Opinion on botanicare nutes?

Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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swedsteven said:
I just order all that

Down To Earth Alfalfa Meal 2-1-1 5lbs
Down To Earth Crab Meal 4-3-0 5lbs
Down To Earth Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0 6lbs
Down To Earth Kelp Meal 2-0-1 5lbs
Down To Earth Langbeinite Sul-Po-Mag 0-0-22 5lbs
Down to Earth Oyster Shell 6lbs
Neem cake 3kg
Whish me luck
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You got this friend!
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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in promix=
in flower
to liquid botanicare pure blend= equal yield

I dont use salt ferts but when I did they were in flood/drain systems. In veg my dutch master line
made larger plants faster than any organic feed I've used.

If flowered at the same size next to each other my pro mix Organicare dry ferts compared to DM liquid/flood/drain were
equal yields. then I packed away my hydro love
I never cared about yields as much as variety and quality but cant help noticing of course.
 
kingzt

kingzt

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chemphlegm said:
in promix=
in flower
to liquid botanicare pure blend= equal yield

I dont use salt ferts but when I did they were in flood/drain systems. In veg my dutch master line
made larger plants faster than any organic feed I've used.

If flowered at the same size next to each other my pro mix Organicare dry ferts compared to DM liquid/flood/drain were
equal yields. then I packed away my hydro love
I never cared about yields as much as variety and quality but cant help noticing of course.
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I agree with you and thank you for the timely response. Quality>Quantity any day. After reading some of your posts I was just curious because I want to set up something that simple but I don't want to go backwards. Any time I try something new or different style I take a step back. My best quality and yields came from a soilless mix, like promix, and house and garden nutes. I am experimenting with pure blend pro since they're more naturally derived.

Do you think that using the promix with dry amendments allow your plants to uptake nutrients faster than lets say if you were to use a soil instead?
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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kingzt said:
I agree with you and thank you for the timely response. Quality>Quantity any day. After reading some of your posts I was just curious because I want to set up something that simple but I don't want to go backwards. Any time I try something new or different style I take a step back. My best quality and yields came from a soilless mix, like promix, and house and garden nutes. I am experimenting with pure blend pro since they're more naturally derived.

Do you think that using the promix with dry amendments allow your plants to uptake nutrients faster than lets say if you were to use a soil instead?
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I wouldnt use "soil" indoors but nutrients uptake at the rate the plant needs them too in an organic style grow. We build the substrate and the plant already knows what to do. I sooo agree with what you're saying about going backwards. I have rafters full of nice equipment, spare hoods, reflectors, ballast, trays, pumps, systems, gimmicks, maybe all of them. I now grow in five gallon bucket with a few handfuls of bagged organicare ferts and water. money was no object in my quest, but my quest was not for the biggest fastest but rather for the easiest-for me. hydro was sterile and loved and expensive and fast in veg and complicated with a perpetual harvested 25 flower flower room/7 reservoirs etc. actually burned up one wet/dry vac in three years. floods were inevitable, power outtages killed plants and plans, nutrient snafus suffered plants quickly. the water disposal was troublesome for me seasonally. I settled on my system as the very best I can do compared to everything else Ive done.

I'd say if you were not happy with your pro mix / house and garden you may not be happy with any other brand of nutrients in pro mix either, at least organic style ones. Do a side by side same strain same pro mix same light etc with h&g and one with pure blend, both should be supreme, were when I did. I use the dry because I'm addicted, but truthfully might change up to the pure blend only for the chicken shit dust breathing save.
 
kingzt

kingzt

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chemphlegm said:
I wouldnt use "soil" indoors but nutrients uptake at the rate the plant needs them too in an organic style grow. We build the substrate and the plant already knows what to do. I sooo agree with what you're saying about going backwards. I have rafters full of nice equipment, spare hoods, reflectors, ballast, trays, pumps, systems, gimmicks, maybe all of them. I now grow in five gallon bucket with a few handfuls of bagged organicare ferts and water. money was no object in my quest, but my quest was not for the biggest fastest but rather for the easiest-for me. hydro was sterile and loved and expensive and fast in veg and complicated with a perpetual harvested 25 flower flower room/7 reservoirs etc. actually burned up one wet/dry vac in three years. floods were inevitable, power outtages killed plants and plans, nutrient snafus suffered plants quickly. the water disposal was troublesome for me seasonally. I settled on my system as the very best I can do compared to everything else Ive done.

