Progressive Party **Official Thread**

[londonfog]

Did Russia begin this divide and conquer campaign in 2008 (while Hillary was busy smearing Obama)?? Because that’s when I, and many other people soured on her. Was that all Russia?

Or maybe, just maybe, she’s a shit candidate that ran a shit campaign and she didn’t convince enough people to bother showing up to the polls?

Nah, couldn’t be! Must have been Russia (or racism, or sexism, or Comey, or the EC, or Bernie, or the weather, or aliens, or....).

did you hear the one about Dems having a sex ring in a pizza parlor. What about Benghazi ? I read Hillary was about to go senile and needed medical attention ASAP because she kept passing out. Oh Hillary hates black people. Benghazi. The FBI investigation found nothing...Wait it was opened again...never mind its closed...oops open again. closed open closed open. Benghazi. Bill Clinton let Monica suck his dick while Hillary watches...maybe ? Did I mention Benghazi ?

 

[st0wandgrow]

Enjoy Trump!

Because you only had 2 choices, noisemaker. One good, one bad.

Or you can pretend they were both bad.

That’s a cop out, and completely avoiding the fact that Hillary was extremely unlikeable, and she did not inspire people to show up like Obama did.

Trump was an awful candidate who got less votes than Romney. He should have been easy to beat. He didn’t lose though, because the Dems ran the one candidate on the planet that people actually hated more than Donald Trump.

That’s why Trump is president. Blame the DNC and the voters that supported her during the primary. They are responsible for Trump.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

That’s a cop out

I call it pragmatism

 

[londonfog]

That’s a cop out, and completely avoiding the fact that Hillary was extremely unlikeable, and she did not inspire people to show up like Obama did.

Trump was an awful candidate who got less votes than Romney. He should have been easy to beat. He didn’t lose though, because the Dems ran the one candidate on the planet that people actually hated more than Donald Trump.

That’s why Trump is president. Blame the DNC and the voters that supported her during the primary. They are responsible for Trump.

Bernie supporters help bash the one person running against Trump. Bernie could not get people out to vote for him ask @schuylaar. Very shocking that Bernie could not get people to come out to vote after the promise of free shit. I thought people liked free shit. Bernie must be one fucked up candidate.

 

[UncleBuck]

That’s a cop out, and completely avoiding the fact that Hillary was extremely unlikeable, and she did not inspire people to show up like Obama did.

Trump was an awful candidate who got less votes than Romney. He should have been easy to beat. He didn’t lose though, because the Dems ran the one candidate on the planet that people actually hated more than Donald Trump.

That’s why Trump is president. Blame the DNC and the voters that supported her during the primary. They are responsible for Trump.

I blame you, stein voter in michigan.

Idiot

 

[Chunky Stool]

Did Russia begin this divide and conquer campaign in 2008 (while Hillary was busy smearing Obama)?? Because that’s when I, and many other people soured on her. Was that all Russia?

Or maybe, just maybe, she’s a shit candidate that ran a shit campaign and she didn’t convince enough people to bother showing up to the polls?

Nah, couldn’t be! Must have been Russia (or racism, or sexism, or Comey, or the EC, or Bernie, or the weather, or aliens, or....).

She was a shit candidate who got 2+ million more votes than Trump?

The majority of Americans hate the orange turd and don't support his agenda. Why is it surprising that he can't get anything done?

 

[st0wandgrow]

The majority of Americans hate the orange turd and don't support his agenda.

Indeed. The majority of Americans hated the orange turd and didn't support his agenda on election day either...which begs the question, how on earth could *any* dem nominee lose to him?

Unless you're not with the majority of Americans, and feel that Trump was a fantastic candidate for potus and was simply unbeatable, then I think you have your answer.

She was a shit candidate

 

[Fogdog]

How is what Germany did as you have explained it here comparable to how you treat people you believe to be racist on RIU?

That's exactly the right way to deal with them. Mock them, make fun of them, make people see their arguments and viewpoints - through logic and reason - to be fools. Beat them with your brain

Read the letter from a Birmingham jail. That's how MLK criticized his opposition. Being crude like you and UncleBuck do not produce results. They lead to more racism.

