Thoughts on using unground flower for cannabutter?

Hairybuds

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I make a slurry of decarbed buds and grind them into dust in an old coffee grinder.

I mix this with a little liquid lecithin and coconut oil. Sometimes I add terpenes as well.

After warming it up and stirring it gets liquid enough to suck into a plastic pipette. I cut the tip back to open the hole, because depending on dose it can get thick. This is also why you grind decarbed buds into flower. The finer the grind the better the mix.

I use size 00 gel caps. Each one holds .91ml. I use a graduated beaker to measure milliliters. You need a little high school math and if you can estimate the buds in % of cannabinoids you can then get a reasonable estimate of strength per capsule.

I have 12 varieties in my freezer right now, lol. It's the best I've found to replicate smoking/vaping in an edible without any weed taste, well other than the odd burp.

Bad news is coconut oil will become liquid over 76F, so it's its best to store in a cool place.
I really like the above, your getting all the plant and it’s effects. With a decarb in the Sous vide and pouch or mason jar and instant pot this retains all its goodness and made into a slurry nothing is wasted, pure as it can be.

I also like they can be stored in freezer for a really long time. I’ve been wondering how to move forward on this, it seems clear now.

First run is to calculate the mg per volume, take that volume see the effects and reduce potency by adding more oil or if it needs more potency add more slurried decarbed bud
 

Hairybuds

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I make a slurry of decarbed buds and grind them into dust in an old coffee grinder.

I mix this with a little liquid lecithin and coconut oil. Sometimes I add terpenes as well.

After warming it up and stirring it gets liquid enough to suck into a plastic pipette. I cut the tip back to open the hole, because depending on dose it can get thick. This is also why you grind decarbed buds into flower. The finer the grind the better the mix.

I use size 00 gel caps. Each one holds .91ml. I use a graduated beaker to measure milliliters. You need a little high school math and if you can estimate the buds in % of cannabinoids you can then get a reasonable estimate of strength per capsule.

I have 12 varieties in my freezer right now, lol. It's the best I've found to replicate smoking/vaping in an edible without any weed taste, well other than the odd burp.

Bad news is coconut oil will become liquid over 76F, so it's its best to store in a cool place.
What do you start with for grams of flower per ml of oil? What are you shooting for in mg per capsule?
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I make a slurry of decarbed buds and grind them into dust in an old coffee grinder.

I mix this with a little liquid lecithin and coconut oil. Sometimes I add terpenes as well.

After warming it up and stirring it gets liquid enough to suck into a plastic pipette. I cut the tip back to open the hole, because depending on dose it can get thick. This is also why you grind decarbed buds into flower. The finer the grind the better the mix.

I use size 00 gel caps. Each one holds .91ml. I use a graduated beaker to measure milliliters. You need a little high school math and if you can estimate the buds in % of cannabinoids you can then get a reasonable estimate of strength per capsule.

I have 12 varieties in my freezer right now, lol. It's the best I've found to replicate smoking/vaping in an edible without any weed taste, well other than the odd burp.

Bad news is coconut oil will become liquid over 76F, so it's its best to store in a cool place.
Yeah, this is on my plate to try one of these minutes.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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Last night's ingestion of a 1.5"x1.5" square of Frootie Treatᵀᴹ induced a strong high including dizzy spells, body effects, etc. So...too strong for general use at this point. On to the next 'bake'. ;)
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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Any ideas on what the lowest effective temperature is to strip the THC from decarbed cannabis into butter? I know that all the guidance says don't go over 200f degrees, but what is the bottom of the range where the fats in the butter will take on the THC molecules? Going to do another round this weekend, and as always looking to see what's most effective.

I'll be decarbing in Sous Vide again ~200F (for 2 hours) then doing the butter in a similar fashion. Last time I did 185F per what others have done, but what would be an effective temp/time to infuse to not break the chemistry down as little as possible?

I've been looking at the option of doing the decarb in butter, but I see a lot of people saying that this doesn't really work.
 

shredder4

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I've read 200-220° F for infusing. I think thats inline with the magic butter machine as well.

But I don't know how low you can go to infuse. I'd guess you can go lower than 190 if you increase the time.

One of my coffee warmers I've used for infusing small amounts floats between 190-210°F and seems to work OK.

For bigger amounts I use a Nova fx.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I've read 200-220° F for infusing. I think thats inline with the magic butter machine as well.

But I don't know how low you can go to infuse. I'd guess you can go lower than 190 if you increase the time.

One of my coffee warmers I've used for infusing small amounts floats between 190-210°F and seems to work OK.

For bigger amounts I use a Nova fx.
Cool. I mean, I can go up to 208F with SV, but working to decarb correctly then also infuse effectively. Last week when I did this, I decarbed at 200F for 2 hours then did the butter at 185F for 4 hours and the suggestion here is that it may have broken down the THC a bit. So I'm looking to do it again but tighten up what I do so that's not as much of a possibility. Decarbing directly in the butter seems to be a thing that many suggest against, so that's probably a no-go.
 

craggin

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This is great thread. Never thought about using a Sous Vide! Like @cindysid, I just spread it all out on cookie sheets & into the oven for decarb.

I stopped grinding my trim & popcorn a while back. Like others have already said, less green, less objectionable taste/smell, and easily able to get the same potency by upping the ratio between cannabis & butter/oil. I've also moved almost entirely to coconut oil over butter.
 

