STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

FootClan said:

lol um seems you know nothing..... I didnt say ANYTHING about plants not needing UVB you dumb ass.....I said that MH dosent give off that much UVB then i went on to say that the very little UVB that comes out of a MH bulb will be further filterd by the glass in the air cooled hood..... So before you jump in talking stupid you should try RE- reading what i wrote ........ I know all about UVB rays and what it does for plants and how it can improve THC but not CBD..

THE POINT OF MY RESPONSE WAS TO IMFORM PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT GET ALOT OF UVB RAYS FROM A MH BULB AND IF YOU ARE USING A AIR COOLED HOOD WITH GLASS YOU GET ALMOST NO UVB RAYS......... I WASNT saying that plants dont need UVB rays......... Congrats you just earned dumbest post of the day!!

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Damn... You sounds like a jerk...

what Carne said, you get what you pay for. Each panel was probably like 40$? Rofl, Go get yourself a GOOD LED and you will love them. My 240w blackstar is decent quality LED for the price. I'm very happy with it, it works really good.

Nikolaj06 said:

Damn... You sounds like a jerk...

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actually his first post directed at me sounded like a jerk....... i was just responding to his jerkeryness with my own.... He clearly said in his first sentence.... " you know nothing" and thats not sounding like a jerk?? your a jerk for butting in and saying i sound like a jerk when its more then clear that he fuckin started it but im the jerk and not him?? no no you fail for being bias and lop-sided in your remark..... You could have said you both sound like a jerk but no you had to single me out when its was obivious he was just as jerky as me....... Dont call me out and think im not going to resopnd with logic......your comment is bias so it means nothing.....

FootClan said:

dude you cant argue LEDs with LED growers you jus cant do it.....Its like debating religion with a religions person it dosent matter what you say religious person will always counter your debate with stuff like its "faith" you just have to have faith that all ..... just like you cant argue led with an LED user for some reason they are the most snobby stubern growers out here..... so trying to convience them of ANYTHING other then what they think is just a waste of typing .....No amount of common sense or logic will have any effect of them what so ever.......ive already learned this and now except it...Cant change it and they curtinly arent going to change there minds so why even debate it.... theres no debate when only one side is debating....

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Why dont you read all my comments before jumping in ? i have used both - my comments are sensible and i will debate what i like....

FootClan said:

lol um seems you know nothing..... I didnt say ANYTHING about plants not needing UVB you dumb ass.....I said that MH dosent give off that much UVB then i went on to say that the very little UVB that comes out of a MH bulb will be further filterd by the glass in the air cooled hood..... So before you jump in talking stupid you should try RE- reading what i wrote ........ I know all about UVB rays and what it does for plants and how it can improve THC but not CBD..

THE POINT OF MY RESPONSE WAS TO IMFORM PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT GET ALOT OF UVB RAYS FROM A MH BULB AND IF YOU ARE USING A AIR COOLED HOOD WITH GLASS YOU GET ALMOST NO UVB RAYS......... I WASNT saying that plants dont need UVB rays......... Congrats you just earned dumbest post of the day!!

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Lmfao dumbest post of the day? wow Mr my mommy doesnt pay any attention to me so i come onto the forum and wave my Epenis around and try to look cool.... thats a Big claim from someone like you.

BTW what you ACTUALY said was

FootClan said:

the amount of UVB that you get from a MH is not hat much and if you use a hood with a glass its almost completetly filtered out......

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and if you take the Context you put it Into "UV Lights, Thus LED Lights are BAD for you", the context means you were saying a MH was better than LED because it has no UV/B lighting.

on the Contrary, LED's are actualy BETTER than MH on that factor, UV/B Lighting. i have to add 2 aditional bulbs, per Square meter to actualy equal the suns UV/B Spectrum in my MH and HPS rooms.

P.S: Next time you try and argue with me, actualy present something legitimate.... dont just spam "NO THIS R WHAT I DID".

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i was just responding to his jerkeryness with my own

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I eat Jerkys like you for breakfast. Learn English.....please.....

Beef Jerky for Breakfast lol

Clonex said:

Beef Jerky for Breakfast lol

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im canadian. Jerky and Beer, its what lumberjacks live on....

Corbat420 said:

im canadian. Jerky and Beer, its what lumberjacks live on....

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Remembering Greg Moore rip , that dark day in California,Fontana 1999 i will never forget ...
Peace!

