The I word
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7xstall
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i know exactly the woman you're talking about dank, Sean Hannity tore her down on their show. she's a very evil person and her "church" is patronized only by family members...
dankciti
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shery sumthing, sounds like that i think.
medicineman
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med, spell check would not have helped as you spelled the wrong word correctly...
Ha, ha....I was in the Navy.. a few decades ago....wow, time flies!
But you are still a little older than me....lol
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And a little wiser I'd say! You need to open your mind up to more possibilities than the narrow path you see. There might be some truth that you are missing, like this war is being fought for profit. Taking the G.W. path is pretty narrow and will be proved to be wrong in the future, It might behoove you to get on board now, hurry the truth train is leaving the station!
Ha, ha....I was in the Navy.. a few decades ago....wow, time flies!
But you are still a little older than me....lol
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And a little wiser I'd say! You need to open your mind up to more possibilities than the narrow path you see. There might be some truth that you are missing, like this war is being fought for profit. Taking the G.W. path is pretty narrow and will be proved to be wrong in the future, It might behoove you to get on board now, hurry the truth train is leaving the station!
7xstall
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what's that got to do with the vitriolic, hateful, wicked talk coming out of the mouths of so many dems on the extreme left?
and yes, i've read part of the PRIVATE LETTER that Jefferson wrote to Baptists regarding keeping the GVNMNT OUT OF CHURCH AFFAIRS. i have not seen Bush telling anyone how to worship as the kings of Britain did so long ago..you should be more aware of the connotations of this letter than we are, given your history.
7xstall
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yeah, that lady's sick. she doesn't know what she's doing.
medicineman
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Tell me about rush limbaugh, sean hannity, mike medvid Those guys foam at the mouth when they talk, and make about as much sense as you, Nonsense.
i was going to read this whole thread but i don't have to... from the first few posts i get the idea... All poloticians are liars and cheats or at least almost all of them... they have their own agenda and don't care about you VI you MEDICINE or any of the rest of us... Hillarly Clinton is a big Dem for instance and she just votes with the poles she has no mind of her own and just does what she has to to get the power she thinks she so rightly deserves... Bush does whatever he wants to but at least he has a mind of his own democrats are the most easily brainwashed people on the Earth with republicans not far behind... The parties don't mean shit... the people have the real power we are just to brainwashed to realize it... It doesn't really matter who you vote for dem or rep... we the people are screwed either way... until you get some average guy in there that cares about the general public we are fucked!!!
7xstall
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we pretty much agree frthnk. dems tend to vilify and detest anyone in their ranks who doesn't sing the party song..atleast, as you hint, reps are a diverse group..
how can you prevent people from voting based on showmanship and start voting for substance and real convictions?
how can you prevent people from voting based on showmanship and start voting for substance and real convictions?
medicineman
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Please tell me Bushs' plan in Iraq. remember 70+% of the American people are against it, but what is his plan? I hardly think since he's started a civil war there and killed 50,000-800,000 iraqis that he is there for humanitarian measures. Please explain the reasons behind his Iraq policys.
heymo85
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personal family agenda.this part i agree with you med theres no reason for us to be there.if we have a rep. were at war..have a dem $10 gas prices so were fucked either way.
ViRedd
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Uhhh ... 50,000 to 800,000? That's a pretty wide spread there Med. Perhaps you should check the accuracy of your sources.
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medicineman
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Thats the problem. some sources claim 800,000+ and others claim 50,000+, I'd guess somewhere around 250,000 as I don't believe either one. either way, it's too many! So why are we still there, Sadam is fucking dead! Either it's for the oil or Bushs' pride and neither are worth one more dead American.
medicineman
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IMAGES OF IRAN YOU WILL NOT SEE ON THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA
There are to be sure some dissedent factions in Iran, some evil people that for religious beliefs would cut off our heads, but on the other hand there are a few million people, who just like you and I want to be left alone to pursue their dreams, millions of innocent women and children that need to live and I'm willing to believe a few good men. Just as the Muslim radicals think all Americans are evil, Bush has declared all Iranians Evil and the Enemy. We as a nation need to start a dialog with these nations and make concessions to benefit us both. War is not the answer. Intelligent conversation is. To demonize all people of any nation is Evil in and of itself. This president (Bush) has set world peace back 50+ years. There is some kind of mindset that says any enemy of Israel is an enemy of ours. I am not anti-semetic in any way, but I feel that making enemys on Israels behalf doesn't suit this country well. Israel has adequate means of defending itself and doesn't need us to provide that protective umbrella. If Israel is attacked by Iran then I'm sure we would help, but we don't need to be their enemys meanwhile. All this rhetoric that you see on TV by the right is designed to promote war and brainwash the public into believing all Iranians are evil. This is a lie! P.S. Watch the video clip ten times as a mind cleanser. Maybe the sight of those little girls will stir some emotion in you!
ViRedd
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"Bush has declared all Iranians Evil and the Enemy."
Nice spin piece, Med ... but Bush has certainly NOT declared any such thing. He has said on many occasions that the Iranian people are a peaceable people who are being led by a government that is hell-bent on destruction.
