Occupy Wall Street Day 11+
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mccumcumber
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Agreed, fucking with anonymous = disaster
deprave
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I would say that hes a cop, but I think hes just a twenty something that doesn't read the paper.
deprave
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FINALLY SOMEONE ARTICULATES THE GOALS ON MAIN STREAM MEDIA PROPERLY IN THE FINAL INTERVIEW ON THIS CLIP
1. END CORPORATISM
2. END MILITARISM
AND A PLAN TO DO IT (Besides Ron Paul 2012
)
God Bless Humanitarianism its time we take control of our destiny like never before!
[video=youtube;IDnFbIwZUWQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDnFbIwZUWQ[/video]
1. END CORPORATISM
2. END MILITARISM
AND A PLAN TO DO IT (Besides Ron Paul 2012
)God Bless Humanitarianism its time we take control of our destiny like never before!
[video=youtube;IDnFbIwZUWQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDnFbIwZUWQ[/video]
The Ruiner
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Wow...now I'm a cop? That's awesome. Right about the paper thing, I scan drudge, Huffpo, Xinhua, itar-tass, globalsecurity. I subscribe to Stratfor because relying on the rhetoric filled media is a bad way to get information. But, I also read journals like World Affairs, National Interest, Foreign Policy (mag).
Cops aren't all that bad, infact - I have had very few negative interactions with them. I know how protests go, I know the provocations and manipulations made by the protestors to agitate and obscure situations to their benefit (start the semantic bickering, NOW).
Just based off of what little information there is available regarding the organizers, I don't agree. They are insulated, and not really "leading" or putting their faces out in front. They are working with a group whose agenda I don't find particularly appealing (anonymous), and I find that the terribly ill-defined aim of the protests to be entirely counter-productive to any policy change in favor "of the people."
It's an emotional appeal, plain and simple. Because, at the end of all of this - there is no objective, except to agitate. Whether or not it works in the way that actually effects change remains to be seen (read: voting). So, in the end: I don't agree with the platform of an ill-defined objective or the lack of repsonsibility of the organizers and ultimately think that this wont change how anything works because there is no clear objective to change anything.
Cops aren't all that bad, infact - I have had very few negative interactions with them. I know how protests go, I know the provocations and manipulations made by the protestors to agitate and obscure situations to their benefit (start the semantic bickering, NOW).
Just based off of what little information there is available regarding the organizers, I don't agree. They are insulated, and not really "leading" or putting their faces out in front. They are working with a group whose agenda I don't find particularly appealing (anonymous), and I find that the terribly ill-defined aim of the protests to be entirely counter-productive to any policy change in favor "of the people."
It's an emotional appeal, plain and simple. Because, at the end of all of this - there is no objective, except to agitate. Whether or not it works in the way that actually effects change remains to be seen (read: voting). So, in the end: I don't agree with the platform of an ill-defined objective or the lack of repsonsibility of the organizers and ultimately think that this wont change how anything works because there is no clear objective to change anything.
ihatepolice
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what your doing is arguing with your eyes the videos dont lie.
deprave
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@Ruiner
so essentially you think they are a bunch of heathen anarchist....worthless trash - drunkards....your perspective its no better than bill o reily....you say there isn't a goal..There is a goal, save humanity..how do we do this? very simple if you paid attention to current events, to sum it up into two very broad categories that each issue falls under:
1. End Corporatism
2. End Militarism
very broad indeed but if you would like specifics I would be glad to lay it out for you, furthermore, THERE IS a plan on how to do all of this.
you say you read drudge and those other news sources and are up on current events yet somehow you don't understand this and have a very strange perspective. Do you study business and economics? If your not cop you are in a very unique position in life, I'm not sure what it is exactly, If your just a regular joe then I would say your probably under 25 years old or perhaps over 50...What do you think about the IMF and the FED? What do you think about corporatism in general? lobbyist? Do you not realize that corporatism is raping the people and this earth?
so essentially you think they are a bunch of heathen anarchist....worthless trash - drunkards....your perspective its no better than bill o reily....you say there isn't a goal..There is a goal, save humanity..how do we do this? very simple if you paid attention to current events, to sum it up into two very broad categories that each issue falls under:
1. End Corporatism
2. End Militarism
very broad indeed but if you would like specifics I would be glad to lay it out for you, furthermore, THERE IS a plan on how to do all of this.
