Right or wrong, why I think Treyvon was shot

SirGreenThumb

SirGreenThumb

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UncleBuck said:
there is no evidence at all that martin attacked zimmerman. zero. there is no evidence that zimm attacked martin, either. zero.

what don't you get about this?

martin was being followed in the dark, in his own neighborhood where he was staying, while he was doing nothing wrong, by a creepy stranger who didn't identify himself.

any person who wants to stay alive is gonna be in fear for their lives if a creepy stranger follows them in similar circumstances.

that gives martin every right to defend himself. zimm should count himself lucky that martin didn;t have a gun, he could have shot to kill in legitimate self defense since he feared for his life.
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Since you are using the creepy ass cracker reference, I take it that you believe what Ms. Jeantel said. So, by that there is evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Where Martin was staying he would had needed to run all they way back down to the T in order to be in the spot where the altercation happened, cause his friend said he was by his dads girlfriends house.

Zimmerman lived there also, so it was his neighborhood also.

No need to be in fear for your life if you just outran and lost the person that was "following" you.

If Martin would have had a gun he would be in possession of an illegal firearm. He would be charged with possession of an illegal firearm cause he couldn't obtain it legally given his age, and by that, it shows intent to commit a crime.

I cannot believe this is still going on. The evidence shows it was self defense, there will not be any double jeopardy in the form of a civil rights violation, the charge holds no water and that was one of the first things that was investigated.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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SirGreenThumb said:
Since you are using the creepy ass cracker reference, I take it that you believe what Ms. Jeantel said. So, by that there is evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Where Martin was staying he would had needed to run all they way back down to the T in order to be in the spot where the altercation happened, cause his friend said he was by his dads girlfriends house.
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i said creepy stranger, but good job on seeing race where there is none. you've come out of the closet like that recently.

your account is one theory, but it does not preclude another theory that zimm went looking for martin again. he had two flashlights, he had several minutes, he told the cops to call him for location instead of meeting where he said he was, he told serino he went down the T to look for martin, he told singleton that after he hung up with dispatch he "went back towards him", knowing that he ran to that area.

quite literally ANYTHING could have happened during those 3-4 minutes. martin could have been standing there talking for a while within eyeshot of zimm. we just don't know.


SirGreenThumb said:
No need to be in fear for your life if you just outran and lost the person that was "following" you.
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until he comes down the T looking for you...again.

SirGreenThumb said:
If Martin would have had a gun he would be in possession of an illegal firearm. He would be charged with possession of an illegal firearm cause he couldn't obtain it legally given his age, and by that, it shows intent to commit a crime.
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so he'd get booked for an illegal firearm. he'd still have his life.
 
LocknessMD

LocknessMD

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UncleBuck said:
so you think crime is more correlated with melanin than with poverty?
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Interesting. I guess poor Black people go to jail and poor White people join the military? Just because you are poor isn't an excuse to commit crime.

Service% White% Minorities% Black% Other
Army73.9 %26.1 %21.5 %4.6 %
Navy66.2 %33.8 %19.3 %14.4 %
Marine Corps83.7 %16.3 %11.1 %5.2 %
Air Force78.1 %21.9 %15.6 %6.3 %
Coast Guard82 %18 %6.1 %11.9 %
Total74.6 %25.4 %17.8 %7.6 %
Marital Profile of Active Duty Force
If the only thing that Red1966 ever said was that black people are more inclined to crime, based of prison demographics he wouldn't be wrong.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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BigNBushy said:
I remember a show a few years ago that took makeup and made white people appear to be black. Some of the things they have observed was that white people had a fear of blacks. If I remember correctly there was more fear observed, or at least more instances of white people reacting to those that had been made to look black when they had not only been made to look black but were dressed in a 'hip-hop' style. From what I have seen, Treyvon was dressed in somewhat of a hip-hop fashion. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying that it is OK for people to go around shooting folks just because they have an initial reaction of fear towards someone. But let us face facts. Zimmerman (GZ) was initially suspicious towards Treyvon (TM). Why? Well, I think it is fair to say that the majority of crime is committed by blacks who are hip-hop dressed, whites that commit crimes are also hip-hop dressed, as well as white-trash dressed. The white-trash style has yet to catch on in the African American community. I think had TM been dressed in khaki pants, with a polo or button up tucked in with a belt and nice shoes he would not have been confronted, and shot. Of course, people have a right to dress how they see fit, but sometimes there are negative affects of the choices we make that we have every right to make. A similar thing might be said of a female rape victim that was dressed like a total slut. It doesn't make it her fault she was raped, but her decision to hold herself out as a whore increased her chances of getting raped.
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The reason Martin was shot is simple and obvious. He attacked, with fists, a man with a gun. Never a good idea.
 
SirGreenThumb

SirGreenThumb

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UncleBuck said:
i said creepy stranger, but good job on seeing race where there is none. you've come out of the closet like that recently.

your account is one theory, but it does not preclude another theory that zimm went looking for martin again. he had two flashlights, he had several minutes, he told the cops to call him for location instead of meeting where he said he was, he told serino he went down the T to look for martin, he told singleton that after he hung up with dispatch he "went back towards him", knowing that he ran to that area.

quite literally ANYTHING could have happened during those 3-4 minutes. martin could have been standing there talking for a while within eyeshot of zimm. we just don't know.




until he comes down the T looking for you...again.



so he'd get booked for an illegal firearm. he'd still have his life.
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What you are referring to when you say creepy is implied and everyone knows it. You are the one injecting race into everything then calling everyone racist for you doing it. Classy.
Now whether or not my theory is accurate or not, it's the one that is most logical by the evidence that was presented and the verdict that was read. You can say there is no evidence of tm attacking him till you're blue in the face, but the verdict was still ruled in favor of self defense.

