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Oh yeah...and all that money put into "stimulus"...to the regular joe on the street who gets a couple extra hundred from the government for no reason...where the hell do you think it goes? BACK into corporations who in return still pay their employees like shit while making CEO's and board of directors richer and richer...so...again...how is this a good thing?
 
You know.. if the government paid every citizen above 18 years old 100,000 dollars per year it would be an ENORMOUS STIMULUS and everyone would be happy because finally it was big enough right?

The stimulus bailed out state and local budgets, union pension funds, etc. It delayed the inevitable by pushing private debts onto the taxpayers. Yes, it wasnt big enough to pay off all the PRIVATE debts out there and place the burden solely on the people, but give the government a little time and they will figure out how to hang the rest on us.

And to massah's point, I agree... There was no money added to the system, it was just printed paper. And the cost of that comes later in the form of inflation and the decreased purchasing price of the dollar.
 
I can't remember the exact numbers but I have read multiple times that if the bailouts instead went to the people effected by the crisis that each of them would of received 10's of thousands of dollars, now that would of been some real stimulus..never fact checked that but it makes sense.
 
I can't remember the exact numbers but I have read multiple times that if the bailouts instead went to the people effected by the crisis that each of them would of received 10's of thousands of dollars, now that would of been some real stimulus..never fact checked that but it makes sense.
It wouldve caused massive inflation too sadly. No-bama should've left companies to fail...no point putting a band aid on a bullet wound, cos they're gonna bleed out eventually and you wasted a multi-billion dollar band-aid.
 
I can't remember the exact numbers but I have read multiple times that if the bailouts instead went to the people effected by the crisis that each of them would of received 10's of thousands of dollars, now that would of been some real stimulus..never fact checked that but it makes sense.
Since 2008 the FED has given European Banks $29 Trillion. So that would be $87,890 for each man, woman, child and old person in the USA. Add in the TANF, TALF, Bailouts and were are talking over $100,000 could have been given to every man woman and child in the USA. Of course inflation would go through the roof nearly 1000% overnight, but what the hell right?
 
most of it isn't even real, just an illusion.
It's only real cos people believe it is, good show man, most people don't understand the simple concept that money nowadays isn't worth anything. It has no ACTUAL value, it's value is in the fact it can be used to purchase products and services within the US, which some people want to do.

This is why the dollar/euro/etc lose value when economies using these currencies are down, because there isn't as many services/products within the US (for example) to spend it on.

Do you believe a return to a gold standard is possible now tho?
 
you do realize you've pretty much ruined the politics section by repeatedly posting this garbage about ron paul?

hell i'm not even signing in more than a handful of times a week anymore....


Yeah it's about our PRESIDENT! The next one will make or break the world, geesh it's kinda important... Feel free to start your own threads....
 
Do you believe a return to a gold standard is possible now tho?
Great analysis.

Do i think a gold standard is possible? only if fractional reserve banking is outlawed. It has been almost 80 years since we were on it, I doubt many people are alive to know what it was like.
 
Great analysis.

Do i think a gold standard is possible? only if fractional reserve banking is outlawed. It has been almost 80 years since we were on it, I doubt many people are alive to know what it was like.
The whole system is ultimately doomed to fail. In small terms say if the Fed only ever made/printed/whatever $100 dollars. They "loan" this $100 to the Treasury at (for example) a flat 10% interest. When this bond was due to mature the Treasury would have repay $110 back to the Fed. However because there only was ever $100 created this debt is just simply un-payable. That's the problem with the bullshit fiat system, it's the grandest of ponzi schemes... Then they super-charge this problem with fractional reserve banking, don't even get me started on that and it's effect on the fiat system.

Anyways, toasted rambling a bit, point I was making was eventually the system will collapse, as Ron Paul repeatedly preaches its not "sound money". This is why I asked do you think we could even realistically return to the good standard, alot of big countries sold alot of their gold reserves and some countries (Italy being a prime example) hoarded it away.

I think the IMF see fiat falling apart tho, they've reportedly been buying gold left, right and centre.

What you reckon?
 
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