Hairybuds

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Cool. I mean, I can go up to 208F with SV, but working to decarb correctly then also infuse effectively. Last week when I did this, I decarbed at 200F for 2 hours then did the butter at 185F for 4 hours and the suggestion here is that it may have broken down the THC a bit. So I'm looking to do it again but tighten up what I do so that's not as much of a possibility. Decarbing directly in the butter seems to be a thing that many suggest against, so that's probably a no-go.
I’d be real interested in your results. I read on grow weed easy they infused for 3 hours at slow cooker temps.

From the picture in this thread of test results on slow cooker it looks like at those temps it only needs about 90-120 minutes

I turned on the slow cooker with just water, it took almost 3 hours to get up to temp of about 195, that may make a big difference with that method. Pre heating is probably really important with a slow cooker.

It seems to me if you take your Decarb time and add the infusion time these two are your total “decarb” time
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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This is great thread. Never thought about using a Sous Vide! Like @cindysid, I just spread it all out on cookie sheets & into the oven for decarb.

I stopped grinding my trim & popcorn a while back. Like others have already said, less green, less objectionable taste/smell, and easily able to get the same potency by upping the ratio between cannabis & butter/oil. I've also moved almost entirely to coconut oil over butter.
Thanks! Here's how 'not green' the butter I made last week was. So not green that I worried about the process not working correctly until I tried it.

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Super mild flavor too. I could just get the flavor profile mildly when I tried it by itself, but once I made the treats with it, you'd have no idea.

I've played with coconut oil too (also sunflower lecithin), for some of my honey, but honestly need to get different coconut oil since the 'virgin' oil I bought is super strong coconut flavor.

I think I'm also going to try a run with doubling the amount of cannabis then halving whatever I use in the recipe, that should further lower any cannaflavor profile.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I’d be real interested in your results. I read on grow weed easy they infused for 3 hours at slow cooker temps.

From the picture in this thread of test results on slow cooker it looks like at those temps it only needs about 90-120 minutes

I turned on the slow cooker with just water, it took almost 3 hours to get up to temp of about 195, that may make a big difference with that method. Pre heating is probably really important with a slow cooker.

It seems to me if you take your Decarb time and add the infusion time these two are your total “decarb” time
Well that chart...First off it's made by Ardent, who is actually a good company and I have no qualms with, but they're trying to sell stand alone decarb units and this is part of their 'kit' to do that. So, while I don't know that I'd take it at 100% accuracy. That said, one of these days I'll get one anyway.

I think the other piece you have to take is that crockpots are not precise instruments. I used one for some of my honey infusions and found that the temps on them range from well below the suggested 190F to over the boiling point. I ran a digital thermometer in the water and watched it across the hours I ran things. The thermostats on most crockpots are not precise and they do a heat-then-cool cycle that has something like 30-40F degrees of variance, I'd guess. That all aside, yeah, not worth putting your stuff in the water bath and starting the timer until you're up to temp.

That's the difference with sous vide...the temp accuracy and stability of the unit I have is plus/minus .2f and its constantly adjusting to hit the right number.

So the effective decarb time at 200F sous vide is 2 hours. Pretty much all recipes (and incidental online commentary) say that you need to decarb first before butter infusion. Then the common number that I see most is to infuse the butter for 4 hours, making a total of 6 hours. Trying to figure out how to get the most activation and infusion in the smallest time footprint.

Hey @cindysid, do you find that half an hour of infusion time is enough to feel like you're at full potency? So that maybe, I could do something like 2 hours of decarb then 30 minutes of infusion, or maybe try something like an hour to partially decarb then an hour of decarb/infusion?
 

Hairybuds

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I've kinda been experimenting with grind vs hands on. I make capsules with coconut oil and just did a batch of ground (food processor) vs finger grind and found the end result quite different. Here's simple finger grindView attachment 5064220
And the processed
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both had same amount of bud&oil added. Darker ones are much stronger, in taste also. Have you tried any flavor additives? Im going to try some next time. Also do you add Lecithin? Helps emulsion & digestion :joint:
@SBBCal did you find a difference in effect between the finger and processed caps?
 

shredder4

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Well that chart...First off it's made by Ardent, who is actually a good company and I have no qualms with, but they're trying to sell stand alone decarb units and this is part of their 'kit' to do that. So, while I don't know that I'd take it at 100% accuracy. That said, one of these days I'll get one anyway.
I'm sure their testing results are valid. And their site is pretty educational, even if biased towards their products.

So that maybe, I could do something like 2 hours of decarb then 30 minutes of infusion, or maybe try something like an hour to partially decarb then an hour of decarb/infusion?
Somewhere on their site they mention you don't need the full time for infusion. But I think 30 minutes would be a minimum.

Infusing concentrates is so much easier, it's just mixing and stirring under gentle heat. Other than our weed caps, the rest of our edibles are from concentrates.
 

Hairybuds

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I'm sure their testing results are valid. And their site is pretty educational, even if biased towards their products.



Somewhere on their site they mention you don't need the full time for infusion. But I think 30 minutes would be a minimum.

Infusing concentrates is so much easier, it's just mixing and stirring under gentle heat. Other than our weed caps, the rest of our edibles are from concentrates.
I agree, it seems valid, pretty good even if I’m losing 20% from decarbing it by Sous vide, slow cooker, pressure cooker, etc I’m so happy to be able to grow and consume my own medicine and not have to be subjected to big pharma’s prices and side effects
 
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