TAG Aeroponic Vertical grow design

I'm truly interested on LP/HP "TAG" system designing and have built a few Frankensteins of my own to get a hold on it, I pretty much get must of the theory but when combined with vertical growing it's entering new territory at least one that's not been widely discussed on the web like other methods have. Web/book research of 4 years only took me this far into LP/HP Aero systems. I came up with a solution which really excites me as the potential could be huge.

The design I'm talking about could be the best resources/yield making system ever made, I'm talking about 4GPW at least and given my Idea is not completely idiotic it should be achieveable. That's 4X normal yield BUT using the same space, same lights,CO2, in the same or different flower cycles "S.O.G-wise".

Credits to freemangreens @ gardenWeb village forums who showed me plants could successfully grow hanging vertically and his clever design also inspired must of mine. More to come I'm gonna draw the whole thing in atuoCAD to attract subscribers with fancy stuff.

Here's a picture of his system:

Interesting. I'd like to see more on this. Thanks.

Please keep us posted. I'll be interested in how it works because I thought it was pretty ingenious. But when I showed it to a friend, well let's just say I think he's probably still laughing. We both marveled at your design but his feeling was that the heavy vegging and flowering plants would probably end up breaking off at the base. I grow tomatoes upside down but I've never thought of doing it with Mary Jane. Pretty cool.

I want the best WPG possible, as we all and I need it to be easy to maintain and move around, No media (This is critical to me), and of course sturdy enough to handle heavy use.

My design consists of four sealing mounted "curtains" of hanging PVC tubes surrounding 2 stacked 1kW bulbs. Each "wall/courting" will hold 5 tubes with 6 plant pots each making it 30 plants per "wall" @ 1oz per plant worst case scenario 1.5Lib/wall so If doable I'd be able to S.O.G that much weed every two weeks per tower.

I'll have to sacrifice one tube to provide entrance to the ganjah tower. Since the whole structure is hanging I can use a frame/fence/grid or anything I can think of if I want to "shape" my canopy, plus modules of design "A" can be rotated on its own axis so I could actually fine tune each plant to a sweet spot angle. I'm already working in a solution to make an unclog-able drain to hose for each tube so no actual reservoirs have to be on the bottom of the grow getting heat from the lights and taking precious vertical space.

I would also build an identical system for veg ready to transport when it's time to flower as I read that you need to do some vegging so the plant stem adapts into growing vertically but certainty haven't figured all the details yet specially regarding the ones of water flow, preassure and drainage. Although I already assembled my first test model and plan to first run it on Monday.

OK so this are my first drawings, LETS CRACK THIS UP!!

Please keep us posted. I'll be interested in how it works because I thought it was pretty ingenious. But when I showed it to a friend, well let's just say I think he's probably still laughing. We both marveled at your design but his feeling was that the heavy vegging and flowering plants would probably end up breaking off at the base. I grow tomatoes upside down but I've never thought of doing it with Mary Jane. Pretty cool.

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I thought of that too and newton's 2nd law provided. I just had to transfer all the weight using gravity and you can get that by generating tension, Long screw on the bottom, and in the top module a wire through each meeting on the Y and problem solved. I wont be able to move the "pivots" but the ones in between could be rotated for more flexibility.



I could also tie it to the floor for more stability/shape-ability. They could be hanged to light movers... the sky is literally the limit. The wire or long screw could provide tiding points for the plants too for LST...

This would be the layout

http://www.waleapparatus.com/index.asp?category=18738

Check this out for custom DIY cooltubes.

I'm currently stuck on lighting and canopy size, if the chart bellow is right my desired radio is darn stupid. I really need to understand how lights "candela" works for vertical grows, would it be the same but with certain side angles? like at 80° light would be 0.7 less efficient..So what would be the optimum vertical RANGE measured in area and both angles >|<?....

According to the table above given generous angles the heat map should look something like this:

Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKuarHkpbs it's freaking insane!!! I'll be using 600 Watters as well after seeing this. Next week I'll be popping my seeds although I'd really appreciate any kind of input to brush up the details for the trial big scale design. Test model doing awesome btw but that was to be expected, the real challenge will be flowering at least 3 plants per row.

Raises hand. "excuse me sir, may I please use the washroom"


(Interesting to say the least, however I've found that simple drawings rather then charts and graphs go a long way with the general demo here @ RIU)

Personally; I am very much looking forward to this coming to fruition.

From a first time grower this is awesome!! Will definitely be checking back!!

I changed the whole system and designed a new one inspired on Amazing heath's, he just reminded my the beauty of simplicity and to think green first soo +Rep.. if I only knew how that thing works.

If I wanted seeds to make this happen I would've got B'sF LSD, GHS Super Lemon Haze, WoS Afgan Kush x White widow, and Attitude would've been great as always and throw in for free: Lemon Skunk, Sour Cream, Silver Haze, RP Kandy Kush, G13 Blueberry Gum and G13 Pineapple Express, they would want variety for my test. Sadly this is for design only purposes.

I'll be uploading 3d Renders of my new design soon, is the room real? does it exist? omg is that christian boy growing pot? could it be?, Not until I manage to move to California I keep saying to my self, or Sodomy as for my mother corrects...

Your vertical system is well thought out, good for clones, but not mature plants. In order to design a proper mj growing system you need to first understand what makes mj's root system, and what doesn't.

The roots will be as long and bushy as the plant. The farther from this your set up is more likely you will have problems 3-4 weeks into flower, where pythium (root rot), fungus, and bug infestations are likely to develop. TAG pods provide large volume root areas, with plenty of space around each root which is critical once you flip and the large ball develops to feed the bud sites.

Damn, that sucks........this thread got me all hot and bothered at the start and then kinda flamed out.

OP, if you're interested in designing a true vert SOG utilizing HP aero, give me a holler..........I have a system that's close, but it's 4" PVC which would need to be upgraded to at least 8" (more likely 12") to have a chance.

There's some other ways to do it as well, still doing research.

Hey thanks for the posts . I've been looking to vertical SOG but have had no luck locating anyone with true knowledge .If you've got time i'd love to hear design ideas ffrom u guys

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Hey thanks for the posts . I've been looking to vertical SOG but have had no luck locating anyone with true knowledge .If you've got time i'd love to hear design ideas ffrom u guys

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Not sure if I have "true knowledge", but I run an HP aero vert SOG if you wanted to talk some turkey.