POST DEBATE - Main Stream Media - RON PAUL WON AND WILL WIN - SUCK IT!

Ron paul has some great Ideas. But he also has some bad Ideas as Well which makes him Unacceptable to all partys including independants. Ron Paul does well when you hear the few non radical ideas he has. And falls flat when advocating for the majority of his other ideas which are misguided or unpalatable. I am in another thread. the return to the Gold standard is one of those bad ideas he advocates for. Ron Paul does have the most fervent base though.
They look to him as a Messiah Figure almost


We never should have been taken off the gold standard. People seem to completely flake out on this topic. I don't know why it is so hard to get that the dollar in your wallet is in fact worthless. There is nothing backing it. Nothing more than a bouncing check.

The paper dollar once was in essence a check written by the government that was redeemable for X amount of silver or gold.
You carried these to purchase things from various vendors. Well, you don't want to carry all this cash so you have a check book instead.
You write the amount of dollars you want the check to be worth and give it in place of dollars to the vendor.
The vendor then returns the check to the bank in exchange for X number of dollars.
The vendor can then turn in these dollars for either gold or silver. (gold and silver will always be recognized as having value no matter where you go in the world)

Remove the gold standard:
Now the dollar is backed by nothing more than a promise to pay you back in more dollars that aren't backed by anything. Are you starting to see the problem with not being on the gold standard? Each time the FED prints more money the "Value" of the dollar goes down. Countries around the globe are getting tired of using our dollar and it won't be long until they block it from being used in the market all together. This means that OIL which is currently valued in the US dollar (for every country that buys oil) will now be based on the Yuan or some other gold backed currency. Once this happens; no one will want our monopoly money. No one....

Think about it. If you and I brought a printer, paper, toner, generator, etc. to an island not owned by anyone. Then started printing our own money not backed by anything; who would take the currency serious? Would you expect the US to allow us to convert our money over to theirs? Or any other country for that matter? I don't....
 
that is a fucking lie.

the power to regulate drugs is, by law, not invested in the duties of the President. it is, by law, a duty EXCLUSIVELY invested in two other Executive Branch offices, the DEA and FDA. by law, the president cannot unilaterally legalize drugs. by law, congress cannot pass laws which legalize/illegalize substances. that responsibility was passed on to the executive branch of the Federal Government by a guy named Richard Nixon.


Really? So having a Presidential pardon won't get you out of jail? WOW that's a new one..... Nixon was a traitor. And yes, the president can get legalize marijuana on a federal level.
 
Really? So having a Presidential pardon won't get you out of jail? WOW that's a new one..... Nixon was a traitor. And yes, the president can get legalize marijuana on a federal level.

what does a presidential pardon have to do with drug legalization????

enlighten us oh wise one.....

and no, the president cannot pass any rule regarding legality of substances. he may want to, but an executive order by the president's office legalizing marijuana can/will be challenged by the FDA and DEA (their budgets rely on there being a lot of heavily regulated substances afterall) as illegal, because that power is EXCLUSIVE to those agencies by law. the legal clusterfuck is there... you just don't understand it....
 
We never should have been taken off the gold standard. People seem to completely flake out on this topic. I don't know why it is so hard to get that the dollar in your wallet is in fact worthless. There is nothing backing it. Nothing more than a bouncing check.

The paper dollar once was in essence a check written by the government that was redeemable for X amount of silver or gold.
You carried these to purchase things from various vendors. Well, you don't want to carry all this cash so you have a check book instead.
You write the amount of dollars you want the check to be worth and give it in place of dollars to the vendor.
The vendor then returns the check to the bank in exchange for X number of dollars.
The vendor can then turn in these dollars for either gold or silver. (gold and silver will always be recognized as having value no matter where you go in the world)

Remove the gold standard:
Now the dollar is backed by nothing more than a promise to pay you back in more dollars that aren't backed by anything. Are you starting to see the problem with not being on the gold standard? Each time the FED prints more money the "Value" of the dollar goes down. Countries around the globe are getting tired of using our dollar and it won't be long until they block it from being used in the market all together. This means that OIL which is currently valued in the US dollar (for every country that buys oil) will now be based on the Yuan or some other gold backed currency. Once this happens; no one will want our monopoly money. No one....

