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Sativied said:
You just made my travel withdrawal worse by mentioning Australia.
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I spent 2 bizarre weeks in NL. Started out we flew from Sydney to Japan, and than I ask then g/f, how to get to Amsterdam from Japan. USSR was a thing then. Next stop Anchorage Alaska, then over the North Pole on a beautiful clear sunny "night" and into Schipol. Flying Japan airlines, I drank a bottle of Sake between Alaska and Amsterdam. Picked up at airport and a few dutch joints later, 2 weeks had passed, I was in love and on a train to Southern Germany with a yummy foreign student I met. Ended up in Istanbul! That's not half of it. The Humaniversity at Egmond aan Zee, now that was a trip.
 
TacoMac said:
This worries me.

What if the longer you carry it, the more it mutates and the stronger it gets?

It's a scary thought.
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That is what bugged me about the people I tried to convince about taking it seriously. First they did not seem to understand exponential growth. The saying that it has a 99.98% survival rate, then it will mutate to a less harmful form, then if people get it it will not reinfect them. All bassed off of the Tooth Fairy. (sorry Tooth Fairy)
 
this is why Schuylaar would rather stay home and wait until a year or so. i'm too sensitive and anything can happen. they said no one has died from vaccine but there was that doctor with thrombocytopenia who bled out. if you have any kind of low platelet situation?
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Officials Investigate Physician's Death After COVID Vaccination

Onset of rare blood disorder should not be interpreted as causal, experts say
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i'm not saying don't get a vaccine..everyone who wants one should be able to get one- they called me again YESTERDAY to remind me. first challenge must be met everyone who wants one; gets one because i'm boycotting but i already know there's a possibility with my medical history that i've become sensitive to vaccine and medications- Shingrex was a nightmare 1st shot of 2. Another medication gave me 'death rash' a few short weeks ago.

You must be the ultimate decision maker of YOU.

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Yande said:
I spent 2 bizarre weeks in NL. Started out we flew from Sydney to Japan, and than I ask then g/f, how to get to Amsterdam from Japan. USSR was a thing then. Next stop Anchorage Alaska, then over the North Pole on a beautiful clear sunny "night" and into Schipol. Flying Japan airlines, I drank a bottle of Sake between Alaska and Amsterdam. Picked up at airport and a few dutch joints later, 2 weeks had passed, I was in love and on a train to Southern Germany with a yummy foreign student I met. Ended up in Istanbul! That's not half of it. The Humaniversity at Egmond aan Zee, now that was a trip.
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no question about, it was the sake..that shit's right up there with tequila. :shock:
 
Long covid has been my main concern since early on, the media seemed to ignore these reports for the most part until recently. The media seemed to go with the assumption that if it didn't kill you, you would recover and you would be immune to it after. Anyone that closely followed covid coverage from around the world from early on could see the flashing red lights and hear the sirens warning that this thing was not like the flu and that recovery and immunity was not a given. Seems like every time I saw a scientist sound a alarm early on they were marginalized as over reacting or fear mongering. I think many governments pressured scientists to not scare the public with their concerns unless they had absolute proof. This left the anti vaccine and hoax psychos with the loudest voices in the media and led to our current situation of denial among so many. At best this will be with us for years and vaccines and other treatments will lessen the death and chronic illness. At worse this thing will continue to mutate and become more deadly and infectious and immunity will be short lived. They need to get serious about travel and mandate serious quarantine for anyone crossing borders. Unless they come up with some huge breakthrough in treatment or prevention things are still going downhill.
 
I think the covid maiming issue will become more prominent in the media when people are vaccinated and the pandemic is brought under limited control in industrialized nations. As for now the focus is on vaccine roll out, cause folks need some good news too and Joe is providing it.

When we talk about long haulers the vast majority of them have damage from the infection and this is spectral, ranging from the barely perceptible to the life altering, many are re admitted to hospital, but the virus is cleared. The second bunch of long haulers are more insidious and dangerous, these are people who never fully clear the virus and become variant factories, it is suspected many variants originate there. Hopefully antiviral treatments and vaccines will help there too. The other source of variants will be the global unvaccinated population, which is why it must be a global effort and perhaps include some domestic animals too, but this virus is probably in wild primate species as well by now.

I figure in America most adults who want it or are required to have a vaccine should be covered by the end of June. 37 -40% of the US adult population have had at least one shot and most of the elderly, the impact on hospitalization demographics lately is making an impression, they are younger and unvaccinated.

This will be an issue moving forward, but apparently tweaking an existing vaccine is a lot quicker process than starting from scratch, perhaps boosters will be required. Also there are new therapeutics coming online, antivirals and newer more effective antibodies that are not affected by variants much if at all. We have several vaccines in less than than year that are in the 90% efficacy range and several antibody treatments, that is astounding in of itself.
 
captainmorgan said:
Even some countries that have been very aggressive in vaccinating are reporting record numbers of new infections.
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Only a few countries like Israel and now America have vaccination rates that can prove this, there may be vulnerable people with impaired immune systems showing up. The big numbers are starting to come in, in America as the vaccine roll out continues, there are thousands of studies underway covering every aspect of this disease and I'm sure a few hundred are looking at variant resistance. Often when they design a vaccine or treatment these days, they use a two pronged or multi pronged approach to "trap" the virus evolutionarily and block multiple reproductive paths at once.

