Overwhelming?

So I was cruising through trip reports of different kinds because this summer I'll be home, taking one class for a short time, and have be house sitting which opens up a number of opportunities (if ya know what I mean.) Anywho, I started reading reports that related to taking above average doses and they kept mentioning how o/cev would be overwhelming. This leads me to two questions:

One - What do you consider overwhelming? I.e. like when you're drunk and feel the room spinning? Insight is appreciated (if I can figure out how to give rep and not just likes kudos for good comments.)

Two - is there a listing/table/somewhere that tells you the average dose/maximum dose? I feel this is something that should have been done. If not it is something that would help noobies (me =D ) and those who are experimenting.

Reason for bringing up the second question is because I want to keep widening my eyes and want a reference/recommendations for what is eye-opening yet still safe.

What the fuck are talking about?

Basically when would you say a trip is overwhelming and how would you describe it.

Most of the time i can pick up on the obscure drug that someone is talking about (i haven't played with many and readily admit im a noob) but i came out of that not understanding one iota of what drug you were referring to.

drugs i could help you with: shrooms mdma dxm lsd
drugs i couldn't help you with: 2c-e, K, dmt, other various chems

i just really couldn't tell what you were referring to.

Not any particular drug, more of drugs in general.

Everyone is different... I learned that tonight when my friend took 4 hits of acid and felt nothing.
When just 2 weeks ago I did 2 hits of the same shit and was TRIPPPPING.

It gets overwhelming when your head falls of your shoulders... when your mind can't keep up with the speeding thoughts you have, in which most you can't control.
When you mood switches gears without warning. Shrooomsss mess with my emotions the most.

Karmapuff said:

Everyone is different... I learned that tonight when my friend took 4 hits of acid and felt nothing.
When just 2 weeks ago I did 2 hits of the same shit and was TRIPPPPING.

It gets overwhelming when your head falls of your shoulders... when your mind can't keep up with the speeding thoughts you have, in which most you can't control.
When you mood switches gears without warning. Shrooomsss mess with my emotions the most.

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^that's what I'm looking for. I took two hits of acid along with my friend and didn't feel anything until I smoked but he was in another galaxy after an hour or so. Which is sort of why I to get a feel of what the average amount is for the more popular drugs (mdma, dmt, lsd, 2c(whatever), shrooms, etc.) So that when someone is wanting to try something new and knows that they have a higher tolerance they can go the normal amount is x so I should probably start at y. Or if someone wants to try a big dose they know the max they should take is x instead of estimating and overdosing at y.

Honestly in my experience its always better to just start at X. Everyones brain chemistry is different and just because your tolerant so some chemicals doesnt mean you are to others. Always be safe, and always start with a normal amount. Up the dosage once you pace yourself, properly gauge it, and go for round two. If it may be a different batch of stuff, reset to a normal dose, different batches can bear different potency.

Sr. Verde said:

What the fuck are talking about?

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Dude. My thoughts exactly. My legs hundled in laughter, is that even possible

But I have a fore glimpse of what your trying to convey. And to be honest, there is not one exact answer. For one can be overwhelmed and the other passenger can be underwhelmed. Individual preferences all come into play

Sr. Verde said:

What the fuck are talking about?

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Thats nothing more than the pro`s poking fun at the newbs. You must know what he means!

I`m a newb too but overwhelming is a bit difficult to define. Some people get overwhelmed by emotion very easily etc.. We all have different buttons... Guessing it depends on your personality. I`m thinking its extreme ego loss for some whereas its suddenly realising how much out of control they are for others. But the fear of "out of control" depends on the physical world around.

Experiences of good/bad occur, but the freakout bad-trip`s occur when the user internally admits to himself he is out of control, tries to take control and most importantly tries to take control without faith that he actually can take control (if that makes sense). In general experience and even with cannabis experiences, once you say "wow this shits strong" or "this shit is really beginning to take hold" (old days ) it does every single time. Its such a reverse psychology; say its weak and its weaker, say its strong and its stronger, focus on the time and its longer, engage in conversation and its shorter etc.. When I say "say it is", by that I imply belief as you say it.

Indecision fucks things up pretty quickly by leading to contracicting thoughts too, better to just chose one and think later sometimes, lol I try and apply all of what I put above but it sometimes gets me by the pupu too

Its got a lot to do with self confidence I think. If you try and make the experience comfortable you have to have confidence in what you say and think. As in the internal dialog, "I`m going insane!!!", the following internal answer "Nah, its really not possible and you know that" has to be said confidently and your thought pattern must be changed straight after. The inability to do so leads to an overwhelming experience.