Here's just one example:
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
June 16, 2005
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT:
In recent months, the cause of freedom has made enormous gains in the broader Middle East. Millions of people in Afghanistan and Iraq defied terrorists to cast their ballots in free elections. Palestinians voted for a new president who rejects violence and is working for democratic reform, and the people of Lebanon reclaimed their sovereignty and are now voting for new leadership. Across the Middle East, hopeful change is taking place. People are claiming their liberty. And as a tide of freedom sweeps this region, it will also come eventually to Iran.
The Iranian people are heirs to a great civilization - and they deserve a government that honors their ideals and unleashes their talent and creativity. Today, Iran is ruled by men who suppress liberty at home and spread terror across the world. Power is in the hands of an unelected few who have retained power through an electoral process that ignores the basic requirements of democracy.
The June 17th presidential elections are sadly consistent with this oppressive record. Iran's rulers denied more than a thousand people who put themselves forward as candidates, including popular reformers and women who have done so much for the cause of freedom and democracy in Iran.
The Iranian people deserve a genuinely democratic system in which elections are honest - and in which their leaders answer to them instead of the other way around. The Iranian people deserve a truly free and democratic society with a vibrant free press that informs the public and ensures transparency. They deserve freedom of assembly, so Iranians can gather and press for reform and a peaceful, loyal opposition can keep the government in check. They deserve a free economy that delivers opportunity and prosperity and economic independence from the state. They deserve an independent judiciary that will guarantee the rule of law and ensure equal justice for all Iranians. And they deserve a system that guarantees religious freedom, so that they can build a society in which compassion and tolerance prevail.
Today, the Iranian regime denies all these rights. It shuts down independent newspapers and websites and jails those who dare to challenge the corrupt system. It brutalizes its people and denies them their liberty.
America believes in the independence and territorial integrity of Iran. America believes in the right of the Iranian people to make their own decisions and determine their own future. America believes that freedom is the birthright and deep desire of every human soul. And to the Iranian people, I say: As you stand for your own liberty, the people of America stand with you.
(end text)
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: USINFO - The United States Department of State)
Vi
Nice spin piece, Med ... but Bush has certainly NOT declared any such thing. He has said on many occasions that the Iranian people are a peaceable people who are being led by a government that is hell-bent on destruction.
Here's just one example:
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
June 16, 2005
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT:
In recent months, the cause of freedom has made enormous gains in the broader Middle East. Millions of people in Afghanistan and Iraq defied terrorists to cast their ballots in free elections. Palestinians voted for a new president who rejects violence and is working for democratic reform, and the people of Lebanon reclaimed their sovereignty and are now voting for new leadership. Across the Middle East, hopeful change is taking place. People are claiming their liberty. And as a tide of freedom sweeps this region, it will also come eventually to Iran.
The Iranian people are heirs to a great civilization - and they deserve a government that honors their ideals and unleashes their talent and creativity. Today, Iran is ruled by men who suppress liberty at home and spread terror across the world. Power is in the hands of an unelected few who have retained power through an electoral process that ignores the basic requirements of democracy.
The June 17th presidential elections are sadly consistent with this oppressive record. Iran's rulers denied more than a thousand people who put themselves forward as candidates, including popular reformers and women who have done so much for the cause of freedom and democracy in Iran.
The Iranian people deserve a genuinely democratic system in which elections are honest - and in which their leaders answer to them instead of the other way around. The Iranian people deserve a truly free and democratic society with a vibrant free press that informs the public and ensures transparency. They deserve freedom of assembly, so Iranians can gather and press for reform and a peaceful, loyal opposition can keep the government in check. They deserve a free economy that delivers opportunity and prosperity and economic independence from the state. They deserve an independent judiciary that will guarantee the rule of law and ensure equal justice for all Iranians. And they deserve a system that guarantees religious freedom, so that they can build a society in which compassion and tolerance prevail.
Today, the Iranian regime denies all these rights. It shuts down independent newspapers and websites and jails those who dare to challenge the corrupt system. It brutalizes its people and denies them their liberty.
America believes in the independence and territorial integrity of Iran. America believes in the right of the Iranian people to make their own decisions and determine their own future. America believes that freedom is the birthright and deep desire of every human soul. And to the Iranian people, I say: As you stand for your own liberty, the people of America stand with you.
(end text)
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: USINFO - The United States Department of State)
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medicineman
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The trouble is Vi, If you start bombing Iran, you'll be killing the people that want our lifestyle. If they could only bomb the assholes, maybe it would be worth it, But in that regard, we need to bomb a few assholes over here also. If we could get rid of all warmongering assholes from all countries, then I'd be for it. But to let assholes from this country bomb Iranians indiscriminately is a big No-No to me! Look how many innocent Iraqis have died from what Bush started over there. Bombing from 35,000 Ft. is not selective bombing
first of all the technology they have makes it pretty damn selective.... you could google military technology and figure that out... secondly talking won't work... 50 years of talking has got us into the situation we are in now... the politicians in office and those who have come before them which were pretty much the same people that came before them and just a little more evil will not change anything....(not all politicians but a lot of them)... the people disagree with the war because they are misled by the media which is controlled by mostly liberals... on the flip side i'm aware that republicans control most of the big business... thats why i'm not on either side... the parties control all the money and the people in them want to help their industry not the people... and as for the war we need to eradicate all of the radicals not because of israel but because they see us just as they see israel... they hate our culture and what america stands for they want to eradicate annihalate destroy us... and i can't make it any clearer then that... and as i believe in a certain balance to the universe the only way to survive destruction is by first destroying that which would destroy you... not by talking to it...