One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

Heads Up

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Lilindian, I'll get some pics up of the chocolope after my lights go out at six, they finish week seven of 12/12 tomorrow. Don't know if it's me or the strain but I'm having a damn hard time getting this plant to look healthy. It's been a gnarled, mottled, clawed plant right from the beginning and I could never seem to make it happy no matter what I did or didn't do. Well it seems to be a moot point, they are flowering away and producing some really nice looking nugs, looks like they should be pretty solid for such a sativa dominant plant.

His scrog is a little out of control in my opinion, like I have any idea of what I speak this being my first scrog attempt. I think he's going to have problems with buds blocking light and maybe the colombian gold buds will need to be supported, it's side branches are very wispy stemmed, any weight and they will want to sag over. My critical+kali mist is growing some nice buds, I would like my next scrog to be an inch or two taller than they are now. I'll also get some pics up of her structure.

Legallyflying, all good suggestions to increase stretch. I try not to encourage stretch myself, my thinking is I don't want four inches between nodes, I would rather tie down or supercrop any branches that are outpacing the others and let the plant decide its node spacing.
 

lilindian

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A couple methods to increase stretch...

1. Raise the light
2. Increase daytime temps
3. Decrease nighttime temps to about 10-12 less than daytime
4. Keep the N high
5. Spray them with liquid light -- not sure if this increases stretch but my plants always seem to grow the most after an application

I saw no difference in stretch between MH and HPS
All good suggestions, well i didn't know about raising day time temps but i'll give it a go, got some serious control over the temp in there now. Don't have access to liquid light. Anyway cheers for that. She's day 10 into flower, the light fuck up was... 2 days ago i think.. this could be a late stretcher i duno! Aren't many chocolate berry grows to refer to. K'nex is still holding strong man, I'm telling u it makes a perfect screen!

Lilindian, I'll get some pics up of the chocolope after my lights go out at six, they finish week seven of 12/12 tomorrow. Don't know if it's me or the strain but I'm having a damn hard time getting this plant to look healthy. It's been a gnarled, mottled, clawed plant right from the beginning and I could never seem to make it happy no matter what I did or didn't do. Well it seems to be a moot point, they are flowering away and producing some really nice looking nugs, looks like they should be pretty solid for such a sativa dominant plant.

His scrog is a little out of control in my opinion, like I have any idea of what I speak this being my first scrog attempt. I think he's going to have problems with buds blocking light and maybe the colombian gold buds will need to be supported, it's side branches are very wispy stemmed, any weight and they will want to sag over. My critical+kali mist is growing some nice buds, I would like my next scrog to be an inch or two taller than they are now. I'll also get some pics up of her structure.

Legallyflying, all good suggestions to increase stretch. I try not to encourage stretch myself, my thinking is I don't want four inches between nodes, I would rather tie down or supercrop any branches that are outpacing the others and let the plant decide its node spacing.
Lookin forward to seeing what u got.

If i let her flower completely naturally and don't use the second screen, all buds will be touching each other i'm sure. Light will struggle to penetrate much of the canopy. If on the other hand i use the second screen and only use 87 branches, each bud will have 2" sq to grow at least. If I'm going for the second screen idea, then i need to maximise stretch, at least for a short period of time. If I'm not gona use the 2nd screen then i probably don't want her to stretch too much as she'll get out of control.... i duno what to do! You seem to be a person who thinks and plans ahead of time, what would u do?

I'm thinking for the next week or so i raise the lights to their maximum height, just to see the difference it'll make. I'll do an update in a min and show u what i'm working with.

Pics are always useful and nice to see, keep em coming
 

lilindian

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  • Gona give her a feed today, this is the plan:

    Half strength veg nutes - Rhizo + Vega
    3/4 strength Flower nutes - Flores + Boost
    3/4 strength top max
    Full strength Silicon +
    Full strength Organic B
    Full strength Molasses

  • Taking Legally's advice i've raised the light up. Don't know how much stretch it'll generate as its still 600W focused on a tiny footprint for that wattage. The Bulb is now sitting 28 inches above the top of the canopy. It can be raised to about 34" but i have to remove some ducting and seal up a hole and i can't be bothered right now. Didn't wire up the fan either, ideally would like to find wiring diagrams of the unit before but doubt i will.