Speaking without being sure, this might apply for not too strong experiences, thoughts from noobland! I`m not sure if my DMT vape could be taken control of this easily, its more of the subconcious that matters at those stages I guess. But hold on, subconcious is a build up of common patterns of concious right? Hmmmmmm

Or you have uncomfortable deep issues or a heavy history which you normally escape from and you get fucked up when it comes to the surface in a trip...

This is too much of a vague question so this answer is a bit too general! It has to be really...

For some of US it is ALL about what you define as "overwhelmed' as that is where we function best ?
Ask yourself ... Why you take drugs ....?
For shits and giggles ?
Or 2 wonder ?

Where does your mind function best ?
And is it about getting to where your mind functions best .... or is it about challenging your mind to go further ?
Why do you get High ?
Cause you like to laugh ?

If someone tells me that they have tried psychedelics and 'they did not like them' ...
I chuckle, ..... as for me ..... taking psychedelics .... is NO Laughing Matter ... at anytime.

Others like the full body load, highs and giggles ... !
I like to Blow My TOP

Imagine the oev, that kaleidescope of vision but apply it to all the nuance and vividness of emotions rather than vision. Despair, heartbreak, loneliness, embarrassment, frustration, anger, disgust, repulsiveness, doubt, fear, worry, paranoia, regret, longing, bitterness, horror, shame and sadness all pummeling you in various degrees for various amounts of time and repeating in a strange sort of geometric series of reflections - for 10 hours, all the while having been fundamentally disconnected from a normal time stream. That is overwhelming.

canndo said:

Imagine the oev, that kaleidescope of vision but apply it to all the nuance and vividness of emotions rather than vision. Despair, heartbreak, loneliness, embarrassment, frustration, anger, disgust, repulsiveness, doubt, fear, worry, paranoia, regret, longing, bitterness, horror, shame and sadness all pummeling you in various degrees for various amounts of time and repeating in a strange sort of geometric series of reflections - for 10 hours, all the while having been fundamentally disconnected from a normal time steam. That is overwhelming.

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Pretty much, that sounds like your departure with lucy... Would of done the same for me...

Overwhelming is when visual's are so intense you go blind and cant see your hand right before your eyes...

Michael Phelps said:

Overwhelming is when visual's are so intense you go blind and cant see your hand right before your eyes...

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see thats how I was riding my bike through the park last night

but I was having a blast




Obviously the OP hasn't had enough drugs... because I'm sure most experienced users have been overwhelmed at least once...


Everyone has to have a benchmark, and unfortunately theres only one way to do that!

Sr. Verde said:

see thats how I was riding my bike through the park last night

but I was having a blast




Obviously the OP hasn't had enough drugs... because I'm sure most experienced users have been overwhelmed at least once...


Everyone has to have a benchmark, and unfortunately theres only one way to do that!

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Well im glad you enjoyed, im sure it got real crazy at times though haha.. Have you tried eating 3 of those NP's at a time yet? Man it really is a whole new experience..



Agreed, if youve had experience tripping most likely you have hit the breaking point at one time or another.

Michael Phelps said:

Well im glad you enjoyed, im sure it got real crazy at times though haha.. Have you tried eating 3 of those NP's at a time yet? Man it really is a whole new experience..



Agreed, if youve had experience tripping most likely you have hit the breaking point at one time or another.

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Uhhh I don't know if I've eaten 3 NPs at once yet... i had five of the white fluffs before though, that was still verrrry enjoyable..

I had two, a week ago when I was out with a friend riding a bike. It was hot, so i'm glad I only ate two

I ate a sweet tart last night, that a friend gave me. It was wickeeeeed intense and just kept rolling on.. It was more like a spirit journey, very different than the NP, but very enjoyable in the spirit journey sense

hm im not sure that there is such a thing but i have gotten some sick oev's b4. i have been to the point were i thought there was to much to see somewere around 5mg of silver crystal give or take. lucy mixed with 2cp and 2ce and an 1/8th of shrooms was very interesting to say the least. for belated 420 some lucy mixed with doc and 4fa and mxe was rather twisted and came is such strange waves that was yesterday . k would have realy set it off i think

5mg silver xtal

..... Your talking L in crystal form? :O give me some of that

ndangerspecimen101 said:

Dude. My thoughts exactly. My legs hundled in laughter, is that even possible

But I have a fore glimpse of what your trying to convey. And to be honest, there is not one exact answer. For one can be overwhelmed and the other passenger can be underwhelmed. Individual preferences all come into play

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......hundled?