Seedlings In Bad Shape.

You might be right about the pH thing but I think you would solve most of your problems if your transplanted them into better soil, cause I think you have salt build up too.

Beansly said:

You might be right about the pH thing but I think you would solve most of your problems if your transplanted them into better soil, cause I think you have salt build up too.

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How would this be when he hasn't added any ferts and overwatered, read the thread dude! Why would the pH be at 7.2 with no ferts!

Dont transplant yet, one thing at a time, transplant next watering if you have to but lets see if them leaves stand up and stop drooping first. Peace

Well they look overwatered again! I'm not sure whats happening here but I think maybe not enough holes in the bottom of the pots?

Is the soil moist? Yes? DO NOT WATER THEM ANYMORE UNTIL IT DRIES.

stfu dude and read back. it was dry and then i watered again after 5 days dude so chill out with the yelling bro sheesh.

i'm just not gonna water again untill they turn limp and need water bad. Will transplant then.

This is dissapointing, big ridges on the leaves point to overwatering but i thought the soil was dry, sure the bottom half of the pot wasn't still wet and did you give them enough water? They are in a bad shape now, thought they were gona appreciate a watering and stop being so droopy, they might have needed ferts with the watering but i see nothing else except transplanting them now.

Yer dude they look real bad now, didn't look so bad before, is there any way they are still being overwatered cause that is what they look like. Dissapointing dude. Peace

Looking at the pics and the soil dosent look wet, you sure you watered the whole pot?

soil is moist right now. these are not underwatered leaves. they are full and heavy. soil felt dry amd pots were light so. maybe I was wrong and maybe i need more perlite and holes. Thats my next step. Will transplant monday.

Kingrow1 said:

How would this be when he hasn't added any ferts and overwatered, read the thread dude! Why would the pH be at 7.2 with no ferts!

Dont transplant yet, one thing at a time, transplant next watering if you have to but lets see if them leaves stand up and stop drooping first. Peace

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Kingrow1 said:

This is dissapointing, big ridges on the leaves point to overwatering but i thought the soil was dry, sure the bottom half of the pot wasn't still wet and did you give them enough water? They are in a bad shape now, thought they were gona appreciate a watering and stop being so droopy, they might have needed ferts with the watering but i see nothing else except transplanting them now.

Yer dude they look real bad now, didn't look so bad before, is there any way they are still being overwatered cause that is what they look like. Dissapointing dude. Peace

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And I'm the one who don't know what I'm talking about?

Beansly said:

And I'm the one who don't know what I'm talking about?

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Ok Beansley! Do one!

Now transplant was our last option so i think thats the best way to go now.

Looking back at the whole thread i see hardly any ferts have been added, no extra lime to the soil and a lot of overwatering problems. I dont trust your pH readings as they should have been the other way around but with a transplant into the same soil just a bigger pot you may be setting yourself up for a bigger problem later.

What would we change with the transplant soil, maybe a small amount of perlite to aid drainage but not too much as i think there is already some in it, some dolomite lime to take away those pH worries and maybe setting up a fert and water schedule from the start so you can keep that in check. Also some better pots with the right holes in the bottom.

Please discuss the dolomite lime and new transplant first, there must be somethings to change to prevent this happening again, once you got things dialled in then its easy sailing but if transplanted into the same conditions i feel the same will happen again which is why BEANSLY i wanted to work this one through before slamming it in a bigger pot with the same soil and conditions only to have this happen middle of flowering and waste time, effort and a whole crop, i'd rather kill ten seedlings after 10 weeks that a 10 half flowered plants after 3months and have to start again having learnt nothing! Peace

Yes I am picking up a bag of perlite tomarrow. I'm going to drill holes ALL over the bottom of the new pots so it will be impossible for water buildup on the bottom.ill get some lime to and sprinkle a little on the topsoil after the transplant. i'm thinking a 30% mix of perlite and FFoF.

They look alot better again today. I've noticed that they wilt the worste right before lights out! does this mean anything? Other than that most of them are picking themselves back up and still lots of growth! I hope I can clear this all up with a few changes and a transplant.

Well seems like things are better today, if your still getting problems but not as bed i would hazard a guess that you have sorted the problems out a little but not fully. This could sound promising with a transplant. Few things first, why not add the lime to the new soil and mix it in before transplant, also find some foxfarm soil growers and see what the recomended and best amount for the soil is, it might not need much or it might need lots. I see a lot of growers like 30percent perlite, for me that is a little too much and the soil dries a little too quick for my liking, mix up 30percent and see what you think before transplanting, can always add more or less soil/perlite to get it to what you think is best.

Perlite is dangerous, do not breath in the dust it gives off, wet the bag first or wear a mask and do it outside.

Also when you transplant it will give you time to inspect the roots, healthy roots are hairy and bright white, really stand out well in the soil, unhealthy roots are dull brown and not hairy. Keep us posted. Peace

I forgot, on;y use dolomite lime or garden lime. Lime such as hydrated lime and slaked lime and most other limes are dangerous to use with plants and burn roots and produce heat in chemical reactions with water. Stick to the garden lime and dolomite lime as the rest are bad for plants.

cool thanks for the heads up on all that. Will follow your advice. The one I pulled out the other day had white roots but didnt pay attention. will look and take pics of roots this time.

Thank you everyone for all the advice, taken or not! Specially you king.

Well keep us posted after the transplants. Peace

One thing though. Do I want to add lime if my ph is already coming out at 7.2? I mean if I add lime it wont go lower and I need it to. I'm going to test the ph of the soil straight from the bag.

I just asked a few growers and not many use lime in ffof but some do, dont add it but top dress it if needed would be the safe answer. Check the pH out of the bag is a good idea.

Personally i would think you are getting 7.2 runoff from there being a lot of lime in the soil in the first place. You may not need lime whatsoever if the pH holds near 7. Hopefully ffof is better than the soils round here. Hold off on the lime till check pH, lime raises the pH to 7.5, acid soil lowers it so you should end up with pH 6.4 to 6.8 ideally. Your pH is crazy though, i would investigate this and not add lime if it is still high. Start a thread and ask all the ffof growers wether to lime or not to, i only mention it as it is good for acid soils, you may not need to. Peace

Ok So I did a soil ph test straight out of the bag and I get 7.3. So I need to add some acidity to my FFoF soil. Just a lil bit so I can get it down. Any suggestions? Obviously I shouldnt add lime.

Hmm strange that it is 7.3 not good for seedling but probably tollerable for flowering.

At this point my experience leaves me and you need professional help with the pH, i know products like elemental sulphur etc etc may reduce the pH but not if there is lime in the soil! This is a tricky situation, i dont hear of it with other foxfarm growers. I would take advice of some other foxfarm growers before transplant, i wonder A: If there soil is the same pH and B: If they bother or do anything to lower it. Maybe Foxfarms are adding too much lime to the mix or you got a bad batch, mine test 6.3 straight out of the bag. Most soils should be just under pH7. Lime would be bad here.

Seek advice of some foxfarm pros, im sure they dont have the problem or dont bother with it.

What was the pH of the water you used to get the runoff?