  • General plant condition looks good, the fan controller is working like a dream, got a hell of a lot of control over my temps inside now.

  • If i get time tomorrow i'll build the drainage table system thing, i'm considering using my friend K'nex, might just stick to bog standard guttering and plastic roofing though. See how i feel tmrw.

  • To get these lights off pictures i always wake her up 5-10 mins early. She never quite gets a full 12hrs sleep..







 

lilindian

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10 days...hmmm I think your stretch is going to be about done or at least very soon it will be
But all the other MJ plants i've grown have stretched right through till around day 20-25 of flower, then put all its energy into flower production.... I'm expectin another week - week and a half of growth after she gets properly back on track from the lighting mess i made.

U think this minimal stretch has anything to do with the confinements of my bucket?
 

legallyflying

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That and you have so many tops. It's simply a matter of carb production and assimilation (growth). Your growth is very spread out so obviously it is going to appear less overall. At least that is my take on it anyways.

20 days of stretch? Huh, never really heard or encountered that. My plants all had a one rapid growth period that lasted between 7-10 days. they still grow a more as they are flowering, but not a whole lot more.

Maybe it is the difference in feeding? You have to understand that I am runnning hydro as well so on the day I decide no more nitrogen....They don't get any more nitrogen. Period. No flushing or anything as there isn't anything to flush.. they are just standing in water :)

I have been toying with hitting them with a little bushmaster but man, that stuff is HARSH, and I really don't want to stress them. Stuff works like magic though. Last round, almost NO stretch at all and I had pistols breaking all over the place in 5 days.
 

lilindian

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Could be mate if the roots restricted u would assume that it would restrict the growth on top :-(
Sad times eh! Alrite so if the roots are restricting the growth on top, then that means until i repot her growth will continue to get restricted. By the time the new airpot comes and i've actually bothered to transplant her, the stretch period (whatever it is) will be over, and budding will begin properly. So if the roots do decide to utilise the extra space, then will this show up top with bigger buds? As apose to more stretch if i had transplanted her at the start of flower. Basically what i'm asking is what advantage will a bigger root system give to a plant that has stopped growing in size and only producing flowers.

That and you have so many tops. It's simply a matter of carb production and assimilation (growth). Your growth is very spread out so obviously it is going to appear less overall. At least that is my take on it anyways.

20 days of stretch? Huh, never really heard or encountered that. My plants all had a one rapid growth period that lasted between 7-10 days. they still grow a more as they are flowering, but not a whole lot more.

Maybe it is the difference in feeding? You have to understand that I am runnning hydro as well so on the day I decide no more nitrogen....They don't get any more nitrogen. Period. No flushing or anything as there isn't anything to flush.. they are just standing in water :)

I have been toying with hitting them with a little bushmaster but man, that stuff is HARSH, and I really don't want to stress them. Stuff works like magic though. Last round, almost NO stretch at all and I had pistols breaking all over the place in 5 days.
The thought that the growth is spread out over such an area that i dont notice it as much did definitely cross my mind. She obviously has grown since 12/12 started, but from what i can see this growth has been at pretty much the same speed as during veg! which was already slow.

Sorry i should clarify what i said earlier, not 20 days of stretch, but the plants stretched from some point in first week of 12/12 till some point in the 3rd week of 12/12, at which point budding started properly. If all ur plants finish stretching in the first 2 weeks of 12/12 then it must be due to the accelerated rate of growth hydro provides, i cant see any other reason. I completely see why ppl run hydro, as u've stated u've got so much more control over what gets taken up by the plant and growth is super fast, but i'm all about developing those terpins!

Heard a bit about bushmaster and for the ppl who say it works thats exactly how they describe it, harsh, but works like magic! Don't think i'm gona venture down that alley this grow, maybe in the future.

