Sometimes when talking with someone I will, just for the fun I get from it, take up an opposing position to them on something, even if in reality I am in total agreement with them. I just like to see how good someone might be now and then.
Now and then if someone gets onto the Big Bang and how it is the only way to answer everything, I sometimes like to ask them something just to see how they respond.
I'll say something like how I really do know little about the more detailed bits of the Big Bang (which is true), but if put in the most simple of terms, a void existed, within this void there was dust and gasses and rocks, and everything else that was around at that time, and for whatever reason or reasons the right stuff got together at the right time and combined with great temperature fluctuations and intense pressures, that was when and where 'it' all started, where the "void" began to be filled with all that was being created and expanding outward, that's basically the Big Bang, right?
The normal response would be that more or less, within reason, that would be an acceptable caveman understandable level way to explain the Big Bang.
Then I ask where dust and gasses and rocks, and everything else that was around at that time that all got together came from in the first place. Then I add, and a void existed, allegedly, but be it a void or something else, just call it early space if you want, it, the area, the place where it all began, went on, and is still going on in, it existed. Why? How? Because of what?
The normal, to continue to keep it simple for me, response would be something like, that part is based on any number of theories, though some are believed to be more probable than others, but the general upshot of it all is that we all agree that some shit went down and that's how it all happened.
So I ask, again about the 'stuff' and the 'void' and all, and the keep it simple for the moron who is bugging me with questions, meaning of course me, continues and basically it was all stuff that just sort of somehow 'got there, over time, it gathered.'
I ask about the great pressures and temperature extremes and great amounts of energy, and I get a Sesame Street version how under those extreme conditions there would be large amounts of energy created between the various gasses and elements and dust and rock and extreme temperatures and intense pressures ... but so far no one must have thought I was intelligent enough for even a basic explanation for why all the dust and gasses and elements and rocks, and everything else that was around at that time that then through amazing circumstances created all that energy and temperature extremes and pressure ever existed in the first place, and how it came into existence, let alone the void/area of space/some amount of almost nothingness, whatever you want to call it, existed in the first place for all this inexplicable stuff to be floating around within and then occur within.
It always ends up how the very earliest steps in the Big Bang are strictly theory, some hotly contested and others more accepted, but all no where near proven in it's actual works, though in what would then follow people could most likely get that part right.
That's where I like to joke how, to me anyway, that early inexplicable part, that's the Big Bang theory's leap of faith, so to speak, what, in a way, just makes it a totally different form of religion, in that at it's core it is faith based. It's just another chosen belief (not commenting on actual accuracy here) minus the stylized, ritualized mumbo jumbo that goes with other forms of religion.
Someone could argue until the cows come home how much factual data has been compiled and how it is enough to prove their belief and that it is only a matter of time before enough facts are in so the 'guesstimates' can be weeded out and then the true facts be known to all.
But that is sort of the same cry of the creationism crowd and thereligionists are another, as are the 'Ghostbusters' and psychics etc. .... the proof is out there .... it is only a matter of time before we discover it and learn it's mysteries.
Wouldn't the kicker be that the Big Bang people are right, other than the parts they can't really explain are in fact the actions of some 'all powerful being' and that in a way the Big Bang is the true creationism. That is was a thought out, planned, intended action, but a much slower longer term one than creationists and religionists tell about when they tell the story. But in the end, both sides are correct, at least in principal, that the Big Bang did start everything off, but some 'big guy' supplied the makin's and lit the fuse.
That would be funny ..... both sides arguing and defending their position, when it was in fact the same position, but they just saw it as being different. Now that would be a funny end to it all.