I'd say if you were not happy with your pro mix / house and garden you may not be happy with any other brand of nutrients in pro mix either, at least organic style ones. Do a side by side same strain same pro mix same light etc with h&g and one with pure blend, both should be supreme, were when I did. I use the dry because I'm addicted, but truthfully might change up to the pure blend only for the chicken shit dust breathing save.
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What's your opinion on coco? I was thinking of dong a coco pure blend pro run. I tried coco a couple times but I ran into some root issues. When things were going right the growth was outstanding, even more prolific than in any other soilless medium.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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kingzt said:
What's your opinion on coco? I was thinking of dong a coco pure blend pro run. I tried coco a couple times but I ran into some root issues. When things were going right the growth was outstanding, even more prolific than in any other soilless medium.
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fuck coco thats my opinion on coco:P
 
boilingoil

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kingzt said:
What's your opinion on coco? I was thinking of dong a coco pure blend pro run. I tried coco a couple times but I ran into some root issues. When things were going right the growth was outstanding, even more prolific than in any other soilless medium.
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Coco is all I run now indoors. What's not to like about coir? It's natural pH is more attuned to what the plants needs are, a lot more than a peat based product that needs amended with lime to bring the pH into a range the plants need. My coir cost the same as a pro-mix base medium but I can recycle it a lot more times than I can a peat based product.
 
kingzt

kingzt

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Yeah some either hate it or love it. When I used it I wasn't expecting the growth that came along with it. I also never experienced bugs before I used coco. Damn gnats and root aphids got me when I used it.
 
kingzt

kingzt

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Do ec meters have a hard time reading pure blend pro? I use a shot ton of it to get it whete I need. My reservoir is 25 gallons and it takes 50mL to get to ~1.10.
 
boilingoil

boilingoil

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They recommend 20 ml a gallon so that should be 500 ml for 25 gallons. When I ran it I never used over 10 ml per gallon. So half a liter for 25 gallons could get quite expensive. Where I buy mine it cost $21.00 a quart and at their recommended strength would only make 50 gallons of nutrient solution. Where as I get 200 gallons of mix with my nutrient at the same cost
 
kingzt

kingzt

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boilingoil said:
They recommend 20 ml a gallon so that should be 500 ml for 25 gallons. When I ran it I never used over 10 ml per gallon. So half a liter for 25 gallons could get quite expensive. Where I buy mine it cost $21.00 a quart and at their recommended strength would only make 50 gallons of nutrient solution. Where as I get 200 gallons of mix with my nutrient at the same cost
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What nutes do you use?
 
thumper60

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boilingoil said:
They recommend 20 ml a gallon so that should be 500 ml for 25 gallons. When I ran it I never used over 10 ml per gallon. So half a liter for 25 gallons could get quite expensive. Where I buy mine it cost $21.00 a quart and at their recommended strength would only make 50 gallons of nutrient solution. Where as I get 200 gallons of mix with my nutrient at the same cost
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gotta buy that pro blend in 5 gal tubs,i pay 32$ a gal I use 50ml per 5 gal every watering never skip.i run promix also
 
kingzt

kingzt

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chemphlegm said:
I wouldnt use "soil" indoors but nutrients uptake at the rate the plant needs them too in an organic style grow. We build the substrate and the plant already knows what to do. I sooo agree with what you're saying about going backwards. I have rafters full of nice equipment, spare hoods, reflectors, ballast, trays, pumps, systems, gimmicks, maybe all of them. I now grow in five gallon bucket with a few handfuls of bagged organicare ferts and water. money was no object in my quest, but my quest was not for the biggest fastest but rather for the easiest-for me. hydro was sterile and loved and expensive and fast in veg and complicated with a perpetual harvested 25 flower flower room/7 reservoirs etc. actually burned up one wet/dry vac in three years. floods were inevitable, power outtages killed plants and plans, nutrient snafus suffered plants quickly. the water disposal was troublesome for me seasonally. I settled on my system as the very best I can do compared to everything else Ive done.

I'd say if you were not happy with your pro mix / house and garden you may not be happy with any other brand of nutrients in pro mix either, at least organic style ones. Do a side by side same strain same pro mix same light etc with h&g and one with pure blend, both should be supreme, were when I did. I use the dry because I'm addicted, but truthfully might change up to the pure blend only for the chicken shit dust breathing save.
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Why wouldn't you use soil indoors? Also wouldn't your method of topdressing the organicare on promix be considered a soil since you amending a blank medium?
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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kingzt said:
Why wouldn't you use soil indoors? Also wouldn't your method of topdressing the organicare on promix be considered a soil since you amending a blank medium?
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I've grown in a bag of "soil" and it just didnt drain well enough for my liking. I saw slower development too without loosening the soil with some perlite or sim. pro mi is light, cheap and ticks all my boxes here.

I've grown in other substrates that needed amending like a sponge, a mat, styrofoam.....blank medium all being amended=not soil.

but yeah, I call it dirt like you anyways, FTW
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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chemphlegm said:
I've grown in a bag of "soil" and it just didnt drain well enough for my liking. I saw slower development too without loosening the soil with some perlite or sim. pro mi is light, cheap and ticks all my boxes here.

I've grown in other substrates that needed amending like a sponge, a mat, styrofoam.....blank medium all being amended=not soil.

but yeah, I call it dirt like you anyways, FTW
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It's just different paths to the same end. You add nutrients either liquid or solid to promix to meet the plants needs.

And I for instance use amended soil mix like Ocean Forest and add only perlite. This drains well and feeds the plants for 5-6 weeks through transplants in veg and for a couple weeks in flower then I add liquid nutrients.

It's still all potting mix. there is no "soil" in bags of potting mix. Maybe worm castings.
 
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