Think about it. If you and I brought a printer, paper, toner, generator, etc. to an island not owned by anyone. Then started printing our own money not backed by anything; who would take the currency serious? Would you expect the US to allow us to convert our money over to theirs? Or any other country for that matter? I don't....

the dollar is supported by the same thing the gold standard is supported by: PERCEIVED VALUE.

you think gold is worth something.... that's why you give it value.

same thing with the dollar.... we all THINK it's worth something... that's why it has value.....

get it? that little thing, PERCEIVED VALUE, is hard to explain but is the single most important aspect of monetary units....
 
the dollar is supported by the same thing the gold standard is supported by: PERCEIVED VALUE.

you think gold is worth something.... that's why you give it value.

same thing with the dollar.... we all THINK it's worth something... that's why it has value.....

get it? that little thing, PERCEIVED VALUE, is hard to explain but is the single most important aspect of monetary units....

Yes Redivider but physical things have real value. A loaf of bread has a real value. That value may rise and fall depending on circumstances but it is real. A home has real value. A hammer has real value.

Money was created as a representation of value because bartering sucks. If you only make hammers you are not going to be able to barter 10,000 of them to someone for a home very easily.

A currency simply represents the worth of all of the products and services of a country. When the government prints money there is more money to cover the same amount of assets so the value of the money goes down relative to the products. This is known as inflation and something that is actually a great benefit to governments and a real burden to people on fixed incomes. When you have inflation that means that the inflated dollars pay off the uninflated past debt.

But gold is less valuable than bread when you are starving and either way the dollar will be about the value of the toilet paper it will be used for if the government doesnt stop printing and spending money.
 
Gold only has the value we give it in dollars. A return to gold eould collapse the economy by shrinking the money supply. Also fluctuations in the balue of gold would destroy economys on whim. Why if is so good. There. Are no countries on it now?
 
Gold only has the value we give it in dollars. A return to gold eould collapse the economy by shrinking the money supply. Also fluctuations in the balue of gold would destroy economys on whim. Why if is so good. There. Are no countries on it now?

Because the most powerful countries at the time outstripped their gold reserves and had to come up with something to keep them all powerful...duh...i thought that was common knowledge...oh wait they hide it under the guise of of the fiat monetary system ;)
 
I dont think any of us would be having this discussion except for the fact that our collective political system has allowed the federal government to run up over 15 trillion dollars of debt.

They looted the social security fund to the tune of 3 trillion dollars that they still count as an asset even though it is all IOU's.

It isnt the monetary system that is broken it is the political system.
 
it's greed that's ruining our country.

it's allowing people to hide behind corporations so they can act without fear of reprimand. it's special interests. it's corporations are people. it's some people pulling all the weight while a select few profit...
 
Squirm, Sqirm, Squirm,....all you snakes and worms!!!:mrgreen:

One only needs to communicate with people state to state to see that Ron

Paul is on top by a{of a}landslide. Around the world for that matter!:peace:
 
it's greed that's ruining our country.

it's allowing people to hide behind corporations so they can act without fear of reprimand. it's special interests. it's corporations are people. it's some people pulling all the weight while a select few profit...

I disagree... In a capitalistic society, greed is moderated by competition. If someone finds a way to make a bunch of money off something, others copy it and make it cheaper to the point the market supports. That is why it is self regulating.
 
I disagree... In a capitalistic society, greed is moderated by competition. If someone finds a way to make a bunch of money off something, others copy it and make it cheaper to the point the market supports. That is why it is self regulating.

if that were true, we wouldn't have such a large disparity between income levels....
 
it's greed that's ruining our country.

it's allowing people to hide behind corporations so they can act without fear of reprimand. it's special interests. it's corporations are people. it's some people pulling all the weight while a select few profit...

The same scenario that played out before the freat depression
 
if that were true, we wouldn't have such a large disparity between income levels....

Incorrect. We do not have a static monetary supply. As the total amount of wealth grows the disparity grows, it does not mean the poor are getting poorer. In fact the poverty line has been moved upward arbitrarily in the past so when you compare today's numbers to previous numbers they are not really a fair measure.

