Plants cupping/canoeing downward at new growth 6 individual dwc buckets

Hello this is my first time posting here, but not exactly first grow. However dwc is new to me and I have 6 buckets atm with many different formulas to try and pin point my prob.. The new growth on the top shoots are really looking weathered, they are basically canoeing downward with a little hook to the tips.. They are also light in color, while the fan leaves appear to be in perfect shape still.. This is happening to the plants located under 200w HID lamp where are on the other side are 3 large cfl's in which the new growth isnt canoeing down but the new growth is still having a bubbly rough texture that isnt healthy.

I assume the canoeing was maybe a light intensity problem or heat so ive moved it up, however it seems like the nutrients are the main source of the prob. Im using Jungle Juice 3 part (same as general hydroponics) and started them off at equal parts without calimagic initially then decided to pick it up and have been adding it since. oddly 5 of the 6 plants started really getting more and more purple on the fan leaf stems and main stalk (these are all kryptonite clones). So this is why i first thought mg and added epsom to one, while adding the calimagic to others.

All of these plants were started from clone on the 3rd of this month and have been given 250-390ppm from rooted clones at equal parts of MicroGrowBloom. So basically 1 of these plants looks to be in great shape all growth looks rather healthy, this is the one plant that was not directly under the lamp, however its just a 200w mh that was started at 3ft up. So it was also on the low end of the ppm range out of the 6 from start, but im running identical ppm's on the other side 2 plants under cfl as this one (started them 5-7days later) and they are still having slow textured growth with lots of purple stems.

All the roots look to be in pretty good health there was initially some slime build so I started adding Dutchmaster Zone early on and it has been keeping the water very clean, while generally im dealing with a brown/yellowish slime.. Im in netpots with hydroton 3.75in netpots so i try and keep the water level about 1 inch below the bottoms. everything above the water level gets a good coating of slime though but everything in the water submerged is staying very clean thanks to the zone i assume.

OK SOOO sorry for all this info but I know some smart people here would want this info to help me out.. So this is where im at now, I have basically been using HYGROHYBRID's method of the 3 part and ppm concentration and have realized its garbage and im thinkin its because hes usin fkin shop/rooting lighting for veg where he keep ppm 400-500 through veg. I assume the purple is from lack of NPK not mg def.. so ive decided to try the stronger ppm's ive used in the past.. Now this is whats in the plants..

((ALL ppm are .5 scale)) and silica used as ph up.
1) Hygrohybrid equal parts ratio with just 160ppm Calimagic + Zone @ 573ppm 5.8ph.. (Best plant very healthy ATM 200w MH lamp)

2) HygroHybrid equal parts with 250ppm Calimagic + Zone @ 447ppm 6.0 (under large Cfl's)

3) Lucas Formula with just 80ppm of Calimagic + 5micro/10Bloom + little h202 No Zone @ 734ppm 5.6ph (under 200w MH)

4) Useless (10Grow-5Micro-3Bloom) method + No Calimagic or Zone @ 850ppm 5.8ph (under large CFL's)

5) My Own ratio (7g-4m-3b) with 80 ppm Calimagic + Zone @ 625ppm 5.9ph (under 200w HID)

So this is where im at as far as nutrients too irritated with all the hype and crap about what will help my problem so decided to see which works best however still completely baffled why 1 plant look soo great when the others keep experiencing probs.. Anyone's input would be helpful thanks in advanced. I can get pics or a youtube vid if needed

ok, dont wanna read but lol heres my hydro run down when things go wrong...

ph -5.6-5.9 is all i allow.

ppm - i do 1400 or less for veg time. flower with an additive is 1700 and end flower with a swell is 2200

water temps - 62-69* tops

water cleaner - i use h202 from hydo store (29%) once a week.

oxygen - i use 2" stone in each bucket (5gallon)

co2 - just have some sort of fresh air from another room entering the room and vent sucking out of room.

room temps - 72 -78* without added co2. lights off below 62 doesnt sit well with me.

absolutly no light inside buckets...

thats just a run down i will do when having wierd issues. if all of the above are in spec then i usually wont see an issue.

btw the zone stuff you use i tried side by side with the h202 an zone didnt help like h202 did... i also use lucas formula...

