Straights only water fountain
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twostrokenut
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Blame the South bigot, its all their fault even though the bigotry is actually happening near you, not them.
Ron Paul's economics certainly are saving your ass in your own back yard, talk about TWO FACED.
Ron Paul will save us?
Markets free from government interference and regulation might, sure saves your sorry ass.
kpmarine
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Going from that, which we both seem to agree on, how is this an exercise of religious beliefs if they can be clearly demonstrated to not line up with their own scriptures?
UncleBuck
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twostrokenut
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I can demonstrate to you how to ride a motorcycle all day long, wont make you a rider....even if I clearly demonstrate, it will take actual practice. You may not remove a belief by demonstrating your belief that the other belief is false, the believer must convince themselves, and remove it themselves.
Just as I believe a Fed Note is not a dollar and can prove for a fact it is not....won't change your mind if you believe in "full faith and credit" that it is.
Because that's not up to you to interpret. You might argue the same with any religious belief, including going out in "service" as the Witnesses do.
Still does not change the fact you have a right to come up and knock on someone's door unless the gate is closed, and you have the right to tell them to fuck off.
twostrokenut
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my work here is done.
Buh bye smiling Samsquwantch!
jahbrudda
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I'm Clayton, then sometimes I'm Echelon, after that I'm Beenthere, once in a while I'm Aussie and then Finsomething.
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kpmarine
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When your bible says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." it is pretty demonstrable that your beliefs do not line up with your scripture by denying one sinner service over another. It's not an issue of religious belief; it's an issue of bigotry while cherry picking scriptures to condemn what you do not like. A religious belief and a belief you have that you vaguely use scripture to support are not on the same level. That's inconsistency, and an inconsistent belief is hypocrisy.
For the record, "you" is a hypothetical term here. I have no clue what religion you may or may not hold to.
jahbrudda
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Think of it in terms of a liberal democrat and claiming tolerance, sounds like a good standard to live by, but it's not a reality.
twostrokenut
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I hold no religion and realize we are just killing time here which is why you might just say "the" bible instead of "your" bible then an explanation sentence.
Lets not forget that to cast the stone was to murder in condemnation and judgement, not to deny service based on belief or conviction.
Lets also not forget I never said it was a good legal argument, only a religious one.......to which the proprietors may figure out a legal work around next time....other states are already doing work arounds according to buck and his links.
Lets not forget about all the violent activism that ensued afterwards.
Lets not forget the bakers may also avoid fines if they renounce their religious conviction, fucking ironic right there.
Lets not forget that to cast the stone was to murder in condemnation and judgement, not to deny service based on belief or conviction.
Lets also not forget I never said it was a good legal argument, only a religious one.......to which the proprietors may figure out a legal work around next time....other states are already doing work arounds according to buck and his links.
Lets not forget about all the violent activism that ensued afterwards.
Lets not forget the bakers may also avoid fines if they renounce their religious conviction, fucking ironic right there.
kpmarine
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The bible is stunningly clear in it's message that they are to neither persecute nor judge those who disagree. I'm saying that a religious argument should not hold water for the sake of "religious freedom" without demonstrable consistency. If I can't call my pastafarian beliefs religion, then people who make up new ways to completely ignore massive swaths of their scripture deserve the same. If you're not consistent, then it's a discrimination issue not a religious one. If your messiah tells you not to judge, then you're not actually practicing your religion when you pass judgement.
To my knowledge, there was no violent action, but there was threats. Resorting to threats of death over something that didn't cause physical harm is a truly reprehensible thing to me. However, it lend no more validity to the bakery owner's position in my mind.
As far as religious convictions go, there is a handy window in christianity to avoid these problems: "Do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you.". The son of god was pretty clear about not treating people differently on account of beliefs.
To my knowledge, there was no violent action, but there was threats. Resorting to threats of death over something that didn't cause physical harm is a truly reprehensible thing to me. However, it lend no more validity to the bakery owner's position in my mind.
As far as religious convictions go, there is a handy window in christianity to avoid these problems: "Do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you.". The son of god was pretty clear about not treating people differently on account of beliefs.
UncleBuck
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i'm not religious, but....the bible, the bible, stop persecuting us thumpers, the bible.
there, i condensed your message to its essential elements.
SCARHOLE
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I don't know as much about gays
I'd thank the baker Should choose if he wants to x rated make gay porn cake?
id be he'd have made them a normal cake?
What if a straight couple wanted a large penis an butthole penetration cake from him.
Id bet the religious Old guy would have refused them also?
Im Suprized this baker wassent jailed for hate Crimes.
( not thinking how the left wants him to.)
Why not take sexual rights to the next level dems , letting child molesters have sex an get married an animal sex an marriage.
Do you consider yourself biggots for not fighting for their sexual an civil rights?
I'd thank the baker Should choose if he wants to x rated make gay porn cake?
id be he'd have made them a normal cake?
What if a straight couple wanted a large penis an butthole penetration cake from him.
Id bet the religious Old guy would have refused them also?
Im Suprized this baker wassent jailed for hate Crimes.
( not thinking how the left wants him to.)
Why not take sexual rights to the next level dems , letting child molesters have sex an get married an animal sex an marriage.
Do you consider yourself biggots for not fighting for their sexual an civil rights?
kpmarine
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I rarely engage in personal evaluations around here, but you are a fucking idiot.
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jahbrudda
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You brought up a very valid point, odds are, the old bible thumper would have turned down making any kind of sexually explicit cake.
kpmarine
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Let's ignore the part where he equates fucking children with fucking a consenting adult...
jahbrudda
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Ignoring one point does not negate another, wouldn't you agree?
kpmarine
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It invalidates any sort of capability to make a reasonable decision if you can't differentiate between a goat and a consenting human.
jahbrudda
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To be fair, I could say the same about you. You are totally ignoring the fact that the old baker probably wouldn't have made a sexually explicit for a heterosexual couple.
