Uberknot
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LOL that will just make people vote to legalize it.
Should I be freaking out?
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LOL that will just make people vote to legalize it.
A.K.A. Overgrowem
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You may be overestimating the sense of the American peeps
Uberknot
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Not at all I think people are tired of the war on pot as there are much better things to spend money on.
As a matter of fact right now every ballot measure is winning for legalization.
More Americans think it should be Legal completely Nationally.
It's only a matter of time.
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A.K.A. Overgrowem
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I do not expect Kansas, Oklahoma, or Idaho, to legalize in my lifetime. When they do it will be from surrounding state supply and homegrow product/arrests.
Uberknot
Well-Known Member
If the fed says it's legal they can't do a damn thing about it.
Do you remember the gay marriage issue?
And how that flipped almost instantly nationwide?
This is what happens when a Country becomes more progressive....sure you'll have states who try to fight it....but They will have to give in whether they like it or not. That's what will happen eventually.
Lordhooha
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I'll say this I'm originally from Louisiana and I know ole governors Bobby has started the transition to at least allow for medical use although it's very restrictive it's a start. Once one or two of the Bible Belt states fall in line the rest will follow. Kansas and Oklahoma are on the bill to vote for medical use this November I even got my mom willing to vote for it in oklahoma so I would bet you'll see before you kill over unless your knocking on deaths door ATM. Let stay positive!
A.K.A. Overgrowem
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Gotta disagree Ub..Believe where gay marriage was concerned Supremes ruled Fed. law "occupied the field". Where ganj. is concerned, thanks to some long ago obscure Supreme Court decision on issues unrelated to weed, things are not set up that way. The Fed. does not "occupy the field" Thus the states can de-authorize their arrest-able pot offenses, and structure programs in med, hemp, and rec.. The Fed can order state and local cops to arrest peeps for breaking Fed. law but they must be tried in Fed. court (Cali med dispensaries) and housed in Fed prison, or the Fed must pay the state or private enterprise for housing the prisoner. As state borders link up like Wash and Oregon the only areas the Feds. will have any real clout will be taxes, banking ( that will change), and border control between states. They can order people arrested but that person is 100% on the Fed. tab. The opposite is also true, Fed sez legal, a state can say no. Doubt I'm 100% correct but that is the nub of the Fed. and weed.
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farmasensist
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I saw a story a few years ago where they were watched people go into stores, then went to their house and found tea leaves in the garbage and got a warrant. When they searched the house the people were actually growing tomatoes. I think the police still tried to charge them with dope growing and endangering kids. Then they find out both the parents who lived there are retired CIA so the charges got dropped.
There was also a guy in Georgia who got arrested for growing okra because the cop thought it was marijuana.
The smart cops will just leave you alone if you don't bother anyone. Unless you do something stupid like grow okra or throw away tea leaves, then your screwed.
A.K.A. Overgrowem
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"smart cops"...HAHAHAHAHAHA....
Cx2H
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"Do the cops do this?" Since the 80's bruh. Follow homes, credit records, power bills, ghetto birds, Knock and talks, No knocks etc..
First Rule of Weed Club: Cash Only!
Second Rule: Never leave a trail or path back to the OP, if in hostile lands.
Third Rule: Have Cookies and Pizza in supply.
Fourth Rule: Donate to FOP. ;-p
Uberknot
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Actually if the fed says it's legal states cant say jack unless it is written in law they have an option by the united states government. This is where the supreme court gets involved and a state ends up losing. Like I said there will be fights and some states who try to resist, but they are part of the United States of America in the end.
Uberknot
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley-daunt/state-vs-federal-law-who-_b_4676579.html
State vs. Federal Law: Who Really Holds the Trump Card?
Gay marriage, medical marijauna, recreational marijauna, immigration... the list goes on and on of laws that are supposed to be decided state by state. Yes, you may say, “Well they are.” Truth is, no they aren’t.
There are two basic levels in the U.S legal system: federal law and state law. A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state.
If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail. This means state law will always supersede federal law when the person in question stands to gain more from the state law, right?
Wrong. The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what’s known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation. Basically, if a federal and state law contradict, then when you’re in the state you can follow the state law, but the feds can decide to stop you. When there is a conflict between a state law and federal law, it is the federal law that prevails. For example, if a federal regulation prohibits the use of medical marijuana, but a state regulation allows it, the federal law prevails.
Confused as to what really happens when state and federal laws clash? Let’s take gay marriage for instance. The Supreme Court recently announced that it would be hearing two cases involving same sex marriage, both of which have implications for states’ rights to recognize same sex marriage. The decisions will almost certainly effect what role states can play in recognizing same sex marriage. Even President Obama has said that states and states alone should decide whether same sex marriage is legal within their borders. As of now there are 17 states that recognize same-sex marriage and 33 states that have a ban against it.
So, does federal law recognize same-sex marriage?
Yes. The federal government must now recognize valid same-sex marriages according to the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 26, 2013 decision in U.S. v. Windsor. This decision cleared the way for same-sex married couples to receive federal benefits. Yet not all facets of the federal government adhere to that. The IRS recognizes same-sex marriage as married under all federal tax provisions where marriage is a factor. The Social Security Administration however, only recognizes marriages that are valid in the state where the couple lives for the purposes of granting federal benefits. This means if you’re in a same-sex marriage but live in a non-recognition state, you aren’t eligible for Social Security benefits on your spouse’s work record.