The progress we've seen is a result of knowledge and understanding, drugs and even antibodies are "targeted" and existing drugs that might be of use are scanned by AI and candidates selected. Scientists understand how viruses work and and how this one does in particular and use a systematic approach to destroying it. We've only been in this fight with covid for a year and science has gotten a much better handle on the situation and has geared up for battle, research and studies are ongoing and there is much to be optimistic about.

Pandemics will receive as much priority and attention as the military moving forward and not just in America either, lot's of lessons have been learned. This cost America trillions, over 500,000 dead and millions maimed, not many wars damaged America as much.

Trump did the most the most damage though, even before the pandemic he disbanded the pandemic response team and threw the pandemic planning manual in the garbage, while he lied his head off and did everything he could to implead progress in the fight.
 
Ya know, someone is gonna have a hard look at the 600,000 or 700,000 deaths covid will have caused in America when the count is in. They will try to figure out how many would have voted for the republicans and how many would have voted democrat, I wonder what the ratio would be, since many of the victims are elderly and middle aged and they lean republican. Also moving forward with new more virulent variants and a majority of republican men refusing to wear masks, saying they won't get vaccinated and new variants taking them down at younger ages.
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Keep yer fingers crossed on the new variants that might pop up, I suspect this might be true for all the approved vaccines, certainly Moderna's mRNA vaccine. This is prevention folks and that is important for getting back to normal, it will mean 90% of vaccinated people won't get it or spread it and will act as a barrier between those who do and the vulnerable, it means vaccines will stop this thing and it's current crop of known variants. Even those vaccinated who end up with a case (9%), it's a milder illness and likely non fatal.
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Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 shot 91% effective in updated data, protective against South African variant | Reuters

Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 shot 91% effective in updated data, protective against South African variant

(Reuters) - Pfizer Inc and BioNTech said on Thursday their vaccine is around 91% effective at preventing COVID-19, citing updated trial data that included participants inoculated for up to six months.

The shot also showed early signs of preventing disease in a small subset of study volunteers in South Africa, where a concerning new variant called B.1.351 is circulating.

Although lower than the stunning 95% efficacy result reported from its 44,000-person clinical trial in November, overall efficacy of 91.3% shows the vaccine to be a powerful tool against an evolving virus. The virus now has more transmissible forms and those that have been shown to evade antibody protection in lab studies and real-world clinical trials.

“These data reinforce our view that we have some really potent vaccines,” said Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Britain’s Imperial College London, who was not involved in the Pfizer trial.
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Why You Can Be Forced To Get The Covid Vaccine

A large portion of the U.S. population still doesn’t want to get the new Covid vaccine, but they might not have a choice. Powers at the federal and state level, not to mention the legal rights granted to employers under U.S. labor law, may make it impossible for Americans to escape inoculation against the coronavirus.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Ya know, someone is gonna have a hard look at the 600,000 or 700,000 deaths covid will have caused in America when the count is in. They will try to figure out how many would have voted for the republicans and how many would have voted democrat, I wonder what the ratio would be, since many of the victims are elderly and middle aged and they lean republican. Also moving forward with new more virulent variants and a majority of republican men refusing to wear masks, saying they won't get vaccinated and new variants taking them down at younger ages.
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Where do I lay down my bet?

I put the under/over at 1.5 Republicans to Democrats. The ratio is affected by unequal size of each group. Just saying, there are more Democrats and that will drive the ratio down.
 
Fogdog said:
Where do I lay down my bet?

I put the under/over at 1.5 Republicans to Democrats. The ratio is affected by unequal size of each group. Just saying, there are more Democrats and that will drive the ratio down.
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There are a higher % of black and brown folks dying from covid. On average they tend to trend more to the Blue team. But there were a lot of really old folks dying in nursing homes. More white folks there, and prime GOP base material, but do we know how many of them were still voting? I'm sure both sides have teams working out the numbers.
 
injinji said:
There are a higher % of black and brown folks dying from covid. On average they tend to trend more to the Blue team. But there were a lot of really old folks dying in nursing homes. More white folks there, and prime GOP base material, but do we know how many of them were still voting? I'm sure both sides have teams working out the numbers.
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The best anybody can do is an estimate, ya can't poll the dead! With vaccine roll out, new more virulent variants and republican men not wearing masks, engaging in risky behavior and half refusing the vaccine, I would expect the ratio to change. I figure about an 80% uptake in adults by fall and guess who a big part of the 20% unvaccinated will be. Fortunately for them, over time their risk will decrease as more people around them are protected and break the chain of contagion. The new vaccines apparently prevent covid too and that is very important for controlling the spread.

Anyway ya cut it I figure this will take down more republicans than democrats before it's over, the covid experience and the response to it might even make some independents or even democrats among them. Donald did an extraordinarily bad job and Joe an excellent one so far, the contrast in competence is stark.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
. . . . . . . . . . Donald did an extraordinarily bad job and Joe an excellent one so far, the contrast in competence is stark.
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The one thing the USA was number 1 in was covid deaths, and President Joe Rob had to screw it up. Now Brazil had taken our spot away from us.
 
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