I think that if your gonna spend thousands on a light id get a plasma they have crazy spectrum leds i would use ontop of my hids for flowering to help with them sticky buddies leds have all that precision spectrum i think everyone should just install solar panels n cal it a day or fuk with 5k build a green house. i only read 7 pages and cant read anymore what with this huge argument and who was that fuck rowing only 1 plant of 3 led fixtures what the fuck? and I'm sure a closet grower would wanna go hps i mean they are cheap n they are amazing i think closet grows mostly come to cost but if i had 3000+ to spend on lighting id either get plasma or a shit load of hps and metal halide but as it stands i dont have much money to throw down so im gonna buy another hps ballast or get a cmh next

Well,

It didn't take long for another LED titled thread to turn to shit. Prior to this bombardment, we were actually having a reasonable discussion. Then, it's he's a jerk, you're a jerk, he's a bigger jerk, you like to jerk, jam it, ram it, cram it , slam it. Holy fuck guys. It's a fucking light! What's up with all this "you said I said this, but I really said that, so you're a bigger jerk". My god. You kids enjoy this sandbox. I'm gone.

collective gardener said:

Well,

It didn't take long for another LED titled thread to turn to shit. Prior to this bombardment, we were actually having a reasonable discussion. Then, it's he's a jerk, you're a jerk, he's a bigger jerk, you like to jerk, jam it, ram it, cram it , slam it. Holy fuck guys. It's a fucking light! What's up with all this "you said I said this, but I really said that, so you're a bigger jerk". My god. You kids enjoy this sandbox. I'm gone.

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It makes me sick , some people were actually enjoying the useful information and found it useful. Why must people Online behave like they are back in 3rd grade.

foot clan has done that to pretty much every led thread on this site. Still, this was one of the better discussions I've shared. Still pretty easy to read if you add him to your ignore list.

how is this better this was terrible not even 3 mosts in n it turned to shitstorm this is only 4 days old max with 14 solid pages of trash talk much better threads have had only 2 pages. its appalling to the internet. for shame.
but aside from that seriously cant find even this many pages about thai sticks people need to do more of that
anyone know a good usb microscope it can have leds if u like

it was a somewhat civil back and forth for about the first five pages. Read most of the other led threads, they usually turn into an orgy of ad hominem attacks much quicker. Some Santa and MI-5 autoflowers I grew LED only seed to harvest attached in case anyone is still reading. I don't know if leds are ready for commercial application as I'm a hobby closet gardener. They're certainly ready for small batch growers

I just cut four autos that averaged 1.5 oz per plant and took 64 days to go from seed to nuggets. If I were to sell this it would easily cover the investment I made when switching to led from hps. View attachment 1804882View attachment 1804883

looks real nice hoss, well done.... i have no dog in this fight..i have never used led....i am just seeing too many led grows with a nice yield and very good quality..keep in mind these people are using technology from a year ago..there are better lights that come out each year..i believe in 13 months when i get rid of my hids i can buy some very good lights that will equal or surpass my 1000 watters that draw too many amps and give off a very dry intense heat

Mine are, with the exclusion of two older ufo lights, all 2011 3w chipset lamps from GLH and Hydroponics Hut. You're right the tech has grown leaps and bounds since the 1w diode 90w ufo, which never should have been advertised as a replacement for a 400w hid. I have a 250w chipset Pro-Grow from Hydro Hut - that would replace a 400w hps no problem.
2012 should be an interesting year for leds as I've heard most of the major players are going to 5w diodes in the not too distant future. Should start to eliminate a lot of the hate going around, some of which I believe is totally justified given the unscrupulous advertising some companies have employed to make a quick buck. What I can't believe is that some people are still spending money on the 225 diode 14w panels - those have done nothing but fuel the troll rage and piss off a lot of gardeners.

2012 should be an interesting year for leds as I've heard most of the major players are going to 5w diodes in the not too distant future

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i've been thinking the same thing. if i have any hope at all it will be with this light right here: http://bcledlights.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=224 800 Watt, 160x 5W LED panel.

i still have a feeling that it wont be quite as good as HPS for flowering, but it might just do the trick...... i know for a FACT that these new LED's are going to blow everything else away when it comes to Vegetative growth. if it has the penetration power of a 1000 Watt light then nothing will touch this thing...... but i dont have $2000 to spend on one light

that looks like a nice light but that is the reason i do not have leds...2 thousand dollars for a light that covers 4 foot by 4 foot...so basically equals a 600 watt hid..the price has to come down to 800 or 1000 for me to buy that light

thats the main reason i think 2012 will be a better year for LED's, they will show if they are truly worth there money next year, when the price of alot of these models comes down to an affordable price.....

Corso312 said:

that looks like a nice light but that is the reason i do not have leds...2 thousand dollars for a light that covers 4 foot by 4 foot...so basically equals a 600 watt hid..the price has to come down to 800 or 1000 for me to buy that light

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This is exactly my stance , i have a large area to light up , i have even looked into haveing some panels on runners and using them as side lighting , but its either a 2000$ panel that works or the other crap that dont do the job, Hoss makes alot of sense with his comments , we all want the benefits leds obviously bring , 1 - i cant afford 8000 bucks 2 - i dont feel i will get the coverage ...