cal-mag 5ml/gallon
roots excel. 1ml/gallon
micro an bloom 8ml an 16ml/gallon
thats veg at 1450 or less ppm. as they drink if the ppm gets higher then i top off with plain water until the ppm is at 1450 then if still need more water i will top off with nutrient water.

flower weeks 1-2 i stay with veg nutes above.

flower weeks 3-6 i use the above without cal-mag and add sweet 5ml/gallon. ppm 1700 tops and when topping off i do what i wrote above

flower weeks 7-8 when i top off i use moab at 1ml/gallon along with nutes. ppm 2200 tops.

week 9 i used just water ph'd

sorry for life story haha, got carried away

The only time i see leaves like that is when a flowering plant starts to reveg or old ass clones taken from flower, but im no dwc expert in fact i suck at it.

Hey thanks for a reply, when i used lucas for veg in the past the ppm would just skyrocket when i used 8/16 like 50-90ppm over 1 night.. Reason i chose the zone is cause the h202 has killed my plants in the past, but just the smaller ones and it didnt help any slime build with in the water but the zone is really keeping the slime out of the water... ill do a side by side too and see if our results show the same.

I really just hoping it was a lack of nutrients and too much light per ppm, but it seems soo odd that the best healthiest plant was actually at even lower in ppm initially without calmag.

Im also so confused how people add that much calmag 5ml is crazy @ 1ml i get 80ppm at 2 160ppm etc.. couldnt imagine 400ppm of calmag with the micro having sooo much would be helpful, but so many people claim to do it.

Anyone?? I still have no idea how to fix this. Roots do seem to be a little dingy now after the increase in ppm, so the one without zone i added ZHO, Aquashield, rapid start, and molasses to the reservoir see how that works. I know your suppose to brew it separately and with Ancient forest but wat ev.

My temps in my tent were like 78-85 with my dwc bucket. The temp inside the bucket was higher. Since I had my 1 pump running 24/7. They leaves were yellowing. A local collective owner told me to do 15/15 on off or 15/30 on off. Did 15/15 that helped did 15/30 and noticed no difference, but used less electricity. Which also should have cut the temp down even more. I was using the lucas method for my coco and hydro and it worked fine. Try that. See if it changes. I had a C02 bag in there and it seemed to help my growth. I may be new to this. But like with most things people blow shit out of proportion. Yes if temps and shit aren't optimal you won't have optimal bud. But regardless it's still gonna be some potent as shit if all else is fine. Don't get out of whack trying shit. I honestly say take 1 bucket. Clean that mother fucker out. And try the lucas method, with a bit more light, or more of the light directly on it. See if that plant starts to change. It was too long and didn't read fully, but I skimmed it all. Just keep it simple dude, how resilient these plants are is uncanny. Try the lucas method for dwc. See what ya get in 1 of the buckets. I know dudes who literally never give a shit with coco and dwc and still grow fine. And they do it the dumbest ways, very contradictory to what I see said online.

Honestly dude maybe it's just a bad gene in the plant. My WW x WW im growing now was deformed and slow as fuck growth from seed, and looked like that only with smaller leaves, eventually grew out of it and is mostly fine. Regardless of the deformity it still grew strong. Are they growing strong, regardless of the deformity? Maybe there's your answer, but truthfully, idk.

tallstraw said:

Honestly dude maybe it's just a bad gene in the plant. My WW x WW im growing now was deformed and slow as fuck growth from seed, and looked like that only with smaller leaves, eventually grew out of it and is mostly fine. Regardless of the deformity it still grew strong. Are they growing strong, regardless of the deformity? Maybe there's your answer, but truthfully, idk.

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its either deformity or is somehow reveg.. will be contacting the supplier..

bump, anyone know if these are worth growing out deformed, or will they pretty much be slower the whole time? and will quality be lower? debating on trashin them and cant reach supplier now..

ITS BROAD MITES, great... going in the trash they are!

that sux... at least u found the source of your problem. I was going to say that i have a WWxBB thats slow in growth and a little canoeing like tallstraw said but plant seems fine

HighnessBC951 said:

that sux... at least u found the source of your problem. I was going to say that i have a WWxBB thats slow in growth and a little canoeing like tallstraw said but plant seems fine

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Its very tru it does suck bad! I guess is takes like $300 worth of products to kill these off, what a joke. 2nd time in a row was given dirty clones!