you say you read drudge and those other news sources and are up on current events yet somehow you don't understand this and have a very strange perspective. Do you study business and economics? If your not cop you are in a very unique position in life, I'm not sure what it is exactly, If your just a regular joe then I would say your probably under 25 years old or perhaps over 50...What do you think about the IMF and the FED? What do you think about corporatism in general? lobbyist? Do you not realize that corporatism is raping the people and this earth?
beardo
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Ron Paul 2012
End Militarism
Lets unite and all vote for Ron Paul
Register Republican so your vote counts in the primary, giving Ron Paul the chance to represent US as President.
He is The One who cares about Your Freedom!
He represents Your Rights.
Do some Research. Listen to the man- He is worthy of our respect.
bedspirit
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I don't know if you recall the posters Adbusters was putting out before the protest. One of them said "what is our one demand?" It was ironic that they didn't really know, but they had a list of things that were up for debate:
1. Reinstate Glass-Steagall
2. Outlaw Flash trading (actually, I thought this was already slated to be outlawed)
3. Impose a 1% tax on all financial transaction
4. End corporate personhood
5. demand Obama set up an American Democracy Reform Commission tasked with ending the monied corruption in Washington (because commissions in Washington always lead to good things...)
6. Break up the too big to fail banks
as the protest has gone on, other issues have come up, for instance ending militarism was something everyone seemed to agree on.
As an example of the poor organization of the protests, LaRouche Pac was one of the first non-leftist groups to announce that they'd be protesting as well. They want to reinstate Glass Steagall, but they also that think that Obama is trying to turn his presidency into a dictatorship and their demonstrators usually have the Obama/Hitler mustache signs. This didn't sit well with the other left leaning groups and there is video of people trying to kick the Larouchers out on day one. Since then, they've seem to become a little more united.
Unlike you, I prefer that the goal not be 100% defined. I think when Freedom Works was bussing tea partiers around and telling exactly what to say, it amounted to them hijacking the tea party to achieve their own goals. The lack of organization of this protest signals that it's still genuine. I don't really care if some people are there just out of general hatred for the banks or if they're there because they really understand the collusion between them and the government. I don't even care if they think that the CEO's of the banks are members of the Illuminati who have manufactured every major financial crisis of the last century to enrich themselves and enslave the rest of us. I want to see as many people protesting as possible. The country tried voting for change and that didn't seem to work. It's time for a different approach.
The Ruiner
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I'm not arguing with anything, what the video shows is only a small part of the entirety of those encounters - it's not exactly conclusive. You can believe what you want, but entirely ruling out objectivity based off of what amounts to barely 1-2 minutes worth of video is folly.
Deprave, are you just going to constantly put words in people's mouths when they dont agree with your views? I want to outline where I said any of what you are accusing me of.
Your lofty goals and broadstroke of economics, corporations, and financial institutions are so badly conflicting, that to sort your own bullshit out for you would require more time than I have the patience to tolerate. Suffice to say, you can make a different choice than to consume the propaganda you push, and start actually educating yourself on the status of the world, and America.
You tread an old path in worn shoes.
The country bought into the hype of change without ever reading the fine-print before purchase. This may come as a shock to all of you, but I was one of the first people to point out during the democratic debates that Obama's foreign policy advisor was none other than Z-Bigman Brzenski himself and that his entire campaign approach was a sham (ha! fuck those people that said I was an asshole then).
My point is that everyone is always looking for an easy way out; instead of becoming what would be the solution (Jeffersonian idea of informed populace), we have used the excuse of the information overload to be the most manipulated populace ever to exist. Because people are upset, they latch to bogey-men as soon as one is presented. No one is delving deeper, except those without the luxury of such short-sighted thinking: The Policy Makers.
They have no margin of error, and can't afford to be wrong. While, anyone with an agenda and a budget, can spin the bejeesus out of damn near anything, right or wrong. Usually, wrong. The circumstances facing the country will not fade because someone in particular is elected (how friggin' naive were they?), they must be addressed. What will work to change is Americans educating themselves on just how their government functions on a day to day, not rhetorical slams of "rape."
