One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

Tried to hook up the extractor to the controller, yes it worked, but again did not run silently like the RVK does. So i put things back to the way it was.









 
You have an interesting technique. Is that an erector set or something?

Your leaves look a bit yellow this early in flower. Maybe it's the photos?
 
Lilindian, you do know you can make your own hash from your trim leaves? There are several different methods you can try. You can dry your bud and use a silkscreen to 'sieve' your hash. You can use ice, water and bubble bags. There's the gumby method and you can also try the dry ice method. I've tried them all including rinsing my jars with iso alcohol and letting it dry off and then scraping the plate to get a bit of hash.

Do you know what supercropping is? You could have supercropped the main stems of those super lemon hazes and kept their height a little more under control while also giving the side branching a little more vertical growth.

I'm not trying to pick apart what you are doing just trying to share a bit of my experience at growing with you. As long as you learn from what you do it's all good.
 
Heads Up said:
Lilindian, you do know you can make your own hash from your trim leaves? There are several different methods you can try. You can dry your bud and use a silkscreen to 'sieve' your hash. You can use ice, water and bubble bags. There's the gumby method and you can also try the dry ice method. I've tried them all including rinsing my jars with iso alcohol and letting it dry off and then scraping the plate to get a bit of hash.

Do you know what supercropping is? You could have supercropped the main stems of those super lemon hazes and kept their height a little more under control while also giving the side branching a little more vertical growth.

I'm not trying to pick apart what you are doing just trying to share a bit of my experience at growing with you. As long as you learn from what you do it's all good.
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So are you saying he would have done better to chop the main stem and let the surrounding branches grow under a single barrier like a more conventional scrog?

I think his height control is probably the strongest thing about his unusual methods.
 
AWnox said:
She's looking more and more grown up sir, keep it up. Has she started to smell yet?
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Not yet, i'll try and get some close ups of the early budding for you

lordjin said:
You have an interesting technique. Is that an erector set or something?

Your leaves look a bit yellow this early in flower. Maybe it's the photos?
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Thanks for stoppin by man. Erector set? Its K'nex! Kids construction toy.

Just had a look at her today and her leaves are definitely getting yellower, its mainly the veins of some of the big fan leaves. This problem is only evident on the fan leaves above the screen, and not below the screen. I've decided to give her a full on flush instead of feeding her next time round. I want the soil to dry out before i do it so will do it in 2 days, the yellowing is happening so slowly so i'm hoping she'll be cool till then. Will be my first flush all grow. After the flush i'm gona cut out the veg nutes and feed her flower from then on... i think... we'll see how she reacts to the flush first.

I'll get u some close ups in todays update. Gona keep up this daily update for 1 more week, then its goin back to the weekly ones.

Heads Up said:
Lilindian, you do know you can make your own hash from your trim leaves? There are several different methods you can try. You can dry your bud and use a silkscreen to 'sieve' your hash. You can use ice, water and bubble bags. There's the gumby method and you can also try the dry ice method. I've tried them all including rinsing my jars with iso alcohol and letting it dry off and then scraping the plate to get a bit of hash.

Do you know what supercropping is? You could have supercropped the main stems of those super lemon hazes and kept their height a little more under control while also giving the side branching a little more vertical growth.

I'm not trying to pick apart what you are doing just trying to share a bit of my experience at growing with you. As long as you learn from what you do it's all good.
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Yeh i made some hash off my last harvest, beautiful stuff, obviously gona do the same with this one. I bought a 5 gallon 5 set bubble bag thing, wana try a different method this time, we''l see.

I do also know of super cropping, the SLH was my first grow so i wanted to keep things simple, start off slow. Thats why i let them grow completely naturally. The next grow i did i super cropped 1 branch on each just to see its effects, neither ever healed properly so i must've done something wrong.

Ur opinions are more than welcome man dont wrry! I've learnt plenty each grow and try and apply things ive learnt to the following grow.

lordjin said:
I think his height control is probably the strongest thing about his unusual methods.
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I agree, still havn't seen a scrog this close to the pot
 
  • Much like my last grow, for some reason i'm getting yellowing in the big fan leaves starting very early on in flower, something i was so keep to avoid! I'm not 100% sure on the cause but a flush has always got things back on track so will give her x3 water tomorrow or day after, depending on her condition this time tmrw. Would like to wait for the soil to properly dry out before flushing.

    She's meant to like a low nute regime and i havn't exactly been doing that so its half expected. It's early in flower and much more foliage will still grow so i'm not really too concerned. She's still growing nicely.











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Right so yeh, flush tomorrow or tuesday, unless anyone here thinks it should be a matter of urgency for some reason.
 
lilindian said:
Thanks for stoppin by man. Erector set? Its K'nex! Kids construction toy.

Just had a look at her today and her leaves are definitely getting yellower, its mainly the veins of some of the big fan leaves. This problem is only evident on the fan leaves above the screen, and not below the screen. I've decided to give her a full on flush instead of feeding her next time round. I want the soil to dry out before i do it so will do it in 2 days, the yellowing is happening so slowly so i'm hoping she'll be cool till then. Will be my first flush all grow. After the flush i'm gona cut out the veg nutes and feed her flower from then on... i think... we'll see how she reacts to the flush first.

I'll get u some close ups in todays update. Gona keep up this daily update for 1 more week, then its goin back to the weekly ones.

I agree, still havn't seen a scrog this close to the pot
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Yeah, I think 'erector set' is a generic term for kids' construction toys in general. I love the idea. You can customize any shape you want. Cool.