So whats ur take on repotting in week 3? U think its worth my while? Even if we're talkin a half oz increase in yield if the roots have an extra 20L of soil to utilise, i'll do it.

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang thats still so rad
As long as she's a looker then happy days!
 

lilindian

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K'nex frame for drainage system, will wrap in waterproof roofing material like used on base of cab (black lining). Everything is sloping the right way so should drain correctly.

It has been built in such a way that the whole plant can still slide out without having to take anything off.

RVK had to be taken off as it was making far too much noise on the other end of the intake. The replacement is the 5" inline from the reflector and in that fan's place will go the 4" that is currently spare. Runs silently again. The RVK is the spare fan now. Temp on the thermometer is pretty much exactly the same.







 

Bluezdude

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Not gona lie, i was half following this plan but then lost u, I'm still in need of a good plan on how to repot her so please try and explain this again, i'm all ears
i hope this helps. Not the best handwriting/drawing in the world but you should get the idea
 

Heads Up

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The stretch, it all depends on the strain you are growing. With a sativa dominant plant it could take up to five weeks before it fully transitions from veg to flower. An indica dominant plant the stretch may last only ten days but not in a sativa dominant plant. I personally don't think your plant is going to need your top screen, I just don't think with the number of bud sites you have competing to become the terminal leader, they will grow up that much further. I wouldn't do anything further to your plant other than feed it and see what happens. Just remember, this is all an ongoing experiment and if you've learned something from this grow, apply it to your next grow.

Just being curious Lil, how long have you been growing? Sorry about the pics last night, my lights went out and I forgot. Made a little hash yesterday. I took my jars and put a couple ounces of alcohol in one, shook it for a bit and poured the alcohol into the next jar, etc. etc, until I rinsed them all and then set the liquid on a plate on my t-5 to dry. Got enough hash out of it to last several days.

Edit. Instead of increasing your daytime temps, I would be trying to lower my night time temps. A ten degree difference between your lights on temp and your lights off temp should promote stretching and it's a lot safer than raising your day time temps. Heat is the killer of our hobby. It does all kinds of nasty things to our babies.
 

budbro18

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The stretch, it all depends on the strain you are growing. With a sativa dominant plant it could take up to five weeks before it fully transitions from veg to flower. An indica dominant plant the stretch may last only ten days but not in a sativa dominant plant. I personally don't think your plant is going to need your top screen, I just don't think with the number of bud sites you have competing to become the terminal leader, they will grow up that much further. I wouldn't do anything further to your plant other than feed it and see what happens. Just remember, this is all an ongoing experiment and if you've learned something from this grow, apply it to your next grow.

Just being curious Lil, how long have you been growing? Sorry about the pics last night, my lights went out and I forgot. Made a little hash yesterday. I took my jars and put a couple ounces of alcohol in one, shook it for a bit and poured the alcohol into the next jar, etc. etc, until I rinsed them all and then set the liquid on a plate on my t-5 to dry. Got enough hash out of it to last several days.

Edit. Instead of increasing your daytime temps, I would be trying to lower my night time temps. A ten degree difference between your lights on temp and your lights off temp should promote stretching and it's a lot safer than raising your day time temps. Heat is the killer of our hobby. It does all kinds of nasty things to our babies.
You should have used 4-6 shots of 151 or even 90 proof vodka and done the same thing except not evaporated.
take one shot a day and youre good.

i used the kief from 2 of my friends jars and 2 shots of 151, splash of mountain dew and i hardly remember the night.

didnt get drunk but the mix of about 100 different types of kush's trichs combined into a drink made a zombie.
 

lilindian

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nice work lillian mate very nice work that is defo up for most inative invention in growing..
Cheers Kev, hows ur large lady coming along? Would've loved to see u try this grow in a waterfarm, u'd end up with a full blown tree!

i hope this helps. Not the best handwriting/drawing in the world but you should get the idea
Very much appreciated man, i get u now. Could definitely work. The only problem i have is removing the base from the blue bucket without the whole plant falling through. Obviously it wont due to the screen holding the plant up and the root mass ect, but it'll put a lot of strain on the plant which i want to avoid. I might build a temporary base out of Knex that will support the bottom of the plant and at the same time allow the roots to grow through it. So when i put the air pot on, i can leave the K'nex thing there and pack soil all around it. Will take up like 5% of the space so wont be losing out on any area. Anyway its arriving on tuesday so got a couple days to plan it out. But yeh ur plan sounds good with a few tweaks.