He might have his life, or a firefight may have broken out and the both could have been killed. But if he did kill z by shooting him first, he would be convicted of murder because of obtaining a firearm illegally and using it illegally. When you obtain a firearm illegally it shows intent to use it for a crime. So he would be charged with both murder and illegal possession.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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I really would like to thank Buckhead for being so cooperative lately, hunting down all those charts and graphs proving my points for me. Its rare that an adversary is so eager to prove his opponents position.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Red1966 said:
I really would like to thank Buckhead for being so cooperative lately, hunting down all those charts and graphs proving my points for me. Its rare that an adversary is so eager to prove his opponents position.
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your position, as so eloquently stated in my sig, is that being a black male is what causes criminality.

what my charts show is that there is no correlation between melanin and criminality. there is a direct and incontrovertible correlation between poverty and criminality over ALL RACES.

i want to thank red ofr continuing to be so dumb and blind in the face of undeniable correlation.
 
LocknessMD

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[h=4]By race/ethnicity and family status, based on data from 2007[edit][/h]

Camden, New Jersey is one of the poorest cities in the United States.​

Among married couple families: 5.8% lived in poverty.[SUP][27][/SUP] This number varied by race and ethnicity as follows:
5.4% of all white persons (which includes white Hispanics),[SUP][29][/SUP]
9.7% of all black persons (which includes black Hispanics),[SUP][30][/SUP] and
14.9% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)[SUP][31][/SUP] living in poverty.
Among single parent (male or female) families: 26.6% lived in poverty.[SUP][27][/SUP] This number varied by race and ethnicity as follows"
22.5% of all white persons (which includes white Hispanics),[SUP][29][/SUP]
44.0% of all black persons (which includes black Hispanics),[SUP][30][/SUP] and
33.4% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)[SUP][31][/SUP] living in poverty.
Among unrelated individuals living alone: 19.1% lived in poverty.[SUP][27][/SUP] This number varied by race and ethnicity as follows:
18% of white persons (which includes white Hispanics)[SUP][32][/SUP]
27.9% of black persons (which includes black Hispanics)[SUP][31][/SUP] and
27% of Hispanic persons (of any race)[SUP][33][/SUP] living in poverty

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Race / EthnicityNumberPercentage of
U.S. population
Americans308,745,538100.0 %
White or European American223,553,26572.4 %
Black or African American38,929,31912.6 %
Asian American14,674,2524.8 %
American Indian or Alaska Native2,932,2480.9 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander540,0130.2 %
Some other race19,107,3686.2 %
Two or more races9,009,0732.9 %
Not Hispanic nor Latino258,267,94483.6 %
Non-Hispanic White or European American196,817,55263.7 %
Non-Hispanic Black or African American37,685,84812.2 %
Non-Hispanic Asian14,465,1244.7 %
Non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native2,247,0980.7 %
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander481,5760.2 %
Non-Hispanic Some Other Race604,2650.2 %
Non-Hispanic Two or more races5,966,4811.9 %
Hispanic or Latino50,477,59416.4 %
White or European American Hispanic26,735,7138.7 %
Black or African American Hispanic1,243,4710.4 %
American Indian or Alaska Native Hispanic685,1500.2 %
Asian Hispanic209,1280.1 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander Hispanic58,4370.0 %
Some Other Race Hispanic18,503,1036.0 %
Two or more races Hispanic3,042,5921.0 %
Total308,745,538100.0%


There's 6 times as many white people in the United states as blacks, but there's 5 times as many blacks in jail when 4-20% of blacks are poorer. Black people are more inclined to commit crimes.
 
N

NoDrama

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LocknessMD said:
Interesting. I guess poor Black people go to jail and poor White people join the military? Just because you are poor isn't an excuse to commit crime.

Service% White% Minorities% Black% Other
Army73.9 %26.1 %21.5 %4.6 %
Navy66.2 %33.8 %19.3 %14.4 %
Marine Corps83.7 %16.3 %11.1 %5.2 %
Air Force78.1 %21.9 %15.6 %6.3 %
Coast Guard82 %18 %6.1 %11.9 %
Total74.6 %25.4 %17.8 %7.6 %
Marital Profile of Active Duty Force
If the only thing that Red1966 ever said was that black people are more inclined to crime, based of prison demographics he wouldn't be wrong.
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Marine Corps Minorities only 16%?

Wow it must have changed alot since I was in. Probably 35-40% Minorities then.
 
LocknessMD

LocknessMD

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UncleBuck said:
so again, are you saying melanin causes criminality?
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You tell me why Black people are more inclined to commit crimes. I just read the charts. Are you saying that black people are not people identified with black melanin? Or are you so naive as to think everyone is the same we just have different skin colors (sunshine+rainbows+puppies). There aren't 5 times as many blacks in jail because they are anywhere remotely close to being 5 times poorer.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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LocknessMD said:
You tell me why Black people are more inclined to commit crimes.
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are you slow or something? you're the one who made the claim, that means you get to explain it, not me.

LocknessMD said:
There aren't 5 times as many blacks in jail because they are anywhere remotely close to being 5 times poorer.
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explain the direct correlation between poverty and crime rates in all races then. just coincidence, einstein?
 
LocknessMD

LocknessMD

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-You called Red a racist for saying that black males are more inclined to criminality.

-According to the statistical data of the US prison demographics there are 5 times as may blacks in jail than anyone else when they are out populated by their white counterpart by 6 times!

-Black people are not 5 times poorer than their white counterparts so there is no correlation between poverty and crime. That is something YOU made up.

-All you are saying is black people are more inclined to commit crimes because they are poor?
 
LocknessMD

LocknessMD

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Red1966. You sir are racist because the only reason black people are more inclined to commit crimes is because they are poor! Be ashamed!
 
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