As to your leaf yellowing, and how it's above and not below the screen, I'm thinking it's just a basic matter of the plant having a bit more difficulty drawing the nutes through the barrier against which it is trained rather extremely. This is my first time scrogging, as I was a 'screenless scrogger' prior. I used to just lay 'em down with string and duct tape, but have finally incorporated an actual metal cage barrier. Doing it without and now with an actual barrier has shown me some interesting things. The severity of the stress in the LST is def greater against a hard body trellis. I saw a reduced growth rate / vigor due to this. So the plants are def working harder straining against a hard barrier like that. Have you given any thoughts to supplementing a light feeding with Botanicare Calmag? That might help ease the stress a bit.

But, yeah. You do keep it rather low that way. Bravo.

Edit:
Regarding your newest photo update. You have great canopy health. Gosh if it were just a tad greener, it would be fuckin' perfect.
 
lordjin said:
Yeah, I think 'erector set' is a generic term for kids' construction toys in general. I love the idea. You can customize any shape you want. Cool.

As to your leaf yellowing, and how it's above and not below the screen, I'm thinking it's just a basic matter of the plant having a bit more difficulty drawing the nutes through the barrier against which it is trained rather extremely. This is my first time scrogging, as I was a 'screenless scrogger' prior. I used to just lay 'em down with string and duct tape, but have finally incorporated an actual metal cage barrier. Doing it without and now with an actual barrier has shown me some interesting things. The severity of the stress in the LST is def greater against a hard body trellis. I saw a reduced growth rate / vigor due to this. So the plants are def working harder being hog-tied like that. Have you given any thoughts to supplementing a light feeding with Botanicare Calmag? That might help ease the stress a bit.

But, yeah. You do keep it rather low that way. Bravo.
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I see, learn something new every day! Yeh as i keep saying it really is the perfect thing to make a screen out of, in veg if you need to change the size or shape like i frequently did, its really really easy to do so.

You could be right about the plant finding it difficult to get the nutes up to the top of each branch, however, 90% of most these branches are running horizontal, therefore surely it would be easier for the plant to transport everything around as its not even working against gravity like it normally would be. Some seem to be yellowing faster and more than other branches which i find odd...

I agree about the screened scrog and screenless scrog stresses. My scrog i find is in the middle, i'm not stressed her out anywhere near as much as she'd be if she was under a screen, but definately more than if i just tied her down like my last grow. I've got some calmag i used once in my last grow for some reason, will try and track down why i needed it but yeh, i mite mix in 1/4 strength calmag for the light feeding after the flush.

Cheers for the advice
 
lordjin said:
Regarding your newest photo update. You have great canopy health. Gosh if it were just a tad greener, it would be fuckin' perfect.
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You think? I'm thinkin it looks a bit unhealthy! Up till this week it had been PERFECT. The more i look at it the more yellowing i see and the more i think i should flush sooner rather than later!
 
HobbyGrower72 said:
perhaps an N def or lockout of some sort? what's your pH, EC.

mj plants will benefit from a shot of N in early flower.
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Can't be a N def surely, i've been feeding her quite high doses of N in the form of veg foods for the first 2 weeks of flower. I'm thinking its a lock out of some sort, maybe even a N lockout.... Last feeding i mixed more nutes together than ever before, i'm thinking something doesn't quite work together in the combination of nutes i mixed up. I don't measure EC or PH


Cheers for the suggestion though
 
lilindian said:
You think? I'm thinkin it looks a bit unhealthy! Up till this week it had been PERFECT. The more i look at it the more yellowing i see and the more i think i should flush sooner rather than later!
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See HobbyGrower72's comment. I agree with it. Calmag.

No, your tops are strong, bro. They're yellow, but they're not sick.

Edit in light of your response to him:
Okay. Flush it. But but be aware that it could also be an overabundance of something else (not N) in your feed mixture that's causing an inability to process the N that is present.

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Oh, measure ec and ph. Especially important if you're stressing your plants with aggressive training. An out of balance ph can cause nute lock as well.
 
without knowing pH it's hard to say with certainty, but i'm reasonably sure your pH is either too high or too low and the high shots of N aren't going to help if the plant can't access it.
 
lordjin said:
See HobbyGrower72's comment. I agree with it. Calmag.

No, your tops are strong, bro. They're yellow, but they're not sick.

Edit in light of your response to him:
Okay. Flush it.
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Yeh actually thats true, the tops are healthy, its just a small percentage of the surrounding fan leaves. Gona try and get my drainage system all sorted for tomorrow so i can flush her then. I'll hit her with a touch of flower nutes, molasses and calmag after, maybe half strength, see how she reacts. Bet u anything the lower leaves underneath the screen will then begin yellowing.

PH meter will be my next investment
 
HobbyGrower72 said:
without knowing pH it's hard to say with certainty, but i'm reasonably sure your pH is either too high or too low and the high shots of N aren't going to help if the plant can't access it.
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I agree, hence the flush hopefully tomorrow. Question now is what exactly to feed her after the flush... Do i go with what i've said above or add a bit of N back into the mix?
 
I would add a little N in to the mix. With the pH meter you'll be able to control the range and she'll start absorbing that N. Everything else looks great. Can't wait to see her in full bloom!

it's easy to forget you're growing in an airpot inside the blue container.
 
HobbyGrower72 said:
I would add a little N in to the mix. With the pH meter you'll be able to control the range and she'll start absorbing that N. Everything else looks great. Can't wait to see her in full bloom!

it's easy to forget you're growing in an airpot inside the blue container.
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Aight consider it done. Can't wait either, she should be looking and smelling delicious in no time now.

I'm not in an air pot anymore! i transplanted really early on in veg, took it out the air pot and into the big blue bucket
 
I doubt it's ph. Nitrogen has a very wide ph range. If you made me guess I would say a root issue.

If I were you, I would circumvent potential problems with roots, ph, soil imbalance, etc. and just give it a good foliar feed
 
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