The stretch, it all depends on the strain you are growing. With a sativa dominant plant it could take up to five weeks before it fully transitions from veg to flower. An indica dominant plant the stretch may last only ten days but not in a sativa dominant plant. I personally don't think your plant is going to need your top screen, I just don't think with the number of bud sites you have competing to become the terminal leader, they will grow up that much further. I wouldn't do anything further to your plant other than feed it and see what happens. Just remember, this is all an ongoing experiment and if you've learned something from this grow, apply it to your next grow.

Just being curious Lil, how long have you been growing? Sorry about the pics last night, my lights went out and I forgot. Made a little hash yesterday. I took my jars and put a couple ounces of alcohol in one, shook it for a bit and poured the alcohol into the next jar, etc. etc, until I rinsed them all and then set the liquid on a plate on my t-5 to dry. Got enough hash out of it to last several days.

Edit. Instead of increasing your daytime temps, I would be trying to lower my night time temps. A ten degree difference between your lights on temp and your lights off temp should promote stretching and it's a lot safer than raising your day time temps. Heat is the killer of our hobby. It does all kinds of nasty things to our babies.
I was well aware stretch was strain dependent but didn't know a sativa dominant plant could take up to five weeks! Rarely hear of someones plants taking that long to begin flowering properly. I'm slowly realising i wont need this second screen, everyday my hope is fading a little more as i continue to see minimal stretch! Thing is though, say ive got 100 branches, and each branch stretches like 3 inches up in the first 2 weeks, thats 300" of growth in a fortnight! Which is quite a lot for one plant. When i put it like that, it almost seems hugely unrealistic to hope it would've reached my second screen. Fuck it, this is what a first scrog is all about! As you said i will now use this knowledge towards my next scrog which hopefully will be even better.

I've moved the lights up and will continue to feed with no extra training now. I can't lower the night time temps by 10 degrees! In fact, the way things are currently working, the night time temperature (lights off) is actually warmer than the lights on temp, due to the unusually warm october days we're having here at the moment.

Also that chocolope looks MINT, real nice scrog, they don't seem to be too high yielding tho, am i right? Still a couple weeks to pack on a little more weight tho..

This is only my 3rd grow, or 5th plant. Here's a couple pics of the rest to show u just how alien a grow i'm doing...

2 super lemon haze's grown completely naturally from seed, no training, 5 week veg





Barney's Farm Blue Cheese + Medical Seeds Sour Diesel - LST'd and topped once





And now this one!

I'm a big big big fan of hash, in fact the best stuff i ever smoked was sticky black with a nice gold seal on it, overly expensive but worth every penny. Damn i miss my hash!

You should have used 4-6 shots of 151 or even 90 proof vodka and done the same thing except not evaporated.
take one shot a day and youre good.

i used the kief from 2 of my friends jars and 2 shots of 151, splash of mountain dew and i hardly remember the night.

didnt get drunk but the mix of about 100 different types of kush's trichs combined into a drink made a zombie.
Sounds nuts! Closest i've got to that is having a blunt filled with about 10 different strains straight from amsterdam, hash and skunk mix, can't remember if i finished it or not, says it all really! I remember the night clearly all the way up until rolling it
 

Bluezdude

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The only problem i have is removing the base from the blue bucket without the whole plant falling through.
The way I was thinking about it is that you can slide the bottom of the airpot between the bottom of the bucket and the rest of it. Should work (in theory :P)
 

lilindian

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The air pot is taller than the current bucket, i might just cut it to the same height so i'm only utilising the extra width, would make things so much easier. Hopefully it'll put out more secondary roots using all the air holes so i'm still gainin the advantages of the pot. Then ur method would work perfectly
 
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