PJ Diaz
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Semantics.
Recovering fraudulent or abused unemployment insurance?
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hanimmal
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Secure stable housing and food does not require a direct payment to the person getting the resources does it?
CatHedral
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Semantics can hide intention. Terminology matters.
PJ Diaz
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No, but the word you used "baseline" implies that funds would be distributed to individuals, so that they could get the necessary resources. If that was not what you meant to imply, then I digress.
PJ Diaz
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I actually agree that semantics matter, however in this case I think you are just being nit-picky.
CatHedral
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No.
“Convincing” business owners implies a degree of power that they do not possess. It lies by implication.
hanimmal
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Its cool, I think you read into that a bit more than I intended it. I was more thinking having secure housing and food is really what it came down to. Outside of that is really just a question of how/where.
PJ Diaz
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"Compelling" them implies that you would force them into something which they may not want to be coerced into. The problem I see with that is the power of business lobbying. Again, I'm not opposed to the idea, and Gavernator Newsom could indeed compel them by way of a $20/hr state minimum wage, but I'm not sure he wants to face another recall election anytime soon.
CatHedral
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No motion without force. This works for politics as well as for Newton.
Of course they do not want to be coerced. Eats into profits which are the sole and true god.
PJ Diaz
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Please, let's not degrade this any further by debating gravity or the laws of physics.
UncleBuck
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Yeah conversing with you is degrading enough
CatHedral
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Understood. But any government that considers businesses ahead of “the people” is not democratic.
PJ Diaz
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Personally I agree, however that paradigm drives politics each and every day, on both sides of the aisle unfortunately.
CatHedral
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Considering some of the utter nonsense driving politics in the nation today, I am disinclined to argue.
PJ Diaz
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It seems like we have circled around to the beginning of this debate now, no?
I guess we're agreeing, however we aren't sure how to solve the problem, short of electing utopian leaders; however history shows that to lead towards Marxism.
food does. food pantry is supposed to enhance not be all. SNAP gives you the money on a card and you choose what you wish.
CatHedral
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Marxism is a spent force. The only ones saying Marxism are concealing autocratic wishes.
As for utopian, every single utopian movement I have encountered expects human nature to change in a mysterious but convenient manner.
pearl clutch; smelling salts.
CatHedral
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All pearls belong to the people.