Lets move onto my favorite subject, pot. At the federal level there is the Controlled Substances Act, which classifies marijuana as a Schedule I substance. This act considers pot to have a high potential for dependency and no accepted medical use, making distribution of marijuana a federal offense. In October of 2009, the Obama Administration sent a memo to federal prosecutors encouraging them not to prosecute people who distribute marijuana for medical purposes in accordance with state law. So what happens when you get caught with the green bud in a state that allows it (for now let’s say medicinally)?
We can look at the case of Gerald Duval Jr. Duval claims he is on the frontlines of the war over medical marijuana. Michigan, Duval’s home, allows the farming and use of medical marijuana. Duval Jr. thought his Michigan pot farm was protected under state law — then the feds came. Now, he will soon serve a 10-year prison sentence for breaking the U.S. government’s marijuana regulations. How can this even be fair?
Well, this my friends is how I see it... it’s the “go ask your mother” law. Regress back into your childhood and think of your father as the state law and your mother as the federal law. You want to go to a party and stay out a little later past your curfew. Your father (state) says yes but your mother (federal) says no. Who ultimately has the final say?
“Go ask your mother.”
State vs. Federal Law: Who Really Holds the Trump Card?
Gay marriage, medical marijauna, recreational marijauna, immigration... the list goes on and on of laws that are supposed to be decided state by state. Yes, you may say, “Well they are.” Truth is, no they aren’t.
There are two basic levels in the U.S legal system: federal law and state law. A federal law applies to the nation as a whole and to all 50 states whereas state laws are only in effect within that particular state.
If a state law gives people more rights than a federal law, the state law is legally supposed to prevail. This means state law will always supersede federal law when the person in question stands to gain more from the state law, right?
Wrong. The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what’s known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation. Basically, if a federal and state law contradict, then when you’re in the state you can follow the state law, but the feds can decide to stop you. When there is a conflict between a state law and federal law, it is the federal law that prevails. For example, if a federal regulation prohibits the use of medical marijuana, but a state regulation allows it, the federal law prevails.
Confused as to what really happens when state and federal laws clash? Let’s take gay marriage for instance. The Supreme Court recently announced that it would be hearing two cases involving same sex marriage, both of which have implications for states’ rights to recognize same sex marriage. The decisions will almost certainly effect what role states can play in recognizing same sex marriage. Even President Obama has said that states and states alone should decide whether same sex marriage is legal within their borders. As of now there are 17 states that recognize same-sex marriage and 33 states that have a ban against it.
So, does federal law recognize same-sex marriage?
Yes. The federal government must now recognize valid same-sex marriages according to the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 26, 2013 decision in U.S. v. Windsor. This decision cleared the way for same-sex married couples to receive federal benefits. Yet not all facets of the federal government adhere to that. The IRS recognizes same-sex marriage as married under all federal tax provisions where marriage is a factor. The Social Security Administration however, only recognizes marriages that are valid in the state where the couple lives for the purposes of granting federal benefits. This means if you’re in a same-sex marriage but live in a non-recognition state, you aren’t eligible for Social Security benefits on your spouse’s work record.
Lets move onto my favorite subject, pot. At the federal level there is the Controlled Substances Act, which classifies marijuana as a Schedule I substance. This act considers pot to have a high potential for dependency and no accepted medical use, making distribution of marijuana a federal offense. In October of 2009, the Obama Administration sent a memo to federal prosecutors encouraging them not to prosecute people who distribute marijuana for medical purposes in accordance with state law. So what happens when you get caught with the green bud in a state that allows it (for now let’s say medicinally)?
We can look at the case of Gerald Duval Jr. Duval claims he is on the frontlines of the war over medical marijuana. Michigan, Duval’s home, allows the farming and use of medical marijuana. Duval Jr. thought his Michigan pot farm was protected under state law — then the feds came. Now, he will soon serve a 10-year prison sentence for breaking the U.S. government’s marijuana regulations. How can this even be fair?
Well, this my friends is how I see it... it’s the “go ask your mother” law. Regress back into your childhood and think of your father as the state law and your mother as the federal law. You want to go to a party and stay out a little later past your curfew. Your father (state) says yes but your mother (federal) says no. Who ultimately has the final say?
“Go ask your mother.”
whitebb2727
Well-Known Member
It happens. Depends on where you live. That woman wont get anything for it.
A man in Florida beat charges for growing by claiming medical. Its not a medical state. At the time it wasn't.
I'm just saying that going to a hydro shop wont get you busted. If they followed and kicked in doors of everyone that went to a grow shop they would have a lot of law suites.
All the op has to do is keep their mouth shut. There is no way even with a smart meter they will know what the op is doing.
whitebb2727
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This site strips exif data on photos.
I fudge the truth a little. Like I say I live in KY. I was raised there but live in another state. I was in the military and say on here I was in the AF. I was in a different branch.
Things like that.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
i love to use the m8 thing.. i've had more than a few people on here say to me that they thought i was a brit as a result, lol..