to get much over 3 foot (if that) with only 2.5 gallons of soil left in the pots. I've learned another lesson though-pots that drain out the bottom lose more soil then those that drain out the sides at the bottom.

Do you ever add fresh soil to the top layers in your pot to make up for whats been lost or compacted during watering? I've thought about it, but I have so many little bud sites that are only an inch or so above the soil that I figure I would be better of leaving well enough alone and trying to adjust things on the next set of plants.

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Why I fill the bottom of my pot with perlite (bout 2 inches deep)
never lost any soil

I would transplant em (sort of) pull em out of the pot add soil put em back
yeah it will stress em a bit maybe add 4 t0 6 days to recover but will also give ya a chance to look at the root structure and determine more what your issue is

You don't think it would do more harm then good 4-5 weeks into flowering? I've been trying to avoid doing anything drastic because I'm only 4-5 weeks away from harvest and I didn't want to risk messing something up in a big way and/or losing a plant. I've got a bag of either perlite or vermiculite sitting up in the flowering room along with most of a bag of soil, so I have the materials. It's just that these girls have been through so much already that I'm worried that shocking their system again will just hurt the final harvest even more then it already has been by my noob mistakes.

p.s. I use a layer of hydroton a couple inches thick on the bottom, but if the perlite accomplishes the same thing without letting soil escape I'll have to switch methods on the next set I plant.

EdGreyfox said:

You don't think it would do more harm then good 4-5 weeks into flowering? I've been trying to avoid doing anything drastic because I'm only 4-5 weeks away from harvest and I didn't want to risk messing something up in a big way and/or losing a plant. I've got a bag of either perlite or vermiculite sitting up in the flowering room along with most of a bag of soil, so I have the materials. It's just that these girls have been through so much already that I'm worried that shocking their system again will just hurt the final harvest even more then it already has been by my noob mistakes.

p.s. I use a layer of hydroton a couple inches thick on the bottom, but if the perlite accomplishes the same thing without letting soil escape I'll have to switch methods on the next set I plant.

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IMO I do not think it would hurt em, hell if you remember I pulled the coir pot out of the soil in week 7 or 8 and she finished

Hell just do it to the worst one and see what happens

shrub is an a$$hole. i took your post word for word and got to thinking myself, as intended. majored in shite, shrub did. and it seems he got his degree

eggsonbass said:

shrub is an a$$hole. i took your post word for word and got to thinking myself, as intended. majored in shite, shrub did. and it seems he got his degree

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Read the whole thread (you'll be glad you did!)

Shrubs and I are friends now and he really is a knowledgable grower, not an a$$hole I reccommend reading his journals if in hydro!!!

Ok so I am now in week seven and the girls hermied on me. I took a few samples off of plant and this morning I was turning them and found a seed poking its head out of a bud. After further examination it seems that both girls have ball sacks on them. I expected that the one I took a cut from would turn, but the seed I found was on the plant not cut.

If you have read my thread than you know the hell I put them through, I am not truly surprised but I was hoping to finish with no seeds at all. Oh well better luck next time. They were bag seed anyway so it may have been unstable genetics or just my f--- ups

I added my new veg box and now I am beginning to think light does have an effect on weather they turn or not. That is the only thing that changed about the grow.

Hey Riddle, didn't you say that yours Matilda was in the living room with you and exposed to light at nite? It didn't hurt yours that I remember?

Should I just let them finish? I know they are pretty good when it comes to the high/ Not sure what to do.

Any help appreciated.

Tryin to keep em green!!!



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and arent hermi seeds mostly fem??
cuz theres no male present to give it the male chromozone

Some great advice everyone should listen to this. You start off from nothing, and you learn this is how everything is in life, you cant ride a bicycle correctly on your first time, but with time and practice you become an expert. This is extremely important, dont go for what the experts do, start off slow and you'll become an expert!

i got at least 4 to 6 more weeks till i can chop