Obama's address to congress.......

See you all would actually have a good debate if you would not regurgitate the lies that is being slung against this bill. You have a good angle with not doing it because of less government intervention, and more tort reform (which is kinda funny that you don't want the government to step in to provide affordable insurance, but you are fine with them stepping in and saying that you can't sue).

I think that it is sad, and well appropriate that the idiot yelled "You Lie!" when all the bills do have lines in them that explicitly say that illegal immigrants are not eligible. But I guess he is a patriot, or american, or whatever it is that you want to call yourselves to push us below you.

Don't tell me "Nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have", because that means nothing and it sure doesn't PREVENT it from happening. If you're going to bother to say anything, it had better be "We will make it a crime for any employer to throw his/her employees on to the public plan against their will". Anything less and it still allows it. I sure as hell didn't hear that... did you?
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I may be wrong here, but wouldn't the government coming in and saying that it is against the law to chose which insurance plan that you are able to get government control? So you are completely against getting them to have a insurance program, but again ok with them telling you that you are not able to get it....

He should get a two week bump from an adequate sales job of the same old talking points we've been hearing for months. Again, saying it won't cover this or do that is nothing but words, and we've all seen how those can be manipulated or twisted. The problem with the entire speech was there was no hard evidence to back up anything he said. Just more promises and guarantees.
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I personally would love to have him up there with chart after chart, and doing a 'lesson' for the country. I think that we are to the point that this does need to happen. We need to get smarter as a nation, and the only way to do it is to not rely on people educating themselves anymore, since all the information is so corrupted at this point.
 
hanimmal said:
See you all would actually have a good debate if you would not regurgitate the lies that is being slung against this bill. You have a good angle with not doing it because of less government intervention, and more tort reform (which is kinda funny that you don't want the government to step in to provide affordable insurance, but you are fine with them stepping in and saying that you can't sue).

I think that it is sad, and well appropriate that the idiot yelled "You Lie!" when all the bills do have lines in them that explicitly say that illegal immigrants are not eligible. But I guess he is a patriot, or american, or whatever it is that you want to call yourselves to push us below you.



I may be wrong here, but wouldn't the government coming in and saying that it is against the law to chose which insurance plan that you are able to get government control? So you are completely against getting them to have a insurance program, but again ok with them telling you that you are not able to get it....
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Well said, as usual. You are the official voice of reason on this forum :mrgreen:

One thing that I hate, that I abhor, that I detest are all these lies being spread. They're simply and factually lies. Why do people hear death panel and illegal immigrants and assume that it's true. A tiny little search will reveal the ridiculousness of these claims. Come on people. The weed is frying your brain!
 
jrh72582 said:
Oh, okay. So Obama invented taxes. I see.

I always wondered who invented those things.......now I know :spew:
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Look, One way or another I'm going to have to either be forced to pay by haveing "insurance" I don't want or be charged for NOT having it as a tax.

Wow, your right. He is going to "invent" a new tax. :twisted::mrgreen:
 
Look, One way or another I'm going to have to either be forced to pay by haveing "insurance" I don't want or be charged for NOT having it as a tax.

Wow, your right. He is going to "invent" a new tax. :twisted::mrgreen:
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Well then I will pull some republican quotes for you.

Why don't you quit gambling with my money. I don't want to pay for you idiots when you get into a accident or get sick and need insurance and cannot get it. I'm sick of you free loaders.
 
Oh cool so you have a hundred thousand in cash lying around to pay for your medical bills if you get into a severe car accident? Because if you don't have insurance that is what you would pay around for a week or two stay.
 
Well I hope that your gamble pays off. Because hospital stays get damn expensive very quick, and if you don't have insurance (and they don't kick you if you do) you will blow through that in no time.
 
Life is a gamble my friend and it's not one any of us are gonna win. Unless i am on life support and/or unconsious i won't be staying in a hospital.
 
hanimmal said:
Well I hope that your gamble pays off. Because hospital stays get damn expensive very quick, and if you don't have insurance (and they don't kick you if you do) you will blow through that in no time.
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And then the public option we have now will kick in; someone pays in the end. 60K, hah. You get major cancer, you are going to want everything in the medicine cabinet and it ain't free. You could blow through that in a week.

I guess you don't want motor vehicle insurance either, but every state requires it (I may be wrong, I don't care).
 
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