That's not what I said..

LOL

Give them hugs and a cookie. Tell them you empathize and that you want to guide them to better choices.

LOL

Show us a quantitative study -- not opinion pieces or u-tube -- that demonstrates your approach reduces racist or xenophobic belief in a meaningful way in a large society. I showed clear example of how suppressing racism in combination with education is demonstrated to be effective.

To be clear, what @st0wandgrow linked to, is a Stanford University study that discusses how fragile white people are made uncomfortable, anxious and more likely to hold tightly their racist beliefs when called racist. It discusses ways to deal with them and work with them and make them more cooperative, not change their minds or reduce racism or racist beliefs in society.

Bashing racists on RIU doesn't change the racist, he was already extremely unlikely to ever change in this regard. You confuse this with increasing the number of racists. Racism is propagated by indoctrinating children, teaching them the false beliefs of racism, xenopobia, antisemitism or other bigoted beliefs. How could what I say at RIU possibly cause a child to become more like this?

Believing white men must work harder than people of other races or women is a tell that you have racist and sexist leanings, btw. You deserve every figurative punch in the nose that you get.

Did that make you more racist and sexist, fragile white man?

 

[SneekyNinja]

Indeed. The majority of Americans hated the orange turd and didn't support his agenda on election day either...which begs the question, how on earth could *any* dem nominee lose to him?

Unless you're not with the majority of Americans, and feel that Trump was a fantastic candidate for potus and was simply unbeatable, then I think you have your answer.

A shit candidate that wiped the floor with your Messiah in the primaries and got the second most votes of any candidate ever in the general?

Bernie can still win!

 

[Fogdog]

Indeed. The majority of Americans hated the orange turd and didn't support his agenda on election day either...which begs the question, how on earth could *any* dem nominee lose to him?

Unless you're not with the majority of Americans, and feel that Trump was a fantastic candidate for potus and was simply unbeatable, then I think you have your answer.

You are beginning to sound more and more like Rob Roy each and every day. What you ask regarding the election has been explained. What has been used to answer your question regarding Trump's win are both logical statements, evidence and quantitative analysis. You retort back with belief and insult. Wash rinse, dry and repeat. It's time to explain yourself, not just regurgitate right wing lies about Clinton.

For example, there is not one shred of proof to your claim that Clinton took money in exchange for something of value while she was in office.

Regarding the outcome of the election, there is strong evidence that people who supported Bernie did in fact tip the election to Trump. There is strong evidence that the majority of people who voted for Trump did so because of his racist and sexist speech and promises. There is strong evidence that Russian meddling tipped the election to Trump. You dismiss these as excuses. I can only guess you do so because for you, a "fact doesn't have to be true to be believed."

 

[travisw]

Right, and how does calling them names help them realize that? When has that ever worked? Cite an example

Got it. Name calling doesn't work.

How unbelievably racist of you

Huh? I could of sworn that I read this doesn't work?

Your tactic of "suppressing racists" has proven to yeild opposite results. It simply doesn't work. Racist become even more emboldened and less receptive to logic or reason.

Okay, I'm not crazy. I definitely read that doesn't work. Why do you think someone would do something they know, doesn't work?

What you do is verbally abuse people to make yourself feel better and to get approval from your ingroup.

The only reason you would continue to move forward with this tactic after having been shown through academic studies and actual intellectual arguments from academics working in the field is to stroke your own bruised ego. If you know it doesn't work, and you still choose to do it anyway, you're a scumbag who doesn't care if you're also responsible for perpetuating the same racism you claim to oppose

I get it. You're calling him names to stroke your bruised ego, and you're admitting you're a scumbag who doesn't really care?

I have broken through to some of the members you call racist because I'm not a dick to them and I try to understand where they're coming from and why they believe the things they believe, regardless of how offensive I might personally find it. I know that calling them an asshole isn't going to make them change - which IS actually my goal.