Most of this is simply class warfare ginned up by the politicians that dont want you to focus on the massive amount of money the government is overspending.

It is litterally a 40% tax hike that they just never bothered voting on and/or passing. I really cannot believe how more people are seriously pissed at our government for getting us into this mess.

They have spent us 15 TRILLION dollars in the hole and they are pissing and moaning about a couple hundred billion OVER A DECADE... Seriously, it is tens of billions of dollars a year. Like 1% of what Obama blew on his failed stimulus. Either way it will likely make NO STATISTICAL difference in our debt. If we dont get our spending under control it wont matter what we do because the interest will eat us alive.

But hey, lets continue this petty class warfare struggle where the rich get told they are evil for not paying their fair share of taxes...
 
The Drug Enforcement Administration was established on 1 July 1973, by Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1973, signed by President Richard Nixon on 28 July 1973.[SUP][1][/SUP] It proposed the creation of a single federal agency to enforce the federal drug laws as well as consolidate and coordinate the government's drug control activities. Congress accepted the proposal, as they were concerned with the growing availability of drugs.[SUP][2][/SUP] As a result, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD), the Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement (ODALE), and other federal offices merged together to create the DEA.[SUP][3]



My apologies.
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The Drug Enforcement Administration was established on 1 July 1973, by Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1973, signed by President Richard Nixon on 28 July 1973.[SUP][1][/SUP] It proposed the creation of a single federal agency to enforce the federal drug laws as well as consolidate and coordinate the government's drug control activities. Congress accepted the proposal, as they were concerned with the growing availability of drugs.[SUP][2][/SUP] As a result, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD), the Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement (ODALE), and other federal offices merged together to create the DEA.[SUP][3]



My apologies.
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And ever since then the DEA has grown larger and larger adding many many more drugs that are illegal and require people to be incarcerated for even being in possession of them.
 
Incorrect. We do not have a static monetary supply. As the total amount of wealth grows the disparity grows, it does not mean the poor are getting poorer. In fact the poverty line has been moved upward arbitrarily in the past so when you compare today's numbers to previous numbers they are not really a fair measure.

Most of this is simply class warfare ginned up by the politicians that dont want you to focus on the massive amount of money the government is overspending.

It is litterally a 40% tax hike that they just never bothered voting on and/or passing. I really cannot believe how more people are seriously pissed at our government for getting us into this mess.

They have spent us 15 TRILLION dollars in the hole and they are pissing and moaning about a couple hundred billion OVER A DECADE... Seriously, it is tens of billions of dollars a year. Like 1% of what Obama blew on his failed stimulus. Either way it will likely make NO STATISTICAL difference in our debt. If we dont get our spending under control it wont matter what we do because the interest will eat us alive.

But hey, lets continue this petty class warfare struggle where the rich get told they are evil for not paying their fair share of taxes...

i would love to see your source. america was made great because of a large, comfortable, and very well to do MIDDLE CLASS. a middle class that made good money doing every type of job. mechanics could earn over 100k per year working at the same dealer for 25-30 years.... janitors made the equivalent of 20 dollars per hour.... that's what made america great and it's being pissed away little by little by those special interests...

special interests and greed are part of the reason government spending is so great.

here's a good one for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...2010-4#half-of-america-has-25-of-the-wealth-2

enjoy. 15 graphs that completely blow your little 'assumption'.

obamas stimulus package helped the economy. reason it didn't 'rebound' the economy is IT WAS NOT LARGE ENOUGH.
 
i would love to see your source. here's a good one for you:

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...2010-4#half-of-america-has-25-of-the-wealth-2

enjoy. 15 graphs that completely blow your little 'assumption'.

obamas stimulus package helped the economy. reason it didn't 'rebound' the economy is IT WAS NOT LARGE ENOUGH.

Yet you fail to understand the grand scheme of things...he put money into the system...money that didn't exist...printed it...from scratch...from nowhere...soooooooo....how is that a good thing? Remember what happens to countries who print too much money? It's called hyperinflation...google it sometime...
 
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