Furthermore, the biggest and most hypo-fucking-critical element of these "protests" is that these are ordinary Americans. Ordinary Americans are major consumers of the products of "militarism" and "corporatism." If these people were so upset, why don't they adjust their lifestyles? Why don't they adjust where they spend their money? I find it entirely out of line with the reality of the situation. The more these people point the finger, the more it points back at themselves.
Prefontaine
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[video=youtube;mlRLdCQvFuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRLdCQvFuc[/video]
Prefontaine
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[video=youtube;iUZdJUeHwYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUZdJUeHwYQ[/video]
bedspirit
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If your solution is that we should all do our homework and vote our way out of this mess, then I think you're the idealist. I doubt that all of America will suddenly become interested in politics and make good informed decisions. If we don't do something that wakes people up, I think we will continue to vote for the lesser evil every election. I realize that it's been said before and done before, but what else can be done?
I'm curious how deprave will respond to the notion that his ideas are conflicting. The thing that makes Deprave different than other activists saying similar things is that he seems to coming from the right, not the left. He believes in free markets and doesn't believe in the government stepping in to take care of us all. So while it may be an old path, I would characterize his shoes as new.
deprave
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Your right I am sorry I do that a lot to you, its a miscommunication, its just I have a hard time figuring you out, you and I are from different worlds. Its what I have gathered from your posts, anyway I apologize if its a gross misinterpretation. I would have to go look up all your posts and compile them really to give you specific examples of how I formed this impression but I don't have the time and neither do you so I apologize and lets just leave it at that, won't happen again.
Rightly so you give me a taste of my own medicine for which I just apologized above here, I lay this tactic down and I would appreciate it if you do the same.
Now...Instead of getting offended and firing back because I was a dick and deserved it...If you could address my main points/questions that would be high appreciated...It just astonishes me some of the things that you say, Im sorry to get upset but just look at the paragraph in bold for one, I will address this paragraph:
Why don't they just adjust their lifestyles? You ask...quite a neoliberal type of viewpoint here, very Bill O Reily'ish thats why I compare you two...My big questions for you is...Who is responsible in your view for the financial crisis of 2008? The better question...Who was the most responsible?
Most importantly....maybe they have ADJUSTED their lifestyles or don't need to, thats not the point, I am well off and Id just as soon join them. I am leaving my steady job to do so just because forunately I can...The problem is not WALLSTREET! The problem is NOT capitalism....its crony capitalism and corporatism...This is the source of the problem for every humanitarian issue...Including these policy makers you think so highly of...the drug companies lobby to keep marijuana illegal...there is one small example for you...money does more than just SWAY politics..a measely 30 grand and Rick Perrys giving little girls shots with untested drugs...and special interest put issues like pro-life/pro-choice/and gay marriage as the most important issue...Corporate interest put their interest first when for any politician to get elected he needs to make millions of dollars....I can go on an on but Id like to hear you answer those questions...This is not just America this is worldwide because the of the dollar.
1) Who is responsible for the financial crisis of 2008? Secondly who do you believe is the MOST responsible? Lastly who suffered because of it?
2) Why should lobbyist and corporations have strong political influence?
Carne Seca
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[video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1317619852[/video]
I thought this video was interesting. Wall Street Execs. are watching the protest from balconies while drinking champagne and laughing at the protesters.
I thought this video was interesting. Wall Street Execs. are watching the protest from balconies while drinking champagne and laughing at the protesters.
ihatepolice
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i was gonna reply to his post but you sir handled it and did a very good job i think its better then if i would have done it. good job
Jack Fate
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Everyone laughs at stupid people, not just Wall Street execs.
Annonymous started this with some video releases about 5 months ago. I watched them on their blog when they were released and I thought well, we'll see what happens. If you scroll down you will find them under "old news". heres a link to blog http://anonops.blogspot.com/ they have many blogs but they are constantly under attack from governments and corporations. This one seems to be the most reliable.
Its amazing how this has united everyone both left and right. Their are tea baggers down there, Ron Paulers, Dems, Libs, Independents, Rep's, but not many free market conservatives.......
Whats the one issue that unites us all?
REVOLUTION