Wait. Your saying you broke through to some of the racists that post here by not being a dick? If you actually care about this racism stuff, why not lend a helping hand to UB? Why call him names? Why are actual racists worthy of your support but people you anoint as racist, who actually aren't, unworthy of your help.

You (pretend to) believe me using the word "fa*got" is offensive, regardless of the context. I believe you attacking people's character is offensive

Wait. I thought calling people names was bad. So you can call someone a faggot, and that isn't offensive but somehow attacking someone's character is offensive. Jesus, this stuff is so confusing?

How does calling someone a "fat, racist, lonely, cuck" defeat or reduce racism?

Maybe the same way, telling someone to

shove your false justifications straight up your ass.

does. Maybe it doesn't.

 

[rkymtnman]

^^^^^ ouch, I felt the Bern on that one! well played @travisw

 

[londonfog]

@travisw brilliant simple brilliant.
Sir that take down made the crickets chirp in silence

 

[st0wandgrow]

Bashing racists on RIU doesn't change the racist

Exactly, it just gives you the opportunity to puff your chest out and get your ego stroked a bit. Are you insecure?

A shit candidate that wiped the floor with your Messiah in the primaries and got the second most votes of any candidate ever in the general?

Bernie can still win!

Yeah, you're right, she was great. Maybe she'll run again in 2020 (fingers crossed)?!?!

You are beginning to sound more and more like Rob Roy each and every day. What you ask regarding the election has been explained. What has been used to answer your question regarding Trump's win are both logical statements, evidence and quantitative analysis. You retort back with belief and insult. Wash rinse, dry and repeat. It's time to explain yourself, not just regurgitate right wing lies about Clinton.

For example, there is not one shred of proof to your claim that Clinton took money in exchange for something of value while she was in office.

Regarding the outcome of the election, there is strong evidence that people who supported Bernie did in fact tip the election to Trump. There is strong evidence that the majority of people who voted for Trump did so because of his racist and sexist speech and promises. There is strong evidence that Russian meddling tipped the election to Trump. You dismiss these as excuses. I can only guess you do so because for you, a "fact doesn't have to be true to be believed."

Nope, wasn't me. I've said all along that it was Clinton's job to convince people to vote for her. You are confused.

I've said many times that Clinton won the majority vote but lost the EC and I wasn't even complaining about that. I've always said that it was Clinton's job to convince people to vote for her.

It was Clinton's job to win your and their votes. She did not......Not excusing Clinton for her failure in the election though.
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I do say that it was Clinton's job to convince Sanders voters to vote for her in the general election. I can't see any benefit in crying over 12% who didn't and voted for Trump. It was Clinton's job to win their vote and she did not.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Exactly, it just gives you the opportunity to puff your chest out and get your ego stroked a bit. Are you insecure?



Yeah, you're right, she was great. Maybe she'll run again in 2020 (fingers crossed)?!?!

Id rather she didn't, but the banner seems to trigger your fellow Bernouts, amirite?

 

[st0wandgrow]

Id rather she didn't, but the banner seems to trigger your fellow Bernouts, amirite?

Yeah, that banner keeps me up at night!

 

[schuylaar]

How unbelievably racist of you to assume, specifically black voters are too ignorant to understand they're being used by a Russian propaganda campaign

you've been triggered. +rep

 

[schuylaar]

Two reasons

1) Obama drew record high numbers because he motivated black people to come out and vote. Graphic above shows 2008 and 2012 black voter turnout was at record high numbers. Hillary did about as well as Bill did in '92;
2) Voter suppression works. Inner city voters face long lines, fewer polling stations, inner city black people have less ability to leave work early to vote. Voter suppression is a real policy among Republican controlled states.

= moron

 

[schuylaar]

All the black people I associate with voted for Clinton. But they're all my age.

Maybe the kids didn't vote. I bet they do next time.

out of touch, don't count on it.

 

[schuylaar]

Id rather she didn't, but the banner seems to trigger your fellow Bernouts, amirite?

kinda like what my sig does for you Clintoncronies.

i notced it keeps getting smaller. <shrug>