ItsJustMe84
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Ahh yes i get you now i seen something on a vid about the numbers on the bottle, with the number at the front, will it hurt my plants if i change my nute plan?
nute burn, cutting affected leaves
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ItsJustMe84
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Cheers d boii much appreciated, u got any nute plan reccomendations for the stage im at coco grow, 15 plants under 3 x 600w?
Dboi87
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Coco is considered a soilless substrate and acts like a hydroponic set up would such as if you were using rock wool. Nice thing about coco is you can water it as you would soil. I've never grown in coco so I would suggest asking someone more well versed to find out any of the nuances only experience could tell you.
What I do know is that in any soilless setup, you absolutely must have a complete nutrient regimen (all essential macro and micro nutrients). DG is awesome especially for the price.
Honestly though most any line will work so long as you understand what's happening when you use them. I prefer to keep it simple. I'm not entering the cannabis cup and I'm pretty busy so I use foliage pro from start to finish at around 2ml per gallon.
If you do choose to go with a cannabis specific bloom food then heck go for it. Just be sure to have something like DG foliage pro around as a corrective safety net because I can almost guarantee you'll see some early yellowing with bloom foods. Most simply do not have enough N to keep the leaves (your plants solar panels. Without them, buds don't grow) healthy.
If you spent the money on them I say use them up. Once you see a problem pop up, leach the coco by flushing it out with plenty water, wait 15 min maybe a half hour then feed with a complete and high N food like foliage pro until you see healthy growth again.
Again though growing is a lifelong learning experience. Keep at it and you'll find what works best to fit your preferences. Some people love to nit pick and complicate things and have pissing matches over. It's a competition to them for bragging rights. Some people want things as hassle free as possible. To be honest with you, lately I've been trying to find a commercial slow release food that would work from start to finish so that all I have to do is water and maintain environment. Lol funny thing is... UB suggested this almost 2 years ago.
rob333
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its fine thats a minor nute burn flush and remove the leave dose with some super thrive or a nice kelp nute rizo tonic if u can get it with in a week she will be fine
rob333
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and yes there is a pure N product
Dboi87
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Awesome. link?
rob333
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if use need advice in the future inbox me i work at a hydro store have been for the last 10 years
rob333
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lol
Uncle Ben
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rob333
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i love the shit it says 1ml per ltr tho i wouldent i go about half that per ltr
ItsJustMe84
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Cheers for that pal, whatever i did to my plants hasnt spread, but i will say compared to pics ive seen my leafs do look lighter than id like them to look the plants in themselves are growing ok its quite annoying now its been pointed out, and the burns occoured 3 weeks ago now and havnt spread fast as its still the old bottoms, also i did flush beofre i switched to my bloom feed, do you know exactly how much nitrogen is efficent for a plant? In all both my feeds together contain 10% nitrogen? And ive always used the smallest reccomended dose, which is 30mls every 10 litres but i could use 40mls? Obviously im missing something either that or im feeding them wrong, thanx for the link but im from the uk and dont trust the times it takes to come altho i will look for a simaliar product, sorry if my grammaŕ not up to scratch im dyslexic as shiy
rob333
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u can always run a dose of veg nutes with ur flower nutes in times of N deff man what i do is for the first 3 weeks of flower i mix half veg and half flower at the ml rate for the week they are in
ItsJustMe84
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Ok ub im apolagise for not listening to you first off, maybe we both clashed because were both short tempered, but id like to put that behind us cause wether i like it or not you are a very knowledgeable guy and would prefer to take your advice than argue with you so again my apologise, and belive me i find that hard to do so
ItsJustMe84
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yh i can do that try it out, if it is an N def then it must of been the veg food that caused it or lack of what was in it, say i carry on with my bloom feed and the N def stays the same only affecting bottoms, what affect will it have on overall quality and yield?
ItsJustMe84
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Ok guys so i up'd my feed a little yesterday as a way to get more nitrogen into my leaves, gone in this morning and it seems my leafs have darkend, heres a pic? What do u think now?
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Uncle Ben
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Apology accepted.
N sources - ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate, UAN (ammonium nitrate+urea in liquid form), blood meal, 30-10-10 or other high N foods like fish emulsion - 5-1-1, urea.
Just because you add more food doesn't mean you're correcting the problem....you're also adding more of everything else too. Remember that nutrient antagonism thingie I was referring you too? You really need to become familiar with that concept. Check out this link and just for grins look at what an excess of P does regarding antagonism of other elements like micros which I pointed out earlier during our shitfest.
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/fertilizer/nutri_def.html This all may create an "oh my gawd" rather confusing, anxiety provoking reaction. Don't go overboard on any one element in a food which means don't believe the vendor hype. Trust me, they are NOT on your side. They're selling you what they think you want to buy into. If your foods are fairly well balanced, you'll do fine.Again, I raise incredible pot from start to finish in a 3 gal. pot of custom made soil and a 12 month slow release 18-4-9 encapsulated food, see the label. Contrary to the misguided albeit "popular" forum paradigm, this high N and low P works great as witnessed in 7' high O. Haze plants I've shown. Cannabis is a tropical foliage plant that flowers. It needs plenty of N.
AGAIN, learn plant nutrition which means empower yourself with knowledge so some cash sucking cannabis shyster doesn't screw you. Get rid of what you have since you don't know what the nutritional values are and then buy a "normal" food like JR Peters or Dyna-Gro, not cannabis specific. They can be trusted not to sell you a bunch of crap, the salts used are of very high quality, and they are one part, value